Question for those Left of center and those in the Center.

[Amerikuracana]

Is this really "left" though? to me left wing would be defined by socialist politics not by social liberalism.

The democrats over the last 30 years have I would say clearly moved to the right here and whilst I broadly support social liberialism I think its very often used as a mask for this and a political weapon.

With the latter of course we see the massive effect allegations can have, honestly wouldn't be supprised if they were true but equally I suspect were the same kind of thing going on with a democrate allied politican/judge it would be much less likely to come out, unless of course they were viewed as actually being on the left like Sanders who it would be used to attack as well.

Really I think the defining feature of modern social liberalism is that it looks to take economics out of the argument as much as it possible can dispite there being arguably the unifying issue behind most social disadvantage. I mean its pretty obvious why isn't it? if your a politican or media body in the pockets of wall street and other wealthy interests your not going to push for economic change that might damage these interests.

The end result if you have situations were comfortably well off people are telling poorly off people to "check in their privilege" based on race, gender or sexuality dispite the former obviously being more privileged than the latter. This was IMHO a big driver in Trumps success, I mean yeah the democrats still got more of the less well off vote but Trump did far better here than previous recent republicans and I think a lot of that was a "fuck you" to the above, the more Trump shifted things towards social issues the bigger the hole the democrats dug for themselves.

Nope. At the current time, with things socially as far left as they are, and for-profit medicine having not only failed st it's good purpose, but committed the poisoning of America for profit, wanting some government regulation over certain industries is not as insane as a desire to push further socially left.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You don't think as of 2018 Frank Mir is the 2nd best HW in UFC history? Lol JVS.

I don't think Frank Mir is the 2nd best HW in UFC history.

You're not In the name of?

 

[Amerikuracana]

You can laugh all you want but what you cannot do is post
intelligently.

if you look back at my posting history in the War room almost all of my history has me fighting tooth and nail with @Jack V Savage , @Trotsky , and @HomerThompson who I think will all be happy to tell you that outside the Trump issues they see me as part of the Right.

But I do get in arguments here with a few on the Right as I am a small C Conservative and generally against organized religions and the new Trump Conservatives are all about massive spending, huge gov't and bringing religion into politics and to their supporters (like you) if you question any of it (anything at all Trump does) then they will mock you as not a conservative. They require a hive mind to be part of the club.

I have offices in Toronto and Edmonton AB, and Toronto generally leans very Left politics wise and when I am in that office I am often called a Rednick Alberta Conservative, and when I am in the Edmonton Alberta Office (the Province tends to be very Right and Conservative), I am called a Toronto Beatnick Hippy.

So Ya I am pretty comfortable that i am a centrist, who leans right both in posting and in reality.

You have it backwards. Trump won by stealing ondepenfasmt Obama voters. It was Romney voters and your old fashioned fox news establishment conservative that would want religion to replace science, in science class. Trump voter is more "we wasted money on places that got worse and hated us, ee made China a superpower and screwed our own economy for long enough, and enough of the far left white male bashing. That's about it.

You kind of have it backwards.

 

[sweede]

You can laugh all you want but what you cannot do is post intelligently.

if you look back at my posting history in the War room almost all of my history has me fighting tooth and nail with @Jack V Savage , @Trotsky , and @HomerThompson who I think will all be happy to tell you that outside the Trump issues they see me as part of the Right.

But I do get in arguments here with a few on the Right as I am a small C Conservative and generally against organized religions and the new Trump Conservatives are all about massive spending, huge gov't and bringing religion into politics and to their supporters (like you) if you question any of it (anything at all Trump does) then they will mock you as not a conservative. They require a hive mind to be part of the club.

I have offices in Toronto and Edmonton AB, and Toronto generally leans very Left politics wise and when I am in that office I am often called a Rednick Alberta Conservative, and when I am in the Edmonton Alberta Office (the Province tends to be very Right and Conservative), I am called a Toronto Beatnick Hippy.

So Ya I am pretty comfortable that i am a centrist, who leans right both in posting and in reality.

Beatnick Hippy. LOL. I don´t even know what it means to be one, but it sure sounds funny.

I was not aware you were a conservative leaning on to the right. A further proof of that one can like another persons post from the other side. The thing I really don´t get is the definitely placement by some posters on this site that don´t know the meaning of compromising. It´s frustrating to know that if you really would like to talk deep with one who is far away from my own mindset, I know I will lose that battle, cause they will only read what they are writing. And in my case I have always had difficult time talking to hard core religious people from the far right.

To observe posters such as Ripskater is like watching a person who could be a ultra in any kind of religion. I am now quite convinced he is making this gimmick of being polite, to the point he is mocking others for not being offended if someone is using foul language against him. I would say he is the poster who is the most radical on this site, and his desire to be viewed as some sort of wise non-violent generation person with good christian values is by striking in his posts. And this makes him dangerous in my honest opinion.

 

[splendica]

See my edit on the page 11 post.

Maybe Mir is the 2nd best HW in UFC history? Would have to spend some time on that one. Maybe he's the best even. Maybe in the 3-5 zone. Interesting question though.

 

[MikeMcMann]

You have it backwards. Trump won by stealing ondepenfasmt Obama voters. It was Romney voters and your old fashioned fox news establishment conservative that would want religion to replace science, in science class. Trump voter is more "we wasted money on places that got worse and hated us, ee made China a superpower and screwed our own economy for long enough, and enough of the far left white male bashing. That's about it.

You kind of have it backwards.

Trump won by pandering to the extreme far right identity politics while also representing the 'non-establishment' candidate which Hillary expelified and many people rightly want no part of.

Trump has proved to be, post election, the worst kind of establishment leader (all about Rich, Corporations and giant deficits) while still pandering to and lying to the far right base who only require lip service and a belief that someone is fighting their war.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Beatnick Hippy. LOL. I don´t even know what it means to be one, but it sure sounds funny.

I was not aware you were a conservative leaning on to the right. A further proof of that one can like another persons post from the other side. The thing I really don´t get is the definitely placement by some posters on this site that don´t know the meaning of compromising. It´s frustrating to know that if you really would like to talk deep with one who is far away from my own mindset, I know I will lose that battle, cause they will only read what they are writing. And in my case I have always had difficult time talking to hard core religious people from the far right.

To observe posters such as Ripskater is like watching a person who could be a ultra in any kind of religion. I am now quite convinced he is making this gimmick of being polite, to the point he is mocking others for not being offended if someone is using foul language against him. I would say he is the poster who is the most radical on this site, and his desire to be viewed as some sort of wise non-violent generation person with good christian values is by striking in his posts. And this makes him dangerous in my honest opinion.

Ya I would say generally my view aligns far more with @IngaVovchanchyn than those I see as on the Left I mentioned prior. I do however strongly depart from Inga on the Trump topic where we rarely agree and where I have been disappointed as I think she has (my view) embraced the partisan battle more than the actual arguments.

And understand I am a right leaning Canadian which means I am still generally left of the Democratic party in the US. I always point this out that on the spectrum of left to right amongst major parties...


NDP...............Liberal/Conservative....Democrats............Republicans

The Liberal and Conservative parties in Canada are so centrist that the leader of either party most years could easily lead the other and hardly have to shift the policies.

@Ripskater represents the worst of religious people in my experience and it is people like him that drove me from the Church. Guys like him literally have no moral centre that informs their position and therefore no consistency in their position. And as you say that is dangerous.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Ya I would say generally my view aligns far more with @IngaVovchanchyn than those I see as on the Left I mentioned prior. I do however strongly depart from Inga on the Trump topic where we rarely agree and where I have been disappointed as I think she has (my view) embraced the partisan battle more than the actual arguments.

And understand I am a right leaning Canadian which means I am still generally left of the Democratic party in the US. I always point this out that on the spectrum of left to right amongst major parties...


NDP...............Liberal/Conservative....Democrats............Republicans

The Liberal and Conservative parties in Canada are so centrist that the leader of either party most years could easily lead the other and hardly have to shift the policies.

@Ripskater represents the worst of religious people in my experience and it is people like him that drove me from the Church. Guys like him literally have no moral centre that informs their position and therefore no consistency in their position. And as you say that is dangerous.

Lol. I feel like I either strongly agree or strongly disagree with you. No middle ground. I never read anything you say and go "meh".

 

[moreorless87]

Nope. At the current time, with things socially as far left as they are, and for-profit medicine having not only failed st it's good purpose, but committed the poisoning of America for profit, wanting some government regulation over certain industries is not as insane as a desire to push further socially left.

Besides the difference in view of the current situation being "too socially liberal" you actually seem to be in agreement with me there that economics are a far more pressing issue.

I would guess that most likely the areas of social liberalism your not in favour of are actually the result of those behind them being right wing economically. In order to hide the reality that economics often act as the biggest factor behind disadvantage both generally and on specific issues(poverty generally leads to people suffering more misogyny, racism or homophobia) you end up having a warped view of those issues that often leads to questionable policy and focus.

Most obviously I think you get the idea that "society needs to change" pushed above the idea the economy and government needs to change. The idea that social deprivation in the black community for example is purely the result of present day racism not a result of the historic poverty of the community feeding though from generation to generation with low social mobility.

I mean personally I would say even Obamacare was quite questionable in the same way Clintons morage deal in the 90's was, basically just sticking a plaster on a broken system that's not looking at the fundamental problem.

 

[Ripskater]

@Ripskater represents the worst of religious people in my experience and it is people like him that drove me from the Church. Guys like him literally have no moral centre that informs their position and therefore no consistency in their position. And as you say that is dangerous.

I'm one of the most consistent posters on sherdog. I rarely waver on my views.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Trump won by pandering to the extreme far right identity politics while also representing the 'non-establishment' candidate which Hillary expelified and many people rightly want no part of.

Trump has proved to be, post election, the worst kind of establishment leader (all about Rich, Corporations and giant deficits) while still pandering to and lying to the far right base who only require lip service and a belief that someone is fighting their war.

How did he do that, by saying we need to put America's interests first and renegotiate bad deals? It was the middle of the height of BLM.. He didn't now to them, or actually even mention them.. Was THAT your "pandering to far right identity politics?" Because I don't find being white and not apologizing for it to be all that offensive.. I mean, really, didn't he IGNORE identity politics? Yeah. He did.

 

[MikeMcMann]

I'm one of the most consistent posters on sherdog. I rarely waver on my views.

Another lie in a long line of lies and moral lapses from you.

Answer my prior question.

What was your view on 'activist judges' and 'judges making laws' prior when you saw the court as tipping left?


(and understand I know you won't address that question fully, if at all as per your M.O of just trying to hide from and ignore your prior lies and hypocrisy and to go on trolling and repeating them)

 

[Ripskater]

Another lie in a long line of lies and moral lapses from you.

Answer my prior question.

What was your view on 'activist judges' and 'judges making laws' prior when you saw the court as tipping left?


(and understand I know you won't address that question fully, if at all as per your M.O of just trying to hide from and ignore your prior lies and hypocrisy and to go on trolling and repeating them)

What do you say are my long line of lies?

 

[MikeMcMann]

How did he do that, by saying we need to put America's interests first and renegotiate bad deals? It was the middle of the height of BLM.. He didn't now to them, or actually even mention them.. Was THAT your "pandering to far right identity politics?" Because I don't find being white and not apologizing for it to be all that offensive.. I mean, really, didn't he IGNORE identity politics? Yeah. He did.

I won't even bother with you if you do not see how the extremists measure of the far right including a reemerging KKK and others have applauded him and people associated with him. They feel, and say often, that they feel they again have a voice in Trump after being marginalized and largely silenced for decades.

 

[MikeMcMann]

What do you say are my long line of lies?

Not playing your game as I know you will never answers questions like this while you try to divert and move away. If you want a discussion then discuss. That means answer my questions too.

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Answer my prior question.

What was your view on 'activist judges' and 'judges making laws' prior when you saw the court as tipping left?

 

[Ripskater]

I won't even bother with you if you do not see how the extremists measure of the far right including a reemerging KKK and others have applauded him and people associated with him. They feel, and say often, that they feel they again have a voice in Trump after being marginalized and largely silenced for decades.

Does the KKK even really exist anymore? If they do, they are in hiding and have no power.

 

[Ripskater]

Not playing your game as I know you will never answers questions like this while you try to divert and move away. If you want a discussion then discuss. That means answer my questions too.

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Answer my prior question.

What was your view on 'activist judges' and 'judges making laws' prior when you saw the court as tipping left?

Well if your gonna accuse me of being a liar, you should back it up.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Well if your gonna accuse me of being a liar, you should back it up.

Answer my prior question.

What was your view on 'activist judges' and 'judges making laws' prior when you saw the court as tipping left?

 

[Amerikuracana]

I won't even bother with you if you do not see how the extremists measure of the far right including a reemerging KKK and others have applauded him and people associated with him. They feel, and say often, that they feel they again have a voice in Trump after being marginalized and largely silenced for decades.

They always vote Republican. Obama deported the most Mexicans of any president.. The media pretended it was his idea lol.

Those small, isolated groups account for NOTHING in terms of winning or losing an election. Are you saying the kkk vote makes an impact? Lol!!

 

[MikeMcMann]

Does the KKK even really exist anymore? If they do, they are in hiding and have no power.

Stop your garbage lying



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