Question for those Left of center and those in the Center.

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That doesn't mean the far right has power. How are you this dumb?



Actually, they don't. As with the President, they have the least worst option. In reality, if the far right could choose exactly who they wanted, Trump wouldn't even break into the top 1000. The far right would choose ACTUAL far right-wingers. You even admitted Trump isn't far right, or even right-wing. So what are you arguing about again? Oh that's right... absolutely NOTHING. You just don't want to concede you're wrong.



The far right has no power. You're just repeating yourself now. lol
Sorry but they do have power. They have power in the way those words are used with regards to the Left or the Right. That does not mean Steve on the far right is President himself as you seem to think means he has power. In partisan politics when the people and parties you support have power that is referred to your partisan side as having power.

The far right has the President, the Senate, The Congress, The Supreme Court and the District courts. That is power and yet guys like you cry constantly that no you don't have power and that is because you are whiny bitches.
 
One could say the same thing about the cultural revolution of the 60s, that the left whittled away at the building blocks of society . But in the end America emerged a better place, though those on the Alt-Right would disagree.

"Better place" is certainly a matter of opinion, and giving the New Left credit for that seems rather a stretch as well. Globalism, economic prosperity, and the last trappings of liberalism, and old Liberals (Upton Sinclair, Mills style "L") seem to be much more obviously causes to champion for the improvements of society. (We could go through the New Left's radical views and ideology step by step to see what they have "done" and wish to do to America, I would be up for this, but hey, we might admit that would be rather depressing.)

The New Left's ideas and interests are all about destruction, and when put into place, the record for society and culture tends to range from terrible to authoritarian and terrible.

As well, if we were to adopt the thesis the New Left has improved upon America, their ideas, concepts, and means to attain them push the revolution so far as to destroy what little identity most have left and replace it with something ever darker.
 
With the Democrats going even farther Left, the unfounded rape accusations of Kavanaugh, and doubling down on #MeToo, fighting the patriarchy, LGBTQ+agenda, fighting white privilege. Even actions of Leftist protestors lately. How is this got you thinking about your votes in November? Does all this concern you and will it possibly impact your vote?

As a left of center democrat:

Democrats aren't particularly left at all; you are so far extremist hyperpartisan fanatic right wing you lost all perspective.
The rape allegations of Kavenaugh are not unfounded. They are 100% true.
Doubling down on #metoo is fine
Fighting the patriarchy?

I would say you have mental problems but you are deliberately spreading misinformation which makes you evil.
 
As a left of center democrat:

Democrats aren't particularly left at all; you are so far extremist hyperpartisan fanatic right wing you lost all perspective.
The rape allegations of Kavenaugh are not unfounded. They are 100% true.
Doubling down on #metoo is fine
Fighting the patriarchy?

I would say you have mental problems but you are deliberately spreading misinformation which makes you evil.

No I need evidence against Kavanaugh not just allegations. I want due process and presumption of innocence until proven guilty. I don’t want a mob of left wing harpies destroying political opponents.

“Democrats aren’t particularly left at all”

BWHAHA

Which is why Democrats had a socialist as a runner up to challenge trump for the PRESIDENCY.

Which is why support for “democratic” socialism is growing in the Democratic Party. Hahaha
 
No I need evidence against Kavanaugh not just allegations. I want due process and presumption of innocence until proven guilty. I don’t want a mob of left wing harpies destroying political opponents.

“Democrats aren’t particularly left at all”

BWHAHA

Which is why Democrats had a socialist as a runner up to challenge trump for the PRESIDENCY.

Which is why support for “democratic” socialism is growing in the Democratic Party. Hahaha

Childish. and too stupid to even talk to.
 
"Better place" is certainly a matter of opinion, and giving the New Left credit for that seems rather a stretch as well. Globalism, economic prosperity, and the last trappings of liberalism, and old Liberals (Upton Sinclair, Mills style "L") seem to be much more obviously causes to champion for the improvements of society. (We could go through the New Left's radical views and ideology step by step to see what they have "done" and wish to do to America, I would be up for this, but hey, we might admit that would be rather depressing.)

The New Left's ideas and interests are all about destruction, and when put into place, the record for society and culture tends to range from terrible to authoritarian and terrible.

As well, if we were to adopt the thesis the New Left has improved upon America, their ideas, concepts, and means to attain them push the revolution so far as to destroy what little identity most have left and replace it with something ever darker.
"New Left" is just a term, doesn't mean it is a distinctly different entity from the liberals who championed Civil Rights. The liberals now are just a continuation of the progressive ideals that came to fore in the 60s. They support and fight for the same causes: Gay rights, Feminism, opposition to patriarchy, racial justice , environmental rights etc..But as with any movement, things change over time , new ideals form.

Some Liberals who supported more rights for women and Blacks pre WW2 might have thought that the liberal ideals being pushed in the 60s were going too far, just as you are now thinking the liberal ideals being pushed now is going too far while the liberalism of the 60s was ok.

I don't agree with everything today's liberals champion, notably their defense of Islam , Islamic chauvinism and their opposition to Free Speech and their insistence that gender can be chosen rather than determined by biology. But I agree with some other liberal ideals.

What is the destruction you are alluding to?
 
"New Left" is just a term, doesn't mean it is a distinctly different entity from the liberals who championed Civil Rights. The liberals now are just a continuation of the progressive ideals that came to fore in the 60s. They support and fight for the same causes: Gay rights, Feminism, opposition to patriarchy, racial justice , environmental rights etc..But as with any movement, things change over time , new ideals form.

Some Liberals who supported more rights for women and Blacks pre WW2 might have thought that the liberal ideals being pushed in the 60s were going too far, just as you are now thinking the liberal ideals being pushed now is going too far while the liberalism of the 60s was ok.

I don't agree with everything today's liberals champion, notably their defense of Islam , Islamic chauvinism and their opposition to Free Speech and their insistence that gender can be chosen rather than determined by biology. But I agree with some other liberal ideals.

What is the destruction you are alluding to?

It is certainly different, as one was adherent to one ideology, and the other interested in another ideology.

The sea-change from "I have a Dream" of a color blind society, to "Systematic Racism" is not only objectively obvious, but planted, rooted, and grown in distinctive movements with differing ends.

The classical American Left and New Left radicalism/Marxism are also not only obviously different in their creation, writing, philosophers, rhetoric, and in terms of Old Left principles/ New Left "ends justify the means" conflict.

In thought and action they are shouting "we are separate!" until it is time for an election and a coalition is needed, then most vote for whatever idea the left of the day supports today.

Why mention today? Because in the Democratic Convention of 1968 the fault lines meant something more, now hegemony and the overreaching (in my opinion) plod of the New Left has swallowed all but the remnants of more Conservative, moderate left. (Not to worry, the Tea Party started that on the right, and Trumpism may have finished it.)

You are saying that riding that strain if ideology when appropriate affords credit to the ideology, I think that's tacitly untrue friend when looking into history, like saying Pat Buchanan's jingoism or Trump's current Nationalism should be given credit for traditional Conservatism, or further out on the political lines that a Maoist who rides to power on the coattails of democratic socialism should be assigned credit . If you have a different opinion, I'll certainly read it.




After that point though, our discussion will fall apart - as you tend to support the modern left's cultural and social changes, and I am opposed to them. We will not be able to agree there and any argument would be too large to contain.

You would argue: "Potato!"

And I would argue: "Cabbage!" then would be reduced to debating what vegetables offer in terms of nutrition and for people's health. As all politics ends up in the greater spectrum.
 
Sorry but they do have power.

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They have power in the way those words are used with regards to the Left or the Right.

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That does not mean Steve on the far right is President himself as you seem to think means he has power. In partisan politics when the people and parties you support have power that is referred to your partisan side as having power.

The far right are not in power, therefore they have no power. Very simple to understand.

The far right has the President, the Senate, The Congress, The Supreme Court and the District courts.

No they don't. LOL

That is power and yet guys like you cry constantly that no you don't have power and that is because you are whiny bitches.

It's the left who are constantly whining, just like you're doing now. Stop projecting your whininess onto others.
 
Not american, but i am liberal. I see the vote going red in november and trump winning 2020 unless he gets charged over russia.
 
The far right are not in power, therefore they have no power. Very simple to understand.



No they don't. LOL



It's the left who are constantly whining, just like you're doing now. Stop projecting your whininess onto others.
yes they do if words have any meaning.

Unless your view is only the politicians themselves have power and those who support them Dem's or Repub's never do as they are not the elected officials, your position is stupid.

If I am part of the group of Dem supporters and we manage to get elected the POTUS, take the Senate and the House and get the Supreme Courts and State Courts that is the Dem's getting the power. That is exactly what the extreme got. They got everything they wanted in terms of who is in at each level. And yes you, YOU, are proof of how they do nothing but cry about a lack of power even when they have it all.

I love how you say I am whining by pointing out your whining. Oh those poor guys on the right have no power. LMFAO.
 
yes they do if words have any meaning.

Unless your view is only the politicians themselves have power and those who support them Dem's or Repub's never do as they are not the elected officials, your position is stupid.

If I am part of the group of Dem supporters and we manage to get elected the POTUS, take the Senate and the House and get the Supreme Courts and State Courts that is the Dem's getting the power. That is exactly what the extreme got. They got everything they wanted in terms of who is in at each level. And yes you, YOU, are proof of how they do nothing but cry about a lack of power even when they have it all.

I love how you say I am whining by pointing out your whining. Oh those poor guys on the right have no power. LMFAO.

When you constantly use the terms 'right' and 'far right' interchangeably, you expose how deceitful... or stupid you are. Which is it?

The far right has no power because no one who shares their fundamental positions are in power. Trump's administration isn't even right-wing. This means your argument... is invalid. Now stop humiliating yourself.
 
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