Question for those Left of center and those in the Center.

[Deleted member 110072]

That's entirely different...

Growing up in poverty, or busting your ass just to barely make ends meet, or seeing your kids go hungry because you can barely provide for them is one thing...
I can feel empathy for someone in that regard...

The new left...especially wpem is completely different

Is this really "left" though? to me left wing would be defined by socialist politics not by social liberalism.

The democrats over the last 30 years have I would say clearly moved to the right here and whilst I broadly support social liberialism I think its very often used as a mask for this and a political weapon.

With the latter of course we see the massive effect allegations can have, honestly wouldn't be supprised if they were true but equally I suspect were the same kind of thing going on with a democrate allied politican/judge it would be much less likely to come out, unless of course they were viewed as actually being on the left like Sanders who it would be used to attack as well.

Really I think the defining feature of modern social liberalism is that it looks to take economics out of the argument as much as it possible can dispite there being arguably the unifying issue behind most social disadvantage. I mean its pretty obvious why isn't it? if your a politican or media body in the pockets of wall street and other wealthy interests your not going to push for economic change that might damage these interests.

The end result if you have situations were comfortably well off people are telling poorly off people to "check in their privilege" based on race, gender or sexuality dispite the former obviously being more privileged than the latter. This was IMHO a big driver in Trumps success, I mean yeah the democrats still got more of the less well off vote but Trump did far better here than previous recent republicans and I think a lot of that was a "fuck you" to the above, the more Trump shifted things towards social issues the bigger the hole the democrats dug for themselves.

 

[jamel]

Aint decided yet.

I aint gonna be petty with my vote tho.
Dont really give a fuck about metoo cause I have been married for 16 years, tho part of me knows I should since I am a Personal Trainer. Only a matter of time before some hoof footed heffer tries it.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

Please watch the exchange starting at 2:00, and tell me why I should believe a man who answers questions in that manner when under oath.

She's trying to negate his testimony by implying he was too drunk to remember. Sounds like more hearsay to me.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

Kavanaugh got "#meetoo'd" because he's a piece of shit human being and likely a rapist.

He was never even accused of rape. He was accused of "sexual assault", an umbrella term designed to catch any unwanted sexual advance regardless of its magnitude while implying the worst. Get your facts straight before slandering an honest man.

 

[Prutfis]

Never cared for politics but the far left is scary and I don't see moderate leftists try to distance themselves from the crazies. That alone made me slide to the right.

Do right wingers have to distance themselves from every crazy Nazi out there on a daily basis? No? Then why does a left leaning voter have to distance themselves from all sorts of crazy at their end of the spectrum when the president himself can´t even fucking do it? Seems rather retarded.
Fine people on both sides - Orangus Donaldus Retardus

 

[MikeMcMann]

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The far right hold absolutely no power.

Just because you call people "far right", that doesn't make them so.

God you guys are such victim whores. Oh the poor far right holds no power... oh wait... except the groups they support and vote for, The Republicans, Control the House, The Senate, The Presidency and the Courts. So ya no power except that right? oh poor far right if only they had some power. lol.

You are a clown and joke as you seem to not realize that saying they hold the power means the group they SUPPORT has all the power. No one making the comment I made means Bob of Fred specifically on the far right hold the power. Don't be more stupid than you are. It means the group they support holds all the power. But keep crying as if a victim.

 

[MikeMcMann]

This has to be one of the best posts I have read in a while. They are rare, the ones where I agree with the full content. Oneliners are excluded.

Bravo Sir!

What do you think of Trump being more comfortable with dictators and not leaders like May and Merkel? On the global scene I think it´s alarming to see total dictators such as the one in China and Saudi Arabia having open work-out outside their borders without the rest of the world condoing their actions. Is it soley becuase it´s all economical and the consequense would be to great? I think this is a bad trend where you get more and more suspect leaders that don´t give a damn what the rest of the world has to say.

How big portion of US population would you say is the far left? From my knowledge they are not that many, but how has it come so far where they choke their own camp that aren´t extreme enough?

Trump is clearly more comfortable with absolute rulers. He seems to admire that the have no checks and balances and ultimately what they say and do simply goes. It is pretty clear he assumed he would have a version of that once he took over the White House and when he called all the various heads in to swear fealty and kiss the ring. Thankfully the US Institutions did not all fold and fall in line, which could have happened.

You can see how uncomfortable Trump is with the leaders of Ally countries. The type who are held accountable by their constituencies and as such would expect a certain decorum, accountability and behaviour from each other.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I guess you're too stupid to understand that your graphs dont even refute my comment. Nice try retard.

The last part of your comment clearly suggests that Asian immigration is only tolerated because Asians will "vote left." This is obviously a part of the old idea that Democrats want immigrants because they need their votes.

The graphs illustrate that Democrats were doing just fine when Asians and Latinos formed a small part of the electorate. How is that not a refutation of your comment?

 

[zebby23]

With the Democrats going even farther Left, the unfounded rape accusations of Kavanaugh, and doubling down on #MeToo, fighting the patriarchy, LGBTQ+agenda, fighting white privilege. Even actions of Leftist protestors lately. How is this got you thinking about your votes in November? Does all this concern you and will it possibly impact your vote?

No even though I hate antifa, think Kavanaugh was guilty as hell, like me too I will always vote Democrat. They are FAR less destructive to the country then right wingers

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

As someone generally in the centre, centre/right on this forum...

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[weed]

I may as well use this thread to display why I think the following WR posters vote Democrat:

Jack V Savage: Has health issues that he never actually talks about. This is why he is the way he is as a poster. He is against anything that is not socialist in nature and practice. My personal opinion is that Jack has vision problems - he might be legally blind.

Overpressure (different name now?): Exactly the same as Jack V Savage except the health issues are different.

Homer Thompson: Has Iranian ties (Persian and/or Ottoman Empire supremacy). Opposes the state of Israel.

Strychnine: Has experienced racism in his lifetime. Most likely has a large community that he's a part of that is pro-Democrat. Felt empowerment by the Obama presidency.

Fawlty: Probably is a part of a liberal progressive community. Perhaps has a progressive mother. Probably has dated and may be married to a progressive woman. Probably mostly watches CNN and other leftist MSM. Somewhat centrist in some things, still Democrat leaning.

Rational Poster: Likely is part of a mostly non-white community, a number of which are Muslim. Regularly hears their side of the story on world and politics. Also watches mostly CNN and other Democrat news channels.

Luckyshot: Similar to Rational Poster.

ultramanhyata: Latino socialist who watches mostly CNN and other left-wing MSM.

7437: Similar to Homer Thompson

Quipling: Muslim lawyer, similar beliefs when it comes to an Israeli state. Quite centrist but Democrat leanings nonetheless.

Trotsky: Communist, left-coast law school.

44nutman: similar background to Strychnine

sabretruth: similar situation to Fawlty and Rational Poster

Peteyandjia: believes the leftist climate change alarmists profiting off of the global warming propaganda?

Mostly as it relates to Peteyandjia

Spoiler

splendica, aka In the name of, also known as Jihad Joe (still denies and claims to be a brand new user to this day, but his shitpost style tells us otherwise).


just another foreigner too invested & caught up with the politics of the US. notoriously racist/prejudice, although he'll vehemently deny it - but keep at it & he'll unleash his inner bigot due to his emotional & erratic nature. tries real hard to paint himself as a conservative, & even worse, as a devout Christian (which he most certainly is not). he's a Canadian who is loyal to Israel & approves of all the atrocities committed against the Palestinians, past present & future. watch out though, call him out on his blatant lies & he'll report you (always gives me a good chuckle).

final assessment: truthfully, I think he's just a socially inept & emotionally unstable loner with major anger issues. he's demonstrated & shared as much over the years, and aligns himself with some extreme views of the "hard right" because they align with his bigoted nature.

 

[MikeMcMann]

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You can laugh all you want but what you cannot do is post intelligently.

if you look back at my posting history in the War room almost all of my history has me fighting tooth and nail with @Jack V Savage , @Trotsky , and @HomerThompson who I think will all be happy to tell you that outside the Trump issues they see me as part of the Right.

But I do get in arguments here with a few on the Right as I am a small C Conservative and generally against organized religions and the new Trump Conservatives are all about massive spending, huge gov't and bringing religion into politics and to their supporters (like you) if you question any of it (anything at all Trump does) then they will mock you as not a conservative. They require a hive mind to be part of the club.

I have offices in Toronto and Edmonton AB, and Toronto generally leans very Left politics wise and when I am in that office I am often called a Rednick Alberta Conservative, and when I am in the Edmonton Alberta Office (the Province tends to be very Right and Conservative), I am called a Toronto Beatnick Hippy.

So Ya I am pretty comfortable that i am a centrist, who leans right both in posting and in reality.

 

[Jack V Savage]

splendica, aka In the name of, also known as Jihad Joe (still denies and claims to be a brand new user to this day, but his shitpost style tells us otherwise).


just another foreigner too invested & caught up with the politics of the US. notoriously racist/prejudice, although he'll vehemently deny it - but keep at it & he'll unleash his inner bigot due to his emotional & erratic nature. tries real hard to paint himself as a conservative, & even worse, as a devout Christian (which he most certainly is not). he's a Canadian who is loyal to Israel & approves of all the atrocities committed against the Palestinians, past present & future. watch out though, call him out on his blatant lies & he'll report you (always gives me a good chuckle).

final assessment: truthfully, I think he's just a socially inept & emotionally unstable loner with major anger issues. he's demonstrated & shared as much over the years, and aligns himself with some extreme views of the "hard right" because they align with his bigoted nature.

He also thinks that Frank Mir is the second-best HW in MMA history. That says it all.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Trump is clearly more comfortable with absolute rulers. He seems to admire that the have no checks and balances and ultimately what they say and do simply goes. It is pretty clear he assumed he would have a version of that once he took over the White House and when he called all the various heads in to swear fealty and kiss the ring. Thankfully the US Institutions did not all fold and fall in line, which could have happened.

You can see how uncomfortable Trump is with the leaders of Ally countries. The type who are held accountable by their constituencies and as such would expect a certain decorum, accountability and behaviour from each other.

A big factor with Trump I would say is that he's set himself up in opposition to political correctness, the majority of western leaders still follow it thus can't be seen to be too supportive of him even if their actual policy aims are similar.

 

[gassius_clay]

The last part of your comment clearly suggests that Asian immigration is only tolerated because Asians will "vote left." This is obviously a part of the old idea that Democrats want immigrants because they need their votes.

The graphs illustrate that Democrats were doing just fine when Asians and Latinos formed a small part of the electorate. How is that not a refutation of your comment?

Current day left-wingers aren't tolerant with anyone that isn't with them. Graphs of 50+ year old election results don't change that.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Current day left-wingers aren't tolerant with anyone that isn't with them. Graphs of 50+ year old election results don't change that.

the bulk of the Left wing is not with the more extreme parts of the Party.

you cannot say that about the Right, currently as there is no room for those in the party who are not down with Trumps extreme partisan positions. Everyone tows the line, or else.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

You can laugh all you want but what you cannot do is post intelligently.

if you look back at my posting history in the War room almost all of my history has me fighting tooth and nail with @Jack V Savage , @Trotsky , and @HomerThompson who I think will all be happy to tell you that outside the Trump issues they see me as part of the Right.

But I do get in arguments here with a few on the Right as I am a small C Conservative and generally against organized religions and the new Trump Conservatives are all about massive spending, huge gov't and bringing religion into politics and to their supporters (like you) if you question any of it (anything at all Trump does) then they will mock you as not a conservative. They require a hive mind to be part of the club.

I have offices in Toronto and Edmonton AB, and Toronto generally leans very Left politics wise and when I am in that office I am often called a Rednick Alberta Conservative, and when I am in the Edmonton Alberta Office (the Province tends to be very Right and Conservative), I am called a Toronto Beatnick Hippy.

So Ya I am pretty comfortable that i am a centrist, who leans right both in posting and in reality.

Beatnik Redneck scum.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Current day left-wingers aren't tolerant with anyone that isn't with them. Graphs of 50+ year old election results don't change that.

WTF does tolerance have to do with your original argument? You were suggesting that Democrats embrace immigrants for the votes, I showed that they weren't exactly hungry for votes because they were winning plenty of elections.

Just go back name calling and put-downs. Like every mouth-breathing right-winger, you have no arguments.

 

[gassius_clay]

WTF does tolerance have to do with your original argument? You were suggesting that Democrats embrace immigrants for the votes, I showed that they weren't exactly hungry for votes because they were winning plenty of elections.

Just go back name calling and put-downs. Like every mouth-breathing right-winger, you have no arguments.

First, you started the name calling: "idiotic"

Second, I don't care what happened over 50 years ago. The democratic party isn't even what it was 10 years ago.

Third, all you showed was democrats were able to win some elections way back when. It doesn't demonstrate anything with regards to policy towards those that don't vote for them (which was my statement).

 

[splendica]

He also thinks that Frank Mir is the second-best HW in MMA history. That says it all.

You don't think as of 2018 Frank Mir is the 2nd best HW in UFC history? Lol JVS.

I don't think Frank Mir is the 2nd best HW in UFC history.

*edit - maybe Frank Mir is the 2nd best HW in UFC history. I'd have to think about that, would take some time.