Does Andrew Tate's performance reflect poorly on kickboxing?

[koquerelle]

-He was never relevant to the sport.
-He's old.
-It was boxing, not kickboxing.

So no, it doesn't reflect poorly on kickboxing.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Tate was NEVER a factor in the sport.

I was in here, in this forum and others discussing Kickboxing throughout his entire career. NOBODY TALKED ABOUT TATE.

He has no big wins. He was never considered "Elite"... by anyone who was following the sport.

He didn't have a name until he became a social media personality.

Also, just watch his fights. If you think that is elite technique you don't know what you are talking about.

People find any excuse to bag on Kickboxing, meanwhile Kickboxers continue to go snatch up world titles in other sports regularly.

 

[TheMaster]

Tate was NEVER a factor in the sport.

I was in here, in this forum and others discussing Kickboxing throughout his entire career. NOBODY TALKED ABOUT TATE.

He has no big wins. He was never considered "Elite"... by anyone who was following the sport.

He didn't have a name until he became a social media personality.

Also, just watch his fights. If you think that is elite technique you don't know what you are talking about.

People find any excuse to bag on Kickboxing, meanwhile Kickboxers continue to go snatch up world titles in other sports regularly.

As has been discussed, "elite" means different things to those inside and outside of the sport. For any non kickboxer, he has fo be considered competing at the elite levels. He fought all around the world, including competing for K1 at one stage. Thats elite by most metrics.

I get however why theres a strong desire to distance the sport from him now.
Why don't we be honest and ask instead how someone who competed at a high level for so long, could be that bad after a few years out?

 

[Snubnoze707]

Why don't we be honest and ask instead how someone who competed at a high level for so long, could be that bad after a few years out?

Sounds like a personal problem for Tate and has nothing to do with the sport of Kickboxing. Pretty idiotic to tie those two things together. We don't use a washed up out of competition guy that was never considered a top fighter as a barometer for the sport.

 

[Snubnoze707]

As has been discussed, "elite" means different things to those inside and outside of the sport. For any non kickboxer, he has fo be considered competing at the elite levels. He fought all around the world, including competing for K1 at one stage. Thats elite by most metrics.

Also, LOL @ This. No. We don't use metrics of casuals who know nothing about the sport. You only know his record because you looked it up after the fact. None of you casuals knew who he was when he was fighting. We base "Elite" on the opinions of people that know what they are talking about, not the people that don't.

 

[Iactus Inferus]

As has been discussed, "elite" means different things to those inside and outside of the sport. For any non kickboxer, he has fo be considered competing at the elite levels.

Not sure how you got that out of what I said earlier in the thread. I was gently explaining to that other guy that his metric for elite is useless because using it makes most professional fighters elite in their sport when there is a very obvious hierarchy of skill. It's like saying a AA Baseball player is elite just because they play on a professional team and travel around for games. The word completely loses meaning when you try to stretch it to mean "everyone who's better than a regular person".

 

[onne1983]

it reflects poorly on Andrew Tate. nothing else

 

[Cal Cutter]

I guess if you aren't fighting in the UFC or ONE you don't have it, eh?

In Tate's case, pretty much.

Being a regional jobber in your 20s doesn't spell good things when you try to take a novelty fight when you're 40 after a decade and a half of smoking cigars and pretending to be a camgirl in webchats.

 

[haj02]

Tate fought in stuff like WKA and IKSA which have super low talent pools in the UK. They are not elite kickboxing organisations by any stretch of the imagination in the UK and are more known for children's open tournaments than anything. He'd get smoked by pretty much any of the top level UK Muay Thai guy which is a much more legit scene than UK "kickboxing" which is honestly as I say mostly a scene for kids weekend open tournaments not anything like a talent heavy "kickboxing" scene.

 

[arcadeperfect]

If Tate had lost to someone that had fighting talent or was an active pro, then his long layoff excuse would work. He lost to THIS:

 

[Cal Cutter]

ask instead how someone who competed at a high level for so long, could be that bad after a few years out?

But he didn't compete at a high level, that's the whole point. He was a circuit fighter with a bum-padded record until he decided to pivot into camgirls.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Tate fought in stuff like WKA and IKSA which have super low talent pools in the UK. They are not elite kickboxing organisations by any stretch of the imagination in the UK and are more known for children's open tournaments than anything. He'd get smoked by pretty much any of the top level UK Muay Thai guy which is a much more legit scene than UK "kickboxing" which is honestly as I say mostly a scene for kids weekend open tournaments not anything like a talent heavy "kickboxing" scene.

Exactly, it's not like he was the WAKO world champion. He also wasn't an amateur champion in K1 style.

 

[TJ Dillashank]

No one knew who he was before he got famous from his online stuff. The guy spent his career winning regional belts off of absolute cans and claimed he was a world champion but watching any of his fights it's obvious that he would barely scrape by in amateur circuits where kickboxing is competitive.

Thankfully, Adesanya and Pereira did kickboxing proud in the more mainstream.

 

[jeskola]

Andrew Tate is a garbage human, so the answer is no. Anyone who defends or supports him even in the slightest is a piece of shit

 

[Tayski]

Andrew Tate is only famous as a social media influencer and because of his online antics, podcasts, etc. not because he's good at Kickboxing.

Nobody ever talked about his fights on here, he's irrelevant to the Kickboxing scene.

 

[Blazeblack]

Tate fought in stuff like WKA and IKSA which have super low talent pools in the UK. They are not elite kickboxing organisations by any stretch of the imagination in the UK and are more known for children's open tournaments than anything. He'd get smoked by pretty much any of the top level UK Muay Thai guy which is a much more legit scene than UK "kickboxing" which is honestly as I say mostly a scene for kids weekend open tournaments not anything like a talent heavy "kickboxing" scene.

It's not even that. The ISKA in particular is a prestigious kickboxing sanctioning body. Both organizations have titles in K-1 and Thai boxing, where all the legitimate fighters are. The problem is that he won his belts in "full contact" which is a rule set with no talent.

Granted the elite Kickboxers fight in promotions like Glory. But most of those fighters have to build their resume with titles from organizations like the ISKA and WKA before getting a contract with a major promotion.

 

[Sms_productions713]

Enfusion didn't have a good light heavyweight division at the time. If Andew Tate fought in Glory he would have been destroyed

He was able to be some what competitive, but still end up losing a decision to parparyan is his best kickboxing achievement. He knew when he felt that level, it was time to go. His style was not.made to compete with that next level Dutch. And that was just a fringe top 10 guy.

 

[CasualBot]

Tate is a poser who fought up n comers.

Most of sherdog would fuck up his world, real quick.

 

[CasualBot]

Tate was NEVER a factor in the sport.

I was in here, in this forum and others discussing Kickboxing throughout his entire career. NOBODY TALKED ABOUT TATE.

He has no big wins. He was never considered "Elite"... by anyone who was following the sport.

He didn't have a name until he became a social media personality.

Also, just watch his fights. If you think that is elite technique you don't know what you are talking about.

People find any excuse to bag on Kickboxing, meanwhile Kickboxers continue to go snatch up world titles in other sports regularly.

Add Jordan Peterson to the same logic.

I was Toronto when Peterson was "some shitty teacher who recycles student thesis as his own work" and was caught, called out in his lecture by his former student (for the quoted part).

Years later, he is on the internet.
Then simps started worshipping him during lockdown.

The trends:
-camo & hi-viz fashion, insert mustaches
-podcasters... rogan, tate, peterson, kirk, etc
-cars and motorcycles as identity issues

The poser trends are wild these days.
There is no gatekeeping anymore.

Guys like Tate and Rogan get credit as "professional fighters" as much as Donald was a "successful businessman". It's fuckin an alternative reality. Participation prizes.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Add Jordan Peterson to the same logic.

I was Toronto when Peterson was "some shitty teacher who recycles student thesis as his own work" and was caught, called out in his lecture by his former student (for the quoted part).

Years later, he is on the internet.
Then simps started worshipping him during lockdown.

The trends:
-camo & hi-viz fashion, insert mustaches
-podcasters... rogan, tate, peterson, kirk, etc
-cars and motorcycles as identity issues

The poser trends are wild these days.
There is no gatekeeping anymore.

Guys like Tate and Rogan get credit as "professional fighters" as much as Donald was a "successful businessman". It's fuckin an alternative reality. Participation prizes.

Posers must be found, thrown out, and DESTROYED.

This world needs more gatekeeping.