International Orban: "We do not need numbers. We need Hungarian children."

Venezuela is a dictatorship. Stop spamming it like it's fucking socialist Valhalla, I don't like Maduro, I did not like Chavez.

So is pretty much any country that has established a planned economy.

Free markets is anathema to dictatorships, thats why Pinochet fell.
 
Because again, its a London 10 we are talking about, and they never budged on the single market issue.
Greece got 289 billion euros to stay in. Let's see how much Hungary is offered.
 
well you don't fix brain drain by bringing in unskilled, culturally different immigrants...

so it's a point in the right direction, but doesn't address why so many youth are leaving for 'greener' pastures so to speak
Most of the youth are leaving for better opportunities, of course.

The thing people want to ignore is that these are EU citizens going to work and live in EU countries. It's disingenuous to say they're immigrating. A better analogy is Puerto Ricans living and working in the US. Citizens moving between member states labeled as "immigration" is just a desperate attempt at making a gotcha point and a good way of seeing who's talking out their ass or has an agenda.
 
Most of the youth are leaving for better opportunities, of course.

The thing people want to ignore is that these are EU citizens going to work and live in EU countries. It's disingenuous to say they're immigrating. A better analogy is Puerto Ricans living and working in the US. Citizens moving between member states labeled as "immigration" is just a desperate attempt at making a gotcha point and a good way of seeing who's talking out their ass or has an agenda.
There are more Puerto Ricans in the US than in Puerto Rico. My Puerto Rican even friend wonders aloud why there are even any left on the island at all and why they haven't all just moved to the US.

So if anything that example proves the opposite point you're trying to make mate. Not only that isn't your family of Hungarian descent but living in Canada? So even your own family left the shithole behind for the West.
 
Greece got 289 billion euros to stay in. Let's see how much Hungary is offered.

Greece got bailouts because a default would had dragged the entire Eurozone into a crisis. Greece is still deep in debt.

Hungary isnt getting crap to stay in, because so far they havent even entertained the idea of leaving. So the whole "We dont care about the economy, is just BS".
 
There are more Puerto Ricans in the US than in Puerto Rico. My Puerto Rican even friend wonders aloud why there are even any left on the island at all and why they haven't all just moved to the US.

So if anything that example proves the opposite point you're trying to make mate. Not only that isn't your family of Hungarian descent but living in Canada? So even your own family left the shithole behind for the West.
Hungary's not the West?

Completely serious question - what is it then?
 
Its in Central Europe making it distinct from the West from my POV.
So Central European is not the West. Not trying to be a dick but I'm always befuddled by where European countries stand in the definition of "the West". And when they're not part of the West, do they have a group nomenclature?
 
So Central European is not the West. Not trying to be a dick but I'm always befuddled by where European countries stand in the definition of "the West". And when they're not part of the West, do they have a group nomenclature?
For me the West refers to the culture of Western Europe and the countries of the world whose language and demographic majorities descend from Western Europe.
 
For me the West refers to the culture of Western Europe and the countries of the world whose language and demographic majorities descend from Western Europe.
I get that, I'm just always curious where the end of "Western Europe" is. Hungary has a large percentage of blond haired, blue eyed citizens which I've always assumed met the superficial demographic category. Like if blond haired, blue eyed Europeans and their nations are part of "the West" then that definition is even vaguer to me than I originally thought.

And they were part of the Hapsburg monarchy (lot of historical detail which I'm just simplifying...before the historians eviscerate me) which include modern Germany, Austria, Switzerland, etc. And those countries are in "the West".

It's not an important thing, it just surprised me to hear them described as outside of the West.
 
There are more Puerto Ricans in the US than in Puerto Rico. My Puerto Rican even friend wonders aloud why there are even any left on the island at all and why they haven't all just moved to the US.

So if anything that example proves the opposite point you're trying to make mate. Not only that isn't your family of Hungarian descent but living in Canada? So even your own family left the shithole behind for the West.
You keep saying Hungary is a shit hole makes you look foolish. There are thousands of Western Euros living there and vacationing in Balaton with more moving there daily.

As for us living in Canada? It's one of the best countries to live in.

"According to the Canada 2006 Census, 316,350 Canadians reported American as being their ethnicity, at least partially. There are also between 900,000 and 2 million Americans living in Canada, either as full-time or part-time residents."

So does that make the US a shit hole as well? Nevermind that the iron curtain was still up when we left and my dad was close to being "on the list" making our exit one of urgency rather than convenience.

I know you're just trying to score points due to the Hungarian people's anti-Islam stance, but it really isn't working. Blood, history and culture places Hungarians closer to western Europe than any Islamic country. It's really not a debate.
 
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The Hungarian conservative party is making sense. They don't want their neighborhoods to be overrun with Islam like London. The UK, Germany and Sweden are all having problems with Islamic immigrants and their offspring. Islamic countries are all ruined by Islam, and the west needs to keep them from coming over, bringing their ideals and culture and ruining ours too.

Nah they were ruined by western aggression.
 
I get that, I'm just always curious where the end of "Western Europe" is. Hungary has a large percentage of blond haired, blue eyed citizens which I've always assumed met the superficial demographic category. Like if blond haired, blue eyed Europeans and their nations are part of "the West" then that definition is even vaguer to me than I originally thought.

And they were part of the Hapsburg monarchy (lot of historical detail which I'm just simplifying...before the historians eviscerate me) which include modern Germany, Austria, Switzerland, etc. And those countries are in "the West".

It's not an important thing, it just surprised me to hear them described as outside of the West.
They were from outside the West. Over 1100 years ago. Then, within a hundred years the country converted to Christianity, adopted the Roman numeral system as well as a version of the alphabet.

There was an effort by various German powers over the last 700 years to repopulate the country in order to keep theit buffer zone healthy and able. The mongols twice, various eastern incursions and the Ottoman wars saw the population cut in half over and over again to the point there's less than 10% of the original bloodline left. Hungarians are mostly of Slavic and Germania descent and have appropriated quite a bit ftom both cultures. The only thing that makes a Hungarian is the language.

Kafir-kun is just grasping at straws. Plain and simple.
 
You keep saying Hungary is a shit hole makes you look foolish. There are thousands of Western Euros living there and vacationing in Balaton with more moving there daily.
Thousands of Western Euros live and vacation in Morocco too, I guess that makes Morocco a developed Western country.
As for us living in Canada? It's one of the best countries to live in.

"According to the Canada 2006 Census, 316,350 Canadians reported American as being their ethnicity, at least partially. There are also between 900,000 and 2 million Americans living in Canada, either as full-time or part-time residents."

So does that make the US a shit hole as well? Nevermind that the iron curtain was still up when we left and my dad was close to being "on the list" making our exit one of urgency rather than convenience.
Roughly 700,000 Canadians live in the US so as a proportion more of Canada's population comes here than the reverse. So if anything you guys live in the shithole though I prefer the more specific term frozen wasteland.
I know you're just trying to score points during to the Hungarian people's anti-Islam stance, but it really isn't working. Blood, history and culture places Hungarians closer to western Europe than any Islamic country. It's really not a debate.
I never said otherwise though so that's a strawman. Try again.

I don't care if a backwards Central European shithole is anti-Islam, I have no desire to go there or even learn about such a country. But the double standard on this forum when it comes to that place is glaring. Even though they lag behind in development and are sliding towards authoritarianism because they parrot anti-Islam, anti-immigrant, and anti-SJW talking points guys like you clap like trained seals for them. You guys are like Erdogan supporters in that way.
 
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They were from outside the West. Over 1100 years ago. Then, within a hundred years the country converted to Christianity, adopted the Roman numeral system as well as a version of the alphabet.

There was an effort by various German powers over the last 700 years to repopulate the country in order to keep theit buffer zone healthy and able. The mongols twice, various eastern incursions and the Ottoman wars saw the population cut in half over and over again to the point there's less than 10% of the original bloodline left. Hungarians are mostly of Slavic and Germania descent and have appropriated quite a bit ftom both cultures. The only thing that makes a Hungarian is the language.

Kafir-kun is just grasping at straws. Plain and simple.
The Ottomans ruled over parts of Europe for hundreds of years and the Turks have now adopted the Latin script, I guess that means per your logic they are now part of the West. Heck they were actually on the Western side of the Cold War unlike Hungary.
 
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