Does Andrew Tate's performance reflect poorly on kickboxing?

[koquerelle]

-He was never relevant to the sport.
-He's old.
-It was boxing, not kickboxing.

So no, it doesn't reflect poorly on kickboxing.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Tate was NEVER a factor in the sport.

I was in here, in this forum and others discussing Kickboxing throughout his entire career. NOBODY TALKED ABOUT TATE.

He has no big wins. He was never considered "Elite"... by anyone who was following the sport.

He didn't have a name until he became a social media personality.

Also, just watch his fights. If you think that is elite technique you don't know what you are talking about.

People find any excuse to bag on Kickboxing, meanwhile Kickboxers continue to go snatch up world titles in other sports regularly.

 

[TheMaster]

Tate was NEVER a factor in the sport.

I was in here, in this forum and others discussing Kickboxing throughout his entire career. NOBODY TALKED ABOUT TATE.

He has no big wins. He was never considered "Elite"... by anyone who was following the sport.

He didn't have a name until he became a social media personality.

Also, just watch his fights. If you think that is elite technique you don't know what you are talking about.

People find any excuse to bag on Kickboxing, meanwhile Kickboxers continue to go snatch up world titles in other sports regularly.

As has been discussed, "elite" means different things to those inside and outside of the sport. For any non kickboxer, he has fo be considered competing at the elite levels. He fought all around the world, including competing for K1 at one stage. Thats elite by most metrics.

I get however why theres a strong desire to distance the sport from him now.
Why don't we be honest and ask instead how someone who competed at a high level for so long, could be that bad after a few years out?

 

[Snubnoze707]

Why don't we be honest and ask instead how someone who competed at a high level for so long, could be that bad after a few years out?

Sounds like a personal problem for Tate and has nothing to do with the sport of Kickboxing. Pretty idiotic to tie those two things together. We don't use a washed up out of competition guy that was never considered a top fighter as a barometer for the sport.

 

[Snubnoze707]

As has been discussed, "elite" means different things to those inside and outside of the sport. For any non kickboxer, he has fo be considered competing at the elite levels. He fought all around the world, including competing for K1 at one stage. Thats elite by most metrics.

Also, LOL @ This. No. We don't use metrics of casuals who know nothing about the sport. You only know his record because you looked it up after the fact. None of you casuals knew who he was when he was fighting. We base "Elite" on the opinions of people that know what they are talking about, not the people that don't.

 

[Iactus Inferus]

As has been discussed, "elite" means different things to those inside and outside of the sport. For any non kickboxer, he has fo be considered competing at the elite levels.

Not sure how you got that out of what I said earlier in the thread. I was gently explaining to that other guy that his metric for elite is useless because using it makes most professional fighters elite in their sport when there is a very obvious hierarchy of skill. It's like saying a AA Baseball player is elite just because they play on a professional team and travel around for games. The word completely loses meaning when you try to stretch it to mean "everyone who's better than a regular person".

 

[onne1983]

it reflects poorly on Andrew Tate. nothing else

 

[Cal Cutter]

I guess if you aren't fighting in the UFC or ONE you don't have it, eh?

In Tate's case, pretty much.

Being a regional jobber in your 20s doesn't spell good things when you try to take a novelty fight when you're 40 after a decade and a half of smoking cigars and pretending to be a camgirl in webchats.

 

[haj02]

Tate fought in stuff like WKA and IKSA which have super low talent pools in the UK. They are not elite kickboxing organisations by any stretch of the imagination in the UK and are more known for children's open tournaments than anything. He'd get smoked by pretty much any of the top level UK Muay Thai guy which is a much more legit scene than UK "kickboxing" which is honestly as I say mostly a scene for kids weekend open tournaments not anything like a talent heavy "kickboxing" scene.

 

[arcadeperfect]

If Tate had lost to someone that had fighting talent or was an active pro, then his long layoff excuse would work. He lost to THIS:

 

[Cal Cutter]

ask instead how someone who competed at a high level for so long, could be that bad after a few years out?

But he didn't compete at a high level, that's the whole point. He was a circuit fighter with a bum-padded record until he decided to pivot into camgirls.