International Orban: "We do not need numbers. We need Hungarian children."

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  1. JamesRussler

    JamesRussler You can call me Jimmy

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    Basically USA Citizens whose status is not controversial (e.g., no "anchor babies," no dual citizens, no lottery winners, etc.). That's probably a good subject for another thread.
     
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  2. JamesRussler

    JamesRussler You can call me Jimmy

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    If everyone were equally productive, people probably wouldn't have as much of a problem with "sharing" the benefits of their labor with the population at large. That's why socialist policies only work (if ever) in tiny, homogenous countries. Chalking it up to racism is just fanning the flames.
     
  3. cooks1

    cooks1 No matter where you go-there you are Platinum Member

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    LOL. Do you have so little belief in the value of your faith, culture, and ideals that you do not believe they can survive competing with the alternative culture and ideology of Islam? That's a bunch of weaksauce right there.
     
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    Squarechoke Gold Belt

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    That would be more impressive if they could actually afford it, but Hungary remains the biggest freeloader in the EU. Unlike with the UK the EU would get stronger without Hungary, but surprise, surprise - the country that is so openly against EU policies won't leave. They don't want to go back to what they were before they started receiving handouts.
     
  5. Rod1

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    How do you reconcile such policy with the 14th?
     
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    Bald1 War Room Can

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    Drop porn in Hungary? You'd be better off asking them to accept Muslims into the country.
     
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    Supaboost White Belt

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    If dumb people hand you money would you say no, or take it till they crumble.

    It also must have spurred some economic success benefiting the big manufacturing nations mostly.
     
  8. evansusmc2

    evansusmc2 Black Belt

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    Damn it Rip!

    I was on board with your first comment. You had us all lubed up and cozy. Then you snuck the bible bastard sandwich in on us.
     
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  9. JamesRussler

    JamesRussler You can call me Jimmy

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    Birthright citizenship isn't in the 14A, and I doubt the current Court would read it in there. For further reading on that subject, start here.
     
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    Ripskater Johnny Mac's friend Yellow Card

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    Ha ha! We won't agree on everything.
     
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    Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    Nope, but equal protection is, so if you want to make any policy that boost birth rates it will be available to all citizens. Even non-whites.
     
  12. Renard

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    ... Do you not realize that birth control has fucked up holistic population dynamics forever? Our grasp of technology has fundamentally changed the rules that have existed since the beginning of humanity. There's no letting anything happen organically, that's been out of the window since the 1960s and the entry of the birth control pill on the mainstream market. Nature's carrot to get humans to have children is not effective anymore. Y'all stupid if you don't realize that.
     
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    Rod1 Titanium Belt

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    The good ol' pullout game has been in existence since forever man, so its not really the pill to blame.
     
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  14. evansusmc2

    evansusmc2 Black Belt

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    You are forgetting to mention the disproportionately unfair divorce hell put in place. I've seen men lose everything a few months after one kid. Simply put, the laws need to change.
     
  15. Cole train

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    I gotta feel that our country wont exist in the future or at least finnish people wont and finnish culture wont.

    That being said our people seem to be waking up a bit lately (thanks to oulu)

    The goverment can still go fuck themselfs
     
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    Disagreed.

    Finno-ugric folks have weathered some of the harshest invasions and have been the "nail that sticks out" for centuries and yet still hold their ground. To weather the USSR and the Ottomans at their height of power while being so vastly outnumbered is no mean feat. And while I bet you Finns have more of the original blood than us Magyars, the obstinance still runs deep in all 3 people's. Estonians being the 3rd, of course.
     
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    evansusmc2 Black Belt

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    Holy roller crap... here we go again. Enough of the prophet Ripskater nonsense.
    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say its usually the people that say this usually don't have either.
    You are not the Authority on who is happy and who isn't.

    OK I'll agree with you on this.
     
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  18. IDL

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    It's certainly a rational response as opposed to embarking on a great replacement project.

    Implementation isn't easy though, in terms of fostering conditions in which people will have larger families. A lot has to do with values, and there are so many competing values (such as Hollywood and trashy TV).

    Israel is probably the most successful in this regard so lessons could probably be learned there.
     
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  19. Cole train

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    We will see

    But i can say if europe starts falling we will be among last countries to fall.

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  20. panamaican

    panamaican Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    The reasons aren't unknown, the basic trade off has been well discussed for a while. When the risk of children dying young is high, people have more kids. When the risk is low, people devote more resources to fewer children.

    As countries become wealthier with better healthcare systems, the risk of early childhood deaths decline so people have fewer kids and instead devote more of their income to making sure that 1 kid is all he/she can be. This is why we see the decline in birth rates in regions with high relative wealth and that the world birth rate has been declining for years. Now only the poorest countries have high birth rates and even they are slowing down as the economic and health gains in the rest of the world finally make it down to them.

    The capitalism problem is that so much economic policy is driven by growth and you can't have perpetual economic growth with a shrinking or stagnant population. So capitalism needs more people so that more things are bought and sold and tax revenue can increase. But biology doesn't need more people. And thus the conflict/concern about birth rates.
     
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