Question for those Left of center and those in the Center.

[Lord Commander Palis]

*Lord Phallus

*Lord of Hummers

hummer
More than a blowjob; it's when a girl actually hums (thus vibrating her lips) when her mouth has encased your engorged penis or balls.
Your mom gives great hummers.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I guess you haven't heard. White people have decided to not be racist to asians anymore. And that is the only reason why they've been successful.

I guess this raises a good point though. If asians don't vote left, will democrats try to stop their immigration?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that turd that won't flush: "The Dems only want immigrants so they can vote for them!"

Except when you look at the pre-1965 period (when the bad type of immigrant (no racist tho) started arriving in huge numbers) Democrats were doing just fine in the elections, both in the House of Representatives, Senate, and Presidency:

Bet it won't stop morans from repeating this idiotic line though.

 

[nac386]

Several points to be made.

I don't "hate" you or @nac386 , @Strychnine, @luckyshot and other left leaning posters on this forum.

And I make a clear distinction between "leftists" and liberals.

Do I hate certain facets of leftism? absolutely.

am I crazy about the Republicans? No. quite the opposite. I actually abhor the GOP as much as I do WPEM.

the new left is dangerous and I will not support candidates/politicians who espouse the same ideologies as Cortez, Maxine Waters etc.

I will either, not vote/support them, or vote 3rd party like I normally do.

I think the problem that people have with your posting style is that you use so many undefinable labels that people are not sure who you are talking about sometimes. Depending on who you ask, pretty much anything can make someone a SJW. That's why these new political insults are so bad for discussion, they don't actually mean anything specific that everybody agrees on.

You have far more varied political views than most people on here and you're open to hearing and considering other opinions, but you also use some of the strongest rhetoric.

 

[gassius_clay]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that turd that won't flush: "The Dems only want immigrants so they can vote for them!"

Except when you look at the pre-1965 period (when the bad type of immigrant (no racist tho) started arriving in huge numbers) Democrats were doing just fine in the elections, both in the House of Representatives, Senate, and Presidency:

Bet it won't stop morans from repeating this idiotic line though.

I guess you're too stupid to understand that your graphs dont even refute my comment. Nice try retard.

 

[Hognoxious]

I guess you're too stupid to understand that your graphs dont even refute my comment. Nice try retard.

But muh graphs make me look like I know what I'm talking about.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Several points to be made.

I don't "hate" you or @nac386 , @Strychnine, @luckyshot and other left leaning posters on this forum.

And I make a clear distinction between "leftists" and liberals.

Do I hate certain facets of leftism? absolutely.

am I crazy about the Republicans? No. quite the opposite. I actually abhor the GOP as much as I do WPEM.

the new left is dangerous and I will not support candidates/politicians who espouse the same ideologies as Cortez, Maxine Waters etc.

I will either, not vote/support them, or vote 3rd party like I normally do.

Granted that it's #notallliberals. But I was referring to this:

"however, regarding the radical leftist new ideology of racism, shouting down free speech, identity politics, blaming all the of world failures on "cis Gender white men", and...not to mention the most disgusting facet of the new left, "white progressive ethno-masochists."

I've never seen a more pathetic group of people...absolute fu*king scum.

when you draw a line in the sand, and I see them on one side, I sure as hell know which side I'm choosing."

I think that voting out of hatred and generally expressing that kind of hatred for people who you might disagree with but are well-intentioned are destructive and lead to bad outcomes. For one thing, every conceivable winning coalition has some bad apples in it. Are campus radicals *worse* than neo-Nazis, for example? But it's the party "elites" who actually craft policy and thus determine how elected officials will do in office. People might vote for Trump because they want to see "SJWs" upset, but who really wins from that? Basically rich heirs, polluters, employers who want to be able to restrict their employees' rights, etc.

 

[WTFMike]

Gave up on the system long ago so it doesn't matter where your vote lands either way. Let's just say if you still believe any of this is real, lol. There is no difference between the two parties. You've been indoctrinated to believe so and the media tugs on your little heart strings by getting you pissed and all, etc. But NONE of this is real. It's all a smokescreen. BOTH sides are corrupt as shit. They both take $$$ from the same sources, they just butter it up and cover their tracks well. Watch the movie called "The Distinguished Gentleman" with Eddie Murphy, the fundraising scene where he asks the party insider how things get done if money comes in from all sides? And the insider says "It doesn't that's the beauty of hte system". Also watch Ronn Perlman "The Last Supper" debate scene with the ultra liberals at the end "The more extreme both sides become, the more you get a society that is anchored down the middle". Yup. IN CA alone 2018 new voter registration declaring no party or independent party is up 48%. Nation wide that's closer to 60%. The Two Party System will not last much past 20 years if that> it's all about $$. Crony capitalism is more real than any movement, tirade, wave, etc. And the system likes it that way and those in the system both left and right WILL KILL to keep it that way

 

[WTFMike]

Granted that it's #notallliberals. But I was referring to this:

"however, regarding the radical leftist new ideology of racism, shouting down free speech, identity politics, blaming all the of world failures on "cis Gender white men", and...not to mention the most disgusting facet of the new left, "white progressive ethno-masochists."

I've never seen a more pathetic group of people...absolute fu*king scum.

when you draw a line in the sand, and I see them on one side, I sure as hell know which side I'm choosing."

I think that voting out of hatred and generally expressing that kind of hatred for people who you might disagree with but are well-intentioned are destructive and lead to bad outcomes. For one thing, every conceivable winning coalition has some bad apples in it. Are campus radicals *worse* than neo-Nazis, for example? But it's the party "elites" who actually craft policy and thus determine how elected officials will do in office. People might vote for Trump because they want to see "SJWs" upset, but who really wins from that? Basically rich heirs, polluters, employers who want to be able to restrict their employees' rights, etc.

Personally if I hear the term "College Educated" before describing any group of voters I'm going to take a baseball bat to something. Then the media and left up the ante on that by adding the racist "White college educated" voters. Notice they NEVER say "African/Hispanic/Asian" college educated voters? Pisses me off every time that level of condescension and elitism and bold in your face RACISM! That ultra elitist label as if "Only college educated" adults votes matter, the rest of you are pee ons. Fuck that.

 

[Darth_Inv1ctu5]

As someone generally in the centre, centre/right on this forum who gets grief from those on the far Right and far Left regularly I can say the whole affair i witnessed as an unbiased spectator certainly has led me to believe that US politics is corrupted badly and broken from within.

The far right has adopted this ultimate victim mentally and sees themselves as victims and at threat of everything. A laughable position considering they hold all the power (House, Senate, Presidency, Courts) and yet cry and cry and cry about how hard done by they are. The Party who once screamed about un-elected officials (courts) making law now supports the courts making law as one of their first principles. The far Right found love of Putin and Kim , when they prior decried the very idea of Obama meeting without agreed to concessions would be laughable if it was not so pathetic. What I have seen from the Far Right is that they hold zero principles or ethics and can accept any position that gains and keeps them power and that is scary as they hold nothing sacred by power.

On the far left you see principled stands, that have just been taken over by the nutty wing of the party and the moderates have been brow beaten into keeping quiet lest they be branded on the right, shouted down and shamed. The Far Left have shown they have no hesitation to eat their own even some of the strongest progressive voices if you do not tow the line. Scary as well but you can definitely identified their ethics and principles and therefore make a plan to engage them, even if you do not agree with how they go about things.


Both sides decays are problematic but the decay in the Far Right is far more dangerous IMO. People like TS who show they have zero moral fiber will always worry me the most.

10/10 this, two bowls of shit, of which the right is the bigger cancer

 

[trac209]

I am less concerned with Blasey Ford's accusations than with Kavanaugh's repeated perjury and open partisanship.


Identity politics, Identity politics, Identity politics.

Universal healthcare, responsible environmentalism, protecting workers rights.

These are the reasons I will vote Democratic.

What policies being proposed by Democratic politicians-- you know actual policies-- would you like to discuss?

 

[splendica]

Nothing impacts my vote, because I intentionally do not vote.

Voting gives legitimacy to the state and it's system of control. Unplug yourself and live free.

Are you a Mennonite or Hutterite or Aumish? Come to think of it, I'm not sure if Jehovah's Witnesses vote either.

Are you one of those?

 

[Fawlty]

Fawlty: Probably is a part of a liberal progressive community. Perhaps has a progressive mother. Probably has dated and may be married to a progressive woman. Probably mostly watches CNN and other leftist MSM. Somewhat centrist in some things, still Democrat leaning.

Damn, you were almost perfectly wrong with me. Props for trying lol.

Probably is a part of a liberal progressive community.
I live in a ruby red Missouri suburb.

Perhaps has a progressive mother.
Mom was a conservative.

Probably has dated and may be married to a progressive woman.
I tend to date more conservative women, and my wife was a Mormon Republican.

Probably mostly watches CNN and other leftist MSM.
I don't watch cable news or MSM shows.

Somewhat centrist in some things, still Democrat leaning.
Pretty much right. I'm firmly Democrat for the moment though. Will likely vote 95% Dem this time but that can change.

 

[eworden78]

With the Democrats going even farther Left, the unfounded rape accusations of Kavanaugh, and doubling down on #MeToo, fighting the patriarchy, LGBTQ+agenda, fighting white privilege. Even actions of Leftist protestors lately. How is this got you thinking about your votes in November? Does all this concern you and will it possibly impact your vote?

I honestly don't know.

I'm terrified of the philosophy of the Trumpers on the right. Everything is a zero sum game, us vs them, good vs bad, if anything disagrees with us it's a conspiracy.
I think the core thinking and philosophy of this group is extremely destructive, even if Trumps policies aren't nearly as bad as some make them out to be.
I don't think I have Trump Derangement Syndrome. I don't think he's the devil or Hitler. I think his policies are pretty run of the mill even if I personally don't agree with them. But I think the way he communicates, the way he dismisses facts, and the idea that the ends always justifies the means, and the way his supporters just eat it up with zero concern for truth or reality is absolutely horrifying. Most Trump supporters are well intentioned, but I don't think Hillary was completely off base with her famous "deplorables" comment. I do think Trump has strategically tailored his messaging to appeal to certain demographics that are fair to call deplorable, and the fact that millions of non-deplorables are either ok or ignorant to that is kinda scary.

The Left has kinda gone crazy in the same way in the opposite direction. It starts with the same "Everything is a zero sum game, us vs them, good vs bad, if anything disagrees with us it's a conspiracy." which the "Trumpers" also hold. If you truly believe in the "good vs bad" dynamic and you truly believe the other side is bad, it is fully moral to do whatever you can do to destroy the other side, or at least that's the rationale I see on the poles of this dynamic. What I find really frustrating about this, is that Liberals by definition are open to new ideas, they are by definition open minded and data driven. But what we are seeing is a rise of an illiberal left. Conservatives are supposed to be a bit stubborn and apprehensive when ideas conflict with their beliefs, that's a feature for them, but when a "Liberal" is illiberal, that is clearly a bug in their processing, a virus of some sort affecting their belief system.

Just like I don't the majority of Trumper are deplorable, I don't think most of the left has gone crazy. I do think the issue is that deplorables and crazy liberals are being used insidiously as pawns as a vocal distraction from any true progress and constructive cooperation.

To go on about some of the options out there.

I can never support the old school Reagan, Bush conservatives. For the last 30 years, these have been the most philosophically corrupt group I can imagine.
Massive military spending, terrible economic decisions that consistently increased our debt to GDP ratio, illegal military interventions, disastrous drug wars, ill conceived deregulation, The Patriot Act, and the establishment of a unified Religious Right that was the impetus of our current polarization and fracturing.

I like the philosophical consistency of the Libertarians and the Rand and Ron Paul-ish Republicans. I like their perspective on free speech, drugs, marriage, and military. But I think they are naive and frankly wrong about deregulation and the value of our established social programs. FDA, EPA, NPS, etc... these are flawed but necessary institutions. We need to fix them, get rid of corruption not eliminate them completely. From my perspective deregulation of critical resources has never worked out.

The established Democrats aren't much better. They've embraced much of the Interventionists Neocon philosophy of the right. The Clintons and Obama have failed to close Guantanamo, the Patriot Act lives on, we're embroiled in war after war in the Middle East. Obama and Bill Clinton both have done well with the economy despite what the Right will say, so that a plus. Also I think some form of Universal Health Care is a must, the right looks at Obama Care as failure, but it was a step in the right direction and I don't see anything better coming from the right.

With the new Bernie Democrats, I trust their intentions a bit more. They seem to have pretty clear laid out progressive philosophies, and they are consistent on that and I like that they are anti interventionist. But personally, I'm pretty pro-capitalism. They scare me when they start pushing the more extreme socialist philosophies. I think a little socialism is good, but Capitalism got us this far, let's not jump to Marxism because we're frustrated with economic inequity.

I think when I do vote, it's not going to be about party or even policy. I'm judging by intention, rationality, and character. We need to steer away from people who think zero sum, people who reject evidence, people who think lies are justified by the ends.

I'm not hopeful there is anyone out there.

 

[MikeMcMann]

10/10 this, two bowls of shit, of which the right is the bigger cancer

Yup Ripskater is the best example of all that is wrong on the extreme right.

in his quest for power he gladly accepts and props up and willingly gives power to someone like Donald Trump who laughs at him while crapping on all of Rip's moral positions. Rip says that is ok as I can support Donald, give him power and leadership but also not approve of him morally while at the same time complaining about the dangerous slippery slope the gays pose to the sanctity of the family. This while again ignoring that the guy (Trump) he puts up for the world to see as an example, via electing him to the most powerful position on the planet, poses far more of a risk to the idea of the traditional marriage and family.

 

[splendica]

Damn, you were almost perfectly wrong with me. Props for trying lol.

Probably is a part of a liberal progressive community.
I live in a ruby red Missouri suburb.

Perhaps has a progressive mother.
Mom was a conservative.

Probably has dated and may be married to a progressive woman.
I tend to date more conservative women, and my wife was a Mormon Republican.

Probably mostly watches CNN and other leftist MSM.
I don't watch cable news or MSM shows.

Somewhat centrist in some things, still Democrat leaning.
Pretty much right. I'm firmly Democrat for the moment though. Will likely vote 95% Dem this time but that can change.

I feel like my post was an awkward almost offensive ice-breaker.

Cool to hear your story, thx.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

What policies being proposed by Democratic politicians-- you know actual policies-- would you like to discuss?

How about the notion of presumption of innocence being unapologetically thrown away by high ranking Democrat Senators?
https://thefederalist.com/2018/09/25/chuck-schumer-theres-no-presumption-innocence-brett-kavanaugh/

 

[Ripskater]

I honestly don't know.

I'm terrified of the philosophy of the Trumpers on the right. Everything is a zero sum game, us vs them, good vs bad, if anything disagrees with us it's a conspiracy.
I think the core thinking and philosophy of this group is extremely destructive, even if Trumps policies aren't nearly as bad as some make them out to be.
I don't think I have Trump Derangement Syndrome. I don't think he's the devil or Hitler. I think his policies are pretty run of the mill even if I personally don't agree with them. But I think the way he communicates, the way he dismisses facts, and the idea that the ends always justifies the means, and the way his supporters just eat it up with zero concern for truth or reality is absolutely horrifying. Most Trump supporters are well intentioned, but I don't think Hillary was completely off base with her famous "deplorables" comment. I do think Trump has strategically tailored his messaging to appeal to certain demographics that are fair to call deplorable, and the fact that millions of non-deplorables are either ok or ignorant to that is kinda scary.

The Left has kinda gone crazy in the same way in the opposite direction. It starts with the same "Everything is a zero sum game, us vs them, good vs bad, if anything disagrees with us it's a conspiracy." which the "Trumpers" also hold. If you truly believe in the "good vs bad" dynamic and you truly believe the other side is bad, it is fully moral to do whatever you can do to destroy the other side, or at least that's the rationale I see on the poles of this dynamic. What I find really frustrating about this, is that Liberals by definition are open to new ideas, they are by definition open minded and data driven. But what we are seeing is a rise of an illiberal left. Conservatives are supposed to be a bit stubborn and apprehensive when ideas conflict with their beliefs, that's a feature for them, but when a "Liberal" is illiberal, that is clearly a bug in their processing, a virus of some sort affecting their belief system.

Just like I don't the majority of Trumper are deplorable, I don't think most of the left has gone crazy. I do think the issue is that deplorables and crazy liberals are being used insidiously as pawns as a vocal distraction from any true progress and constructive cooperation.

To go on about some of the options out there.

I can never support the old school Reagan, Bush conservatives. For the last 30 years, these have been the most philosophically corrupt group I can imagine.
Massive military spending, terrible economic decisions that consistently increased our debt to GDP ratio, illegal military interventions, disastrous drug wars, ill conceived deregulation, The Patriot Act, and the establishment of a unified Religious Right that was the impetus of our current polarization and fracturing.

I like the philosophical consistency of the Libertarians and the Rand and Ron Paul-ish Republicans. I like their perspective on free speech, drugs, marriage, and military. But I think they are naive and frankly wrong about deregulation and the value of our established social programs. FDA, EPA, NPS, etc... these are flawed but necessary institutions. We need to fix them, get rid of corruption not eliminate them completely. From my perspective deregulation of critical resources has never worked out.

The established Democrats aren't much better. They've embraced much of the Interventionists Neocon philosophy of the right. The Clintons and Obama have failed to close Guantanamo, the Patriot Act lives on, we're embroiled in war after war in the Middle East. Obama and Bill Clinton both have done well with the economy despite what the Right will say, so that a plus. Also I think some form of Universal Health Care is a must, the right looks at Obama Care as failure, but it was a step in the right direction and I don't see anything better coming from the right.

With the new Bernie Democrats, I trust their intentions a bit more. They seem to have pretty clear laid out progressive philosophies, and they are consistent on that and I like that they are anti interventionist. But personally, I'm pretty pro-capitalism. They scare me when they start pushing the more extreme socialist philosophies. I think a little socialism is good, but Capitalism got us this far, let's not jump to Marxism because we're frustrated with economic inequity.

I think when I do vote, it's not going to be about party or even policy. I'm judging by intention, rationality, and character. We need to steer away from people who think zero sum, people who reject evidence, people who think lies are justified by the ends.

I'm not hopeful there is anyone out there.

We disagree on many things, but thanks for your thoughtful response.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

I think the problem that people have with your posting style is that you use so many undefinable labels that people are not sure who you are talking about sometimes. Depending on who you ask, pretty much anything can make someone a SJW. That's why these new political insults are so bad for discussion, they don't actually mean anything specific that everybody agrees on.

You have far more varied political views than most people on here and you're open to hearing and considering other opinions, but you also use some of the strongest rhetoric.

Yea something about the new left, especially the white progressive self loathing kind that really trigger me...

I have no respect for anyone who hate themselves and have no self respect...

 

[nac386]

Yea something about the new left, especially the white progressive self loathing kind that really trigger me...

I have no respect for anyone who hate themselves and have no self respect...

I've never met a white person who hates himself for being white. I don't really know where all these crazy people are that sherdog is always talking about.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I feel like my post was an awkward almost offensive ice-breaker.

Cool to hear your story, thx.

You were also way off about me. I'm not disabled, have outstanding vision, and I do quite well as a stock analyst. Moved left somewhat over the years just as a result of reading and engaging in arguments.