International Orban: "We do not need numbers. We need Hungarian children."

[JamesRussler]

Hungary's not the West?

Completely serious question - what is it then?

Hungary definitely falls in the Eastern Europe basket. Pretty much everything past Germany, Austria, and Italy does.

 

[Andy Capp]

Holy roller crap... here we go again. Enough of the prophet Ripskater nonsense.


I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say its usually the people that say this usually don't have either.

You are not the Authority on who is happy and who isn't.



OK I'll agree with you on this.

The last one is fearmongering bullshit. So I don't agree with that one either. Otherwise, I agree with you.

 

[panamaican]

Hungary definitely falls in the Eastern Europe basket. Pretty much everything past Germany, Austria, and Italy does.

I know that geographically, I was asking more culturally, demographically.

When I think about Western scientific advancement, Hungarian scientists are part of that...to me.

 

[Squarechoke]

neither are they.

Where does it say in the charter when a dumb german cow floods the continent with million of undocumented migrants you (hungary) have to take them in ?

They don't want rapists and terrorist, is that so hard for you to understand?

If you think it's just about accepting immigrants then your knowledge of the subject is too limited.

I guess that's common here though as those that want to applaud Hungary conveniently forget issues like how they are trying to limit freedom of speech in the country, although the same people are very quick at jumping on that issue with other countries that they don't have an agenda in supporting.

 

[zulqarnayn]

The Hungarian conservative party is making sense. They don't want their neighborhoods to be overrun with Islam like London. The UK, Germany and Sweden are all having problems with Islamic immigrants and their offspring. Islamic countries are all ruined by Islam, and the west needs to keep them from coming over, bringing their ideals and culture and ruining ours too.

As a Muslim i respect your point of view and i understand where you're coming from. The one thing thats a complete lie in your post is that Islamic countries are ruined by Islam. Islam is the most perfect system there is, but Islamic countries don't use Islam to govern so their problems have nothing to do with the religion.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

I know that geographically, I was asking more culturally, demographically.

When I think about Western scientific advancement, Hungarian scientists are part of that...to me.

Mostly Jews and Austrians that were part of the Austro-Hungary empire. Hungary invested heavily in education but didn't allow peasants to study so Jews and Germans/Austrians took up these positions, mostly. Austria was the more western part while Hungary the more Eastern, less developed part.
Anyway, after the Soviets took control of the area it became a communist/eastern shit hole but it's progressing.

 

[JamesRussler]

I know that geographically, I was asking more culturally, demographically.

When I think about Western scientific advancement, Hungarian scientists are part of that...to me.

When the white people go from looking like this...

...to this...

...That's when you're in Eastern Europe.

 

[Cole train]

I get that, I'm just always curious where the end of "Western Europe" is. Hungary has a large percentage of blond haired, blue eyed citizens which I've always assumed met the superficial demographic category. Like if blond haired, blue eyed Europeans and their nations are part of "the West" then that definition is even vaguer to me than I originally thought.

And they were part of the Hapsburg monarchy (lot of historical detail which I'm just simplifying...before the historians eviscerate me) which include modern Germany, Austria, Switzerland, etc. And those countries are in "the West".

It's not an important thing, it just surprised me to hear them described as outside of the West.

Everything west from sweden,germany and italy is "western europe" generally speaking

 

[Bald1]

Everything west from sweden,germany and italy is "western europe" generally speaking

But "central Europe" is, and was a thing prior to the cold war. Basically everything under Hapsburg control was designated as such. Besides, it's correct from a geographic perspective. That all changed once the iron curtain went up due to political designation.

 

[JbModest]

Good for them
That's the way to do it. Make it cheaper for people having kids, if you want a stable population.
There are a few towns that have had success with this in Japan. They made it cheap to have kids. After is free up to a point, school is free til 18, and medical is free as well til 18

That does it; I'm moving to Japan!

 

[Bald1]

Mostly Jews and Austrians that were part of the Austro-Hungary empire. Hungary invested heavily in education but didn't allow peasants to study so Jews and Germans/Austrians took up these positions, mostly. Austria was the more western part while Hungary the more Eastern, less developed part.
Anyway, after the Soviets took control of the area it became a communist/eastern shit hole but it's progressing.

Well, yes and no. Hungary is over represented in science, sports and entertainment. Now take the following with a grain of salt as they will claim anyone that a Magyar has ever sneezed at as a Hungarian, but some of the names will surprise many.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hungarian_Nobel_laureates

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hungarian_Americans

http://hungarianconsulate.com/great-hungarian-sports-figures/


Not too bad for a shit hole with ruch a small population. Then again it's what makes them so arrogant and insufferable - trying to cash in on former glories and the accomplishments of others for unearned respect. I have a love/hate relationship with my former countrymen.

 

[ElKarlo]

That does it; I'm moving to Japan!

Haha it's like three towns. But I do get cash every month for my two kids

 

[ElKarlo]

But "central Europe" is, and was a thing prior to the cold war. Basically everything under Hapsburg control was designated as such. Besides, it's correct from a geographic perspective. That all changed once the iron curtain went up due to political designation.

Yeah with old Austria Hungary and pre WWII east Germany was definitely central Europe, as was much of Austria Hungary. Even west Germany is still somewhat central Europe depending on who you talk to.

 

[Squarechoke]

There is no freedom of speech in Sweden or Germany so wtf are you talking about ?

It very much about immigration, forcing muslims on nations is the issue. Merkel invited them Germany and Sweden can have them all or deport them. If you don't want all those mulsims start deporting their ass's, don't try to force other nations to take them in to full fill your insane multiculturalism delusion.

I'm talking about how you're too ignorant to talk about the subject. Not that it's not amusing in its own way, especially with that extremely weak troll attempt. Pretty standard fare for a "new" account posting though.

 

[Prutfis]

Maybe they should try to make Hungary a non 3rd world shithole that is surviving on eu funds

America was strongest when:

We promoted marriage, not shacking up and aborting our own babies

When we honored family, the Bible and God

When we honored hard work, not socialism and entitlement

When the rest of the world's manufacturing capabilities were bombed to shit

When you had extremely high tax rates and actually cared about other people

You fucking bumpkin

 

[Prutfis]

Eastern europe is the future

Western europe has a some kind of civil war in the horizon (worst case scenario)

Lol. Eastern Europe is mainly 3rd world shitholes who wouldn't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of if it wasn't for western Europeans funding their bum lives

 

[panamaican]

When the white people go from looking like this...

...to this...

...That's when you're in Eastern Europe.

That's still a geographic thing. They're still white people, still part of European history, still part of the empires that included Germany and such. Which is why "the West" is in quotations marks, because the delineation isn't strictly about geographic placement. Unless you're saying "west of X, but not further than Y", which would be a new way of describing it to me.

 

[I am your real dad]

That is actually a great idea.

Better than the US giving mothers welfare if they don't get married.

 

[EyeOfNewt]

Normally I would not agree with this, but given the fact their population is actually going down which is insane given how rare that is anywhere in the world, it might be necessary.

However Orban needs to ask himself why so many people want to leave. Wages are shit in Hungary, just like Romania. Politicians are corrupt on basically every level of government, just like in Romania. A higher population isn't necessarily going to change those things unless they fix their other issues as well.

The problem with Romania and I should know since i lived there is that people are hard bent on immitating the West, to a point where it's detrimental to the overall improvement. No good can come off immitating decadent cultures. There are of course good things that may be learned from the west, but the way it comes across is that people are more keen to borrow the bad stuff. Open the TV in Romania and what you're most likely to see is a bunch of scantily clad skanks getting showered with money by some ridiculous "singer". I'm talking about hip hop culture. Or the rise of "socialites" lol.

People are increasingly greedy and self-centered. It's the me, me, me! times. Usually people plan kids when they're done with the selfish phase, but nowadays people don't seem to grow out of it

I'll add that national pride is also a factor determining population growth. What are romanians proud of these days? I won't be vulgar and tell you what. If you look back on Nadia Comaneci, Coanda (jet engine), Paulescu (insulin), Eugen Ionescu (famed French writer) and so on. It's a motivating factor when you're considering a family. After all no one is going to invest effort in a failed venture, right? But these are all icons of the distant past and as of recently Romania has little to be proud of. Shit politicians selling their country to the highest bidder.

My point is no one is going to bring a child in a place he or she is ashamed of.

 

[Rygu]

The problem with Romania and I should know since i lived there is that people are hard bent on immitating the West, to a point where it's detrimental to the overall improvement. No good can come off immitating decadent cultures. There are of course good things that may be learned from the west, but the way it comes across is that people are more keen to borrow the bad stuff. Open the TV in Romania and what you're most likely to see is a bunch of scantily clad skanks getting showered with money by some ridiculous "singer". I'm talking about hip hop culture. Or the rise of "socialites" lol.

People are increasingly greedy and self-centered. It's the me, me, me! times. Usually people plan kids when they're done with the selfish phase, but nowadays people don't seem to grow out of it

I'll add that national pride is also a factor determining population growth. What are romanians proud of these days? I won't be vulgar and tell you what. If you look back on Nadia Comaneci, Coanda (jet engine), Paulescu (insulin), Eugen Ionescu (famed French writer) and so on. It's a motivating factor when you're considering a family. After all no one is going to invest effort in a failed venture, right? But these are all icons of the distant past and as of recently Romania has little to be proud of. Shit politicians selling their country to the highest bidder.

My point is no one is going to bring a child in a place he or she is ashamed of.

You make good points, one of my closest friends is from Romania. She moved to Holland because the wages in Romania are pretty bad. It definitely seems to be a country on the decline as far as standard of living is concerned. Similar to Hungary, and like Hungary, it used to be a much better place to live decades ago. Kids are just too expensive these days, and if one is barely getting by as it is having a kid or two just seems like a bad idea.

Which is kind of a shame since Romanian women are bloody gorgeous.