Elections Peter Thiel and the CIA trying to astroturf the post-Trump Magasphere?

[SuperLuigi]

FWIW I suspect that populism is very much cosmetic, IE very, very limited (is that the same as what you mean by 'curated'? I guess maybe)

Is it a case of the paradox that proves to be true, that the easiest way for a Yarvinian agenda to be advanced is exactly by way of that curated or cosmetic populism? just enough to get the votes and throw them the odd irrelevant bone? thats why culture wars are so popular with the squillionaire types, an agenda they can advance which doesn't affect their bottom line

Certainly the cosmetic populists are capitalist oligarch types who are throwing the token populist bone here and there because they realize if they don't a Trumpian figure can manifest as the bull in their china shop. If this whole episode has shown us anything though its that the face under the mask is not neo-reactionary, nor paleo-conservative. The spectre is rather the last remnants of neo-conservatism which has twisted and turned in the shadows, preparing to adapt and one day assert itself once more.

 

[Andy Capp]

Is this the same Nick Fuentes that is a white nationalist and dined with Trump and Kanye West at Mar a Lago?

White pride vs. indiscriminate corporate takeover would go a long way to explaining the apparent internal conflict here.

 

[IanEdwards]

Certainly the cosmetic populists are capitalist oligarch types who are throwing the token populist bone here and there because they realize if they don't a Trumpian figure can manifest as the bull in their china shop. If this whole episode has shown us anything though its that the face under the mask is not neo-reactionary, nor paleo-conservative. The spectre is rather the last remnants of neo-conservatism which has twisted and turned in the shadows, preparing to adapt and one day assert itself once more.

nicely put, if depressing

 

[ShadowRun]

Not a fan of anything of them, never been .

 

[SuperLuigi]

Is this the same Nick Fuentes that is a white nationalist and dined with Trump and Kanye West at Mar a Lago?

White pride vs. indiscriminate corporate takeover would go a long way to explaining the apparent internal conflict here.

Whats interesting though is that when you zoom out you start to notice the lines of internal and external blurring. A capitalist democrat who simply wants the invisible hand to set the rules would likely find it pleasantly convenient that the biggest winners of the free market are using their resources to sabotage the nativist protectionist far right. Meanwhile the Groypers and the Bernie Bros keep finding themselves shoulder to shoulder, whether its resisting wage suppression, challenging zionism and AIPAC, or struggling to slowly pry away the gripping hands of the corporatist establishment.

 

[Patof]

Thiel and Yarvin are the biggest threats to America imo. If people are concerned about the WEF wait till they read what Yarvin wants to do.

I often joke with my friends that Thiel is my Klaus Schwab.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Being afraid of Peter Thiel is very low IQ. It's the same mental level as being afraid of having your picture taken. the type of shit joe rogan would spend a marijuana-induced stupor three hours podcast hysteria on.

 

[SuperLuigi]

An interesting point that comes up is the exact characterization of the cosmetic populists as we have labelled them here. Fuentes labels them "prioritizers" on the logic that their worldview is rooted the doctrine of shifting America's focus towards Asia in an effort to be ready for the new cold war that will happen with the ascent of China in the mid 21st century. The logic goes that this explains perfectly why they are on the one hand critical of neocons wanting to stir up conflict with Russia and Iran, seemingly sympathetic to Russia and Iran, yet at the same time love Israel and NATO and want to send them tons of funding, weapons, diplomatic support, etc. Rather than using direct intervention they want to use NATO and Israel as agents of containment which deal with their problems outside East Asia so they can focus on China. The big problem with this is assuming Israel is simply going to always act in American interests once it has been armed and funded to the teeth, as we know this isnt true. If I recall correctly Israel even aided China in developing nukes behind Americas back, a pretty clean indication the logic is flawed. Probably also worth mentioning the enormous amount of influence Israel exerts on American politics. Maybe not a force we should be empowering further.

 

[BoomStronk]

The really weird thing about it for me is that their whole political project is like the evil mirror-world version of what I actually want. I'm an anarchist. I want the state replaced by a loose-knit federation of ideologically-aligned communes. They want the state replaced by a network of ideologically aligned city-states. The difference is, I want direct democracy and worker ownership of the means of production. They want complete corporate control under, essentially, hereditary monarchies. I highly doubt I'll see my ideal society built within my lifetime, but I REALLY hope I don't live to see their's.

Square this with your earlier post about not saying mean things to megalomaniacs.


Thiel is a viper who anticipates the enslavement of human future with giddy glee, and he's in a position to do it, and he's started the project. Fuck him. He should be carted off and made to toil in the mines, a future he seems to actively be ushering in on nearly everyone else.

 

[BoomStronk]

Thiel and his ilk are demonic transhumanists with a heavy Straussian bent. This is well outside of the political dialectic. People would do well to stop focusing on surface level drama and start thinking in terms of paradigms.

Agreed. There are some seriously dark clouds billowing up on the horizon, and we're down here arguing about the colour of the grass.

 

[Daverisimo]

Square this with your earlier post about not saying mean things to megalomaniacs.


Thiel is a viper who anticipates the enslavement of human future with giddy glee, and he's in a position to do it, and he's started the project. Fuck him. He should be carted off and made to toil in the mines, a future he seems to actively be ushering in on nearly everyone else.

Oh, that wasn't about not saying anything mean about him. It's about the fact that I don't think I can talk about him for too long before I get put on some sort of terrorist watch list, lol

 

[Spam On Rye]

Agreed. There are some seriously dark clouds billowing up on the horizon, and we're down here arguing about the colour of the grass.

100% There's two groups in particular that are worth looking into. Game-B on the left and the Dark Enlightenment types on the right. Both play the dialectic game but share the same presuppositions. The goal of both is apotheosis and both are ultimately anti-human in the end.

 

[koquerelle]

he has funded and fueled Vance for years

Understatement. Thiel took Vance under his wings when the "hillbilly" was in college.

 

[Plissken]

I don't really know who to trust. This pretty much sums up how I feel about pretty much everyone these days. The people in the political sphere I currently believe are legit I can probably count on my hand.



Fuentes has often come across much like Richard Spencer who was an Occupy Wall Street leftist back in the day then conveniently became far right and very much comes across like a plant meant to create a villain and exactly what Carlson is describing Duke as in many ways. He could be legit in his thinking and from the limited amount I've seen from him lately he's not as bad as advertised.

I have zero trust in anyone associated with the C.I.A., no matter if they consider themselves reformed or not.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Being afraid of Peter Thiel is very low IQ. It's the same mental level as being afraid of having your picture taken. the type of shit joe rogan would spend a marijuana-induced stupor three hours podcast hysteria on.

What is your opinion on all of this? What do you think of Thiel's ideas? Isnt it a legitimate concern that magnates can highjack a party and install a guy like Vance as the heir apparent?

 

[Andy Capp]

Whats interesting though is that when you zoom out you start to notice the lines of internal and external blurring. A capitalist democrat who simply wants the invisible hand to set the rules would likely find it pleasantly convenient that the biggest winners of the free market are using their resources to sabotage the nativist protectionist far right. Meanwhile the Groypers and the Bernie Bros keep finding themselves shoulder to shoulder, whether its resisting wage suppression, challenging zionism and AIPAC, or struggling to slowly pry away the gripping hands of the corporatist establishment.

Notice my use of the term "apparent".

 

[Crazy Source]

What is your opinion on all of this? What do you think of Thiel's ideas? Isnt it a legitimate concern that magnates can highjack a party and install a guy like Vance as the heir apparent?

Um, yeah. The steady flow after citizens united has been our downfall.

We are at a point where the President of the United States has a cryto coin that he can be bribed through. I honestly don't get his hustle anymore. You can only get so much and you can't spend it all. Is this just a dick waving exercise?

It would be palatable if he wasn't going scorched earth. I get that, but deriving pleasure out of other people's pain is really sick shit.

 

[Andy Capp]

Um, yeah. The steady flow after citizens united has been our downfall.

We are at a point where the President of the United States has a cryto coin that he can be bribed through. I honestly don't get his hustle anymore. You can only get so much and you can't spend it all. Is this just a dick waving exercise?

It would be palatable if he wasn't going scorched earth. I get that, but deriving pleasure out of other people's pain is really sick shit.

I think it is very clearly to feel better about having a tiny penis.

 

[HOLA]

What evidence is there that links Yarvin to Thiel and Vance? Yarvin's ideology is inherently anti-populist while Vance and Thiel seem to be pushing for a kind of curated populism.

Check The New Yorker article I linked bruh. It's a long-form article, probably take over an hour to read, but worth it if you're interested in the subject.

 

[Scott Stapp]

Musk is a product of the same machine. Mike Griffin was his mentor.

In 2002, Griffin was President and COO of In-Q-Tel, a private enterprise funded by the CIA to identify and invest in companies developing cutting-edge technologies that serve national security interests. During this time, he met entrepreneur Elon Musk and accompanied him on a trip to Russia where they attempted to purchase ICBMs. The unsuccessful trip is credited as directly leading to the formation of SpaceX.[8] Griffin was an early advocate for Musk calling him a potential “Henry Ford for the rocket industry".[9]

After In-Q-Tel, Griffin served as Chief Engineer and Associate Administrator for Space Exploration at NASA Headquarters. In 2005, he was appointed NASA Administrator where he conceived and introduced Commercial Resupply Services and crew transportation services for the International Space Station.[10] Twenty aerospace companies applied to the Commercial Orbital Transportation Services (COTS) program, but only SpaceX was selected and given $396 million—a surprising bet given the new company had never flown a rocket.[11]

In December 2008, with SpaceX again on the verge of bankruptcy, Griffin awarded SpaceX along with his own Orbital Sciences company each contracts with a combined value of $3.5 billion.[12] Elon Musk credited the NASA contract as saving his company.[13]

In February 2018, Griffin was appointed as Under Secretary of Defense for Research and Engineering by Donald Trump. One of his first actions was to create the Space Development Agency.[14][15] The organization was tasked with procuring a proliferated constellation of low Earth orbit satellites to defend against Chinese and Russian hypersonic weapons. Commercial contracts for the constellation were given to L3Harris and SpaceX to build Starlink military satellites.[16] CIA Director Mike Pompeo called the project a “Strategic Defense Initiative for our time, the SDI II".[17]

Griffin has encouraged the development of boost-glide hypersonic weapons such as the AGM-183 ARRW. In 2020, he signaled that the Unites States would be making a major investment in production of hypersonic weaponry at scale.