Crime Perjuring the Swamp (New report: Trump instructed Cohen to lie to Congress) +WOW+ (SCO Thread v. 27)

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7437 said:
to be clear, you think RICO should not apply to the president?
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Personally, I think RICO is bullshit in general.

I KNOW that it doesn't apply to the President. That's beside the point though. It's some lame cheat you've been convinced through Hollywood, that only applies to the Italian Mafia. Meanwhile, all of your minority buddies are getting fucked by it.
 
HereticBD said:
Personally, I think RICO is bullshit in general.

I KNOW that it doesn't apply to the President. That's beside the point though. It's some lame cheat you've been convinced through Hollywood, that only applies to the Italian Mafia. Meanwhile, all of your minority buddies are getting fucked by it.
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the criminal minorities sure.

whats wrong with RICO exactly?
 
MC OverPressure said:
Gee whiz, this BF journalist is really laying his balls on the block, insisting the "reporting will be borne out".
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I think the substantive details will prove to be true.

I think what happened (my guess) is that Cohen is the source. Really who could it be beyond Cohen, his lawyer or the Mueller team, and we know the Mueller team doesn't leak.

But journalists will often resort to misdirection to protect a source. If they did not point at the Mueller team the natural inclination of everyone would be Cohen or his lawyers, again as Mueller does not leak.

So when they came out with the story and pointed the finger at Mueller's team that pissed Mueller off. They were making his team look bad. So he cleared the air. IF you look at what he said he did not say the substantive details of the scoop were wrong. He said it was 'not accurate'. That could easily be referring to the 'source'.
 
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HereticBD said:
Haven't looked into it.



I think it's irrelevant to this conversation.

Is that the hill you're gonna die on? RICO...on the President...LOL.

Yeah, good luck with that.
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You're whinging about turning people in investigations, a tool that Rudy Giuliani and Robert Mueller both used in the highest of profile cases successfully. The law on flipping people has been quite clear since Giuliani's work, despite your obfuscation on this point.

You can think it's some corrupt hatchet job, but here in America we have a history of putting bad people away with the exact tactics you cry about.
 
I don't know the facts but you can bet between all those currently investigating Trump including Mueller, the S.District NY, the USA DC, the USA EDV, New York City, and New York State that they will get to the bottom of Trump's financial dealings and I certainly do not believe Trump did business clean as a whistle.

I absolutely think his fortune is at risk of a Rico Forfeiture and that his kids who were Directors of the business and charity are at great risk. Particularly with the life long accountant participating.

Anyone who has not seen this should take the time and watch it. Not because they have to take it for fact but just so they know the lines that are being pursued.

 
MikeMcMann said:
I don't know the facts but you can bet between all those currently investigating Trump including Mueller, the S.District NY, the USA DC, the USA EDV, New York City, and New York State that they will get to the bottom of Trump's financial dealings and I certainly do not believe Trump did business clean as a whistle.

I absolutely think his fortune is at risk of a Rico Forfeiture and that his kids who were Directors of the business and charity are at great risk. Particularly with the life long accountant participating.

Anyone who has not seen this should take the time and watch it. Not because they have to take it for fact but just so they know the lines that are being pursued.

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I've said this before... President Trump may well survive this investigation.

The Trump organization won't.
 
hillelslovak87 said:
You can think it's some corrupt hatchet job, but here in America we have a history of putting bad people away with the exact tactics you cry about.
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A lot of black people put away under those rules. A fact you seem to not acknowledge when complaining about the unjust prison system.
 
Strychnine said:
I've said this before... President Trump may well survive this investigation.

The Trump organization won't.
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Yup. and one or more of Trumps kids will be at real threat of jail time. The Charity and his Business ties to Russia and Mob money are a real risk to them as the Directors of the companies.
 
HereticBD said:
A lot of black people put away under those rules. A fact you seem to not acknowledge when complaining about the unjust prison system.
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What on earth does that have to do with anything pertaining to this issue?
 
Ophydian said:
You guys go out of your way to make excuse that any other person you’d ridicule and demonize them for what they said or did.

I mean he’s convinced the Republican Party that Russia is more an ally to the US than the Democratic Party.
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Why did he put sanctions on Russia, armed Ukraine.. etc
 
MikeMcMann said:
A list of all the Investigations into Trump and his organizations and the various Gov't Agencies pursuing them all.
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Worst case scenario and I'm just spit-balling here and NOT SAYING that this WILL happen..

President Trump flees to Russia a-la Edward Snowden and claims asylum from persecution from the "Deep State."
 
ShadowRun said:
Why did he put sanctions on Russia, armed Ukraine.. etc
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He didn't put sanctions on Russia. The administration and congress have put toothless sanctions on a few russian citizens, and they recently voted to ease some of those.
 
MikeMcMann said:
I think the substantive details will prove to be true.

I think what happened (my guess) is that Cohen is the source. Really who could it be beyond Cohen, his lawyer or the Mueller tea, and we know the Mueller team doesn't leak.

But journalists will often resort to misdirection to protect a source. If they did not point at the Mueller team the natural inclination of everyone would be Cohen or his lawyers, again as Mueller does not leak.

So when they came out with the story and pointed the finger at Mueller's team that pissed Mueller off. They were making his team look bad. So he cared the air. IF you look at what he said he did not say the substantive details of the scoop were wrong. He said it was 'not accurate'. That could easily be referring to the 'source'.
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I can agree, except that what Mueller didn't say gives us no useful information.
 
HereticBD said:
It's typical rat mentality.

"I only did ____, because the guy you hate more told me to."


Love watching Libs take this guy seriously.
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Uh, that’s not rat mentality. They typically give information on their boss or people higher in the organization to get lighter sentences. It’s not about who hates who it’s about going up the chain of command.

In this case Trump was Cohen’s boss. And people take him seriously because apparently he gave prosecutors valuable information, like evidence that Trump broke campaign finance laws.

He’s a liar but given his circumstances it would be painfully stupid for him to lie now in public. So yeah, what he says should be taken seriously but through a critical lense. Seems like you’re writing off everything he says out of partisanship.
 
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