No Limit Hold 'Em Poker Discussion

[Michaelangelo]

Got cleaned out last night for about a grand in 1 hand. How dumb was I here.

I got about 1000 in front of me (2-5)

I had QsQc. Flop. QdAcKc.. I flip a set with 2 high backdoor draws.

I check. (5 in hand) another person bets 50. I'm only caller.

Turn. 10c. Now I have royal, nut flush draw, Broadway draw and trips.

I bet 100. He goes over ne an raises to all in. Now I'm stuck as that make me all in as he has alot more chips. I'm now thinking there's atcleast a 50/50 chance he has kk ,AJ,or AA or a made flush. But my draws are crazy even if beat and I'm sitting with trips (granted low trips on flop) .

I call a 2d hits. He rolls over AA and I get felted n go home early.



Could any of yall of laid that hsnd down at the all in turn bet?

How was the pre flop action?

you should have bet the flop and check called the turn.

 

[Fugazy]

Without knowing pre-flop action, hard to tell......don't see why having anymore bullets should matter. If you're scared money, shouldn't be playing.

As I say I don't believe any 2/5 game plays that poorly. QQ is little more than a bluff catcher there.

It's not scared money, it's about the session.

He didn't bring any more bullets, I'm putting myself in his shoes to give an opinion on how I would play his spot. Those are all factors that matter when you are out for a night of cash games.

Also, in what poker world do stack sizes, relative or actual, not matter?

 

[LEWIS540]

It's not scared money, it's about the session.

He didn't bring any more bullets, I'm putting myself in his shoes to give an opinion on how I would play his spot. Those are all factors that matter when you are out for a night of cash games.

Also, in what poker world do stack sizes, relative or actual, not matter?

Your decision should absolutely not be effected due to how many bullets you have. Ridiculous to say otherwise.

“I would have called, but didn’t want to go broke” is the definition of scared money.

Bring more money or player a smaller game.

Who said stack sizes don’t matter? Of course they do, more than just about anything.

 

[Fugazy]

Your decision should absolutely not be effected due to how many bullets you have. Ridiculous to say otherwise.


Who said stack sizes don’t matter? Of course they do, more than just about anything.

No, fuck that, you are wrong.

If you are in a No rebuy tourney you have to consider whether the hand you are in can knock you out or not.

If your plan is to have a long night at the cash tables and you don't have any more bullets you have to consider if the hand you are in can felt you or not.

If you aren't considering that as part of the decision process when stack are getting in to the pot, you are missing a big part of the process. I guarantee, literally guarantee, that the villains are considering whether they have you covered if they can knock you out and what that means when they bet, bluff, or make any decisions.

We're playing with incomplete information. You have to consider all the information you have.

 

[LEWIS540]

No, fuck that, you are wrong.

If you are in a No rebuy tourney you have to consider whether the hand you are in can knock you out or not.

If your plan is to have a long night at the cash tables and you don't have any more bullets you have to consider if the hand you are in can felt you or not.

If you aren't considering that as part of the decision process when stack are getting in to the pot, you are missing a big part of the process. I guarantee, literally guarantee, that the villains are considering whether they have you covered if they can knock you out and what that means when they bet, bluff, or make any decisions.

We're playing with incomplete information. You have to consider all the information you have.

No you are wrong. It’s not even debatable.

Tournie might be different, but cash game absolutely not.

 

[Fugazy]

No you are wrong. It’s not even debatable.

Tournie might be different, but cash game absolutely not.

I believe that is your philosophy for you

And thats fine.

As I very clearly stated, if I were in his shoes my decision making would be different. I wouldn't do this for myself, but hypothetically if I were in a cash game with one bullet, my decision making would be different until I double up or better and have more chips to play with.

If I had more bullets, I'd be more open to gambling, making certain plays or folds, and testing whether certain players are bluffing or weak or not.

If you don't adapt your play based on your bankroll or based on your available cash, or who can or can't felt you, then you aren't making the best decisions possible for your situation. That's it.

 

[LEWIS540]

I believe that is your philosophy for you

And thats fine.

As I very clearly stated, if I were in his shoes my decision making would be different. I wouldn't do this for myself, but hypothetically if I were in a cash game with one bullet, my decision making would be different until I double up or better and have more chips to play with.

If I had more bullets, I'd be more open to gambling, making certain plays or folds, and testing whether certain players are bluffing or weak or not.

If you don't adapt your play based on your bankroll or based on your available cash, or who can or can't felt you, then you aren't making the best decisions possible for your situation. That's it.

It’s just basic gambling 101. Not about personal style or philosophy. If you can’t afford to lose or be wrong, you’re in the wrong game. It’s basically just a game of odds and math and making the best decisions based on the information you have.

Playing differently because you’re scared to go broke is obviously a massive flaw.

If you’re flipping and someone gives you 2-1 on a coin flip, you take it, regardless if it’s your last dollar. Otherwise gambling is not for you.



*I’m assuming he means it’s his last $1000 he has on him, not in his life…..otherwise that’s an even bigger problem.

 

[Fugazy]

It’s just basic gambling 101. Not about personal style or philosophy. If you can’t afford to lose or be wrong, you’re in the wrong game. It’s basically just a game of odds and math and making the best decisions based on the information you have.

Playing differently because you’re scared to go broke is obviously a massive flaw.

If you’re flipping and someone gives you 2-1 on a coin flip, you take it, regardless if it’s your last dollar. Otherwise gambling is not for you.



*I’m assuming he means it’s his last $1000 he has on him, not in his life…..otherwise that’s an even bigger problem.

It's about his goals for that session.

I don't have any reason to think he's broke or needed that money for his groceries, or that he was "scared to go broke" but he was clearly looking to play more that night and was salty he got felted. Let's say I'm in Europe and I forgot to bring Euros and I only have so much USD. If I want to be at those tables all night, it's going to affect how I decide when to play a crazy draw, like what he posted. Do I want the story of hitting a royal or do I want to feel out this poker room and play until 3am?

If you aren't taking into consideration when your stack is at risk, and combining that with what you want to accomplish at the table for that session then you aren't maximizing your time at the table.

Cash and bankroll management is part of that. That's it.

It's like you keep thinking about your meta approach and aren't actually looking at what he posted.

 

[Domitian]

No, fuck that, you are wrong.

If you are in a No rebuy tourney you have to consider whether the hand you are in can knock you out or not.

If your plan is to have a long night at the cash tables and you don't have any more bullets you have to consider if the hand you are in can felt you or not.

If you aren't considering that as part of the decision process when stack are getting in to the pot, you are missing a big part of the process. I guarantee, literally guarantee, that the villains are considering whether they have you covered if they can knock you out and what that means when they bet, bluff, or make any decisions.

We're playing with incomplete information. You have to consider all the information you have.

Tournaments and cash games are wildly different from each other, and for obvious reasons. They are different games. Dude was right, how the fuck do 5 people get to the flop with AA in one guys hand and QQ in another? No offense to that guy, it's hard to judge hands with little info. It's not even clear what position he was in when that's the first thing I look at every hand I enter.

 

[Fugazy]

Tournaments and cash games are wildly different from each other, and for obvious reasons. They are different games. Dude was right, how the fuck do 5 people get to the flop with AA in one guys hand and QQ in another?

That part of his post is perfectly fair.

I'm responding to that posters question though, which is whether you'd be able to fold his hand on the turn, with all the info he gave and the draws, etc. And how he framed his feeling about being felted.

Again, I'm putting myself in his shoes.

 

[Domitian]

That part of his post is perfectly fair.

I'm responding to that posters question though, which is whether you'd be able to fold his hand on the turn, with all the info he gave and the draws, etc. And how he framed his feeling about being felted.

Again, I'm putting myself in his shoes.

No offense taken lol. Congratulations on your first tournament bink.

 

[Fugazy]

No offense taken lol. Congratulations on your first tournament bink.

Certainly no offense. I don't think anyone has to agree with me. We all have our own philosophies on how to play this easy game.

That's what makes it so special.

 

[Steveston]

Played on & off for years, mainly online the casino's have players that buy-in with a lot and they dedicate the game. PokerStars is my go too, it's a game of patience and knowing how to play a hand when the time's right. Bit more skilled involved than my roulette habit lol... won a few minor tourneys online.
Still want to learn how to play ultimate texas hold em' but still don't quite get it. Omaha is interesting.

 

[kennethgriffin]

poker is all about reading your opponent and knowing how he plays. which is why daniel degraneau is the best ever. he makes the boldest calls and catches guys bluffing seemingly every game.

the worst at reading other players out of the top guys has to be phil hellmuth. he's never right and plays too much by the book. its so easy to tell when he has something. he's quick to act and way more serious/hiding himself. the key is to put off the same vibe no matter what you have like daniel

 

[LEWIS540]

poker is all about reading your opponent and knowing how he plays. which is why daniel degraneau is the best ever. he makes the boldest calls and catches guys bluffing seemingly every game.

the worst at reading other players out of the top guys has to be phil hellmuth. he's never right and plays too much by the book. its so easy to tell when he has something. he's quick to act and way more serious/hiding himself. the key is to put off the same vibe no matter what you have like daniel

 

[kennethgriffin]

posters here are quite lazy with their responses. so far all i've seen is

- tldr
- .gif

no wonder this place is completely unknown. only reason i found it was from a link on ISH


please tell me how much you love phil or hate daniel or think reading opponents doesn't matter. i'd love to see it but you're an amateur

 

[LEWIS540]

posters here are quite lazy with their responses. so far all i've seen is

- tldr
- .gif

no wonder this place is completely unknown. only reason i found it was from a link on ISH


please tell me how much you love phil or hate daniel or think reading opponents doesn't matter. i'd love to see it but you're an amateur

LOL

You seem upset, snowflake.

 

[LEWIS540]

I miss Ken.

 

[Fugazy]

I miss Ken.

We hardly knew ye

 

[LEWIS540]

We hardly knew ye

Bad beat.