No one ducked no one

It's wild you guys say more than the man himself on his career all to keep a god fearing black man down.
 
Cool now explain why Aspinall had to defend and interim title before Jon vs Stipe was booked for the 2nd time.
 
wolffanghameha said:
He waited until Francis left to start his transition to HW. That's unlikely to be a coincidence. Before that he said that the 10M offered wasn't enough to fight Ngannou (no evidence Jon accepted the fight. There's only evidence that he declined, since he said 10M wasn't enough). He got 3.6M when he beat DC the first time, according to the antitrust lawsuit (disclosed pay was 500K), so 10M was 3x his usual payout. I wish the payouts for the HW bouts with Gane and Miocic were released, because if they're way under 10M, it confirms he ducked Ngannou. In the history books, it should say that he avoided the fight with Ngannou, because from a sports perspective he did.
Maybe he was trying to get his justified payday for such a huge fight, but he still avoided a fight that Francis for a long time was willing to take. Therefore one ducked the other. Everything about Francis leaving the UFC is irrelevant, because he'd already waited years for Jones by then. There's no reason for him to believe Jones will sign the fight, when Jones for 3 years had only shown signs of avoiding the fight. Ngannou waited out his contract, because by then he'd already sacrificed time, if he fought someone else he'd be stuck in a UFC contract again and then be waiting for JJ to come up, which maybe never happens, because JJ didn't want the fight. JJ probs just stays at LHW if Ngannou stays in the UFC.

Now he's ducking Aspinall. When Tom was polite, he wasn't interested. When Tom started trash talking, he claimed Tom was too rude. He claimed nobody is interested in Aspinall, then fights Miocic who nobody cared about. Now he's talking about Poatan, who isn't a HW and isn't the interim champ and unlike Tom has never been ranked #1 at HW. He's not the undisputed best HW - he's not fought the two top HWs of his HW era.
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Two apex predators sizing each other up, and you think one of them just waddled away like a sitting duck? Come on... this ain't a pond — it's the deep end, and neither was diving in without the right catch.
 
kuroro said:
i thought he agreed
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Did I miss something? Is Jon vs Tom booked?
Jon and the UFC plowed ahead with the Stipe fight despite there being an Interim Champion.
Jon has openly avoided that fight rattling off a list of reasons why he shouldn't fight Tom.

Jon has said and I paraphrase:
"Beating Tom does nothing for my Legacy. If I beat him nothing changes for me but if I lose..."
I in fact see it completely differently. Jon is the GOAT LHW but as a HW I don't even consider him a champion. He won a vacant title against a hand picked opponent. That is always the possibility for a vacant title since there is no criteria. An org chooses 2 guys, sometimes its just out of a hat, other times it will be the last champion and the next #1 contender.

Cyril Gane is the exact fighter I would have chosen for Jon. A kickboxer with no real one shot KO power, no wrestling either offensive or defensive. Jon had no reason to fear anything from Cyril in that fight. Gane isn't landing a single KO kill shot. He isn't taking Jon down and subbing him. He isn't staying on the outside and winning a point fighting battle in a 5 round decision.

Derrick Lewis had a better chance against Jon.

Beating Stipe would have meant a ton for Jon's Legacy if he had moved from LHW to HW right away.
Stipe was 233 lbs against DC in Aug 2020. Jon weighed 222.5 lbs at UFC 232 against Gustafsson in Dec 2018. Fighters don't cut weight (water weight) from their "Walk Around" weight. They diet down to get as lean as possible. Jon likely adds 5-10 lbs without any need for adding "Muscle" to be very close to Stipe. Waiting for Stipe to have been inactive for 3+ years and 42 years old makes that win lesser. Add the fact that Tom was holding an Interim title and actually had defended it makes it worthless IMO.

If Jon wants to add to his Legacy he needs to show he is truly great at HW. That means beating Tom. Losing to Tom means he lost to a great HW. Its his one and only shot at surpassing GSP as the actual GOAT of GOATs.
 
Jon retired for 3 yrs when Ngannou was the champ and coincidently came back when Ngannou left. Also refused/refuses to fight the interim champ and selected to fight a retire guy that got KO’ed in his last fight 4 yrs ago.

Bones is the biggest duck in UFC history!
 
Ngannou knew a loss to Jon would be devastating for his future financial options. Jon beats him and he's no longer the champ. Without being the UFC HW champ he'd never get these boxing opportunities. He'd never get PFL to basically spend their entire year budget paying him to fight a can. He definitely wouldn't be getting as much media coverage as he does..

It was high risk high reward for ngannou. He beats Jon and he goes down the best fighter ever. He loses to Jon and he goes back to being a nobody.
 
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bjjwar said:
Jon retired for 3 yrs when Ngannou was the champ and coincidently came back when Ngannou left. Also refused/refuses to fight the interim champ and selected to fight a retire guy that got KO’ed in his last fight 4 yrs ago.

Bones is the biggest duck in UFC history!
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Y'all be making things up.

Even Ngannou came out and says Jon wanted to fight and he wanted to fight and DW/UFC was the problem preventing the fight. Ngannou has said Jon was never scared to fight him.

And y'all are stupid. Stipe vs Jon was scheduled BEFORE there even was an interim heavyweight champ idea had been come up with. BEFORE.

And word on the vine is that Jon and Tom are set to fight during international fight week. All parties have agreed and the fight is signed. It's just that the UFC is waiting to announce it when they want to.

That's how Ariel got fried from the UFC. Because he publicly announced a fight that had be scheduled before the UFC wanted it announced to the public.
 
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healthy rational take, even if you are a rabid jones fan

Bend NvR Break said:
Ngannou knew a loss to Jon would be devastating for his future financial options. Jon beats him and he's no longer the champ. Without being the UFC HW champ he'd never get this boxing opportunities. He'd never get PFL to basically spend their entire year budget paying him to fight a can. He definitely wouldn't be getting as much media coverage as he does..

It was high risk high reward for ngannou. He beats Jon and he goes down the best fighter ever. He loses to Jon and he goes back to being a nobody.
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I see it the same way. Ngannou wanted to fight jones, but not BEFORE the boxing stuff, because if he fights jones before the boxing stuff and loses, he can kiss it all good bye. Francis did the right thing for himself taking the boxing fight while it was still on the table
 
RockyLockridge said:
healthy rational take, even if you are a rabid jones fan



I see it the same way. Ngannou wanted to fight jones, but not BEFORE the boxing stuff, because if he fights jones before the boxing stuff and loses, he can kiss it all good bye. Francis did the right thing for himself taking the boxing fight while it was still on the table
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I've always said that Ngannou lost the battle with the UFC but won the war.

Leaving the UFC with the HW title was the best thing Ngannou could've done for himself. He's probably earned over $100 mill since leaving the UFC. On paper between 2 boxing match's purses alone he's cleared over $30 mil.

He made the best decision for himself. Forget about whatever anyone else thinks.

But the deal with PFL does sound like a elite XXL fight promotion situation with Kimbo. When Seth lost knocked out Kimbo it fucked the company and they went belly up. PFL has invested so much money into Ngannou that if he loses anytime soon they with feel some serious pain.
 
Only Here for Attachments said:
Sherdog: "Fighters need to be paid more!"
Jon Jones: *asks for more money*
Sherdog: "NOT LIKE THAT!!!"
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Youre a cow brained retard if you don't think Jones was purposefully pricing himself out of the Ngannou fight. He's doing it again with Aspinall

I bet he would've fought Stipe for half what he's asked for to get into the cage with Tom
 
If Jones wanted to fight Ngannou and Aspinall he would have fought them by now

He might be a loose cannon out of the cage but he's very smart about his career.
 
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