No Limit Hold 'Em Poker Discussion

[LEWIS540]

I don’t like how that first hand played out.

I think him jacking it up to 15x the bb when you already raised 5x is questionable, but at that point you should have had a strong sense that he was holding a powerful hand. Even if he overplayed it initially. I wouldn’t have been very confident in my KQs after that 4 bet and then the flop.

Honestly though, I am very surprised that he called your river bet. Despite how I don’t love the preflop decisions, that’s kind of a loose call on his part.

He 5xed from the small blind, then I re-raised from the bb, not the other way round.

4-6x was the standard pre raise, for some reason......


He said afterwards the only hands he thought I'd re-raise pre, then 3 barrel were AA and AK and he didn't put me on either. I mean he called and won, so fair play, but the logic was a bit dodgy, imo. 10 10, A 10 were obvious possibilities. Hell, QQ and KK targeting AJ and AQ too.

Think it's a bad call tbh. Probably should fold the turn, even. I was trying to get him too fold AJ or maybe even AQ!!!!!! Only hand I was expecting to see when he called was AK, really (obviously he's reraising all FHs).

D'oh.

 

[Fugazy]

He 5xed from the small blind, then I re-raised from the bb, not the other way round.

4-6x was the standard pre raise, for some reason......


He said afterwards the only hands he thought I'd re-raise pre, then 3 barrel were AA and AK and he didn't put me on either. I mean he called and won, so fair play, but the logic was a bit dodgy, imo. 10 10, A 10 were obvious possibilities. Hell, QQ and KK targeting AJ and AQ too.

Think it's a bad call tbh. Probably should fold the turn, even. I was trying to get him too fold AJ or maybe even AQ!!!!!! Only hand I was expecting to see when he called was AK, really (obviously he's reraising all FHs).

D'oh.

Oh jeeze I read that wrong.

Man I probably would have folded that JJ after the 4 bet, it’s really not a great hand in a lot of positions. Can be really uncomfortable to play in big spots.

Seems to me he was plain determined to call that all the way down, that’s why his logic sounds like bs lol.

 

[LEWIS540]

Oh jeeze I read that wrong.

Man I probably would have folded that JJ after the 4 bet, it’s really not a great hand in a lot of positions. Can be really uncomfortable to play in big spots.

Seems to me he was plain determined to call that all the way down, that’s why his logic sounds like bs lol.

Yeah.

On the one hand you're like, wow good call, on the other hand it's like, how the fuck did that just happen.

 

[MeanStreets]

Played hold'em for first time in ages yesterday.

2/2 Ran pretty well for 2-3 hours running a 200 stack up to about 650, showing zero bluffs.

Then

KcQc in bb. Folds around to sb(who is deep stacked) who makes it 10. I re raise to 30. He calls.

Flop Ah 10d 4c. He checks. I bet 35. He calls

Turn 9c. He checks. I bet 75. He calls.

River 4d. He checks. I bet 210. He tanks for a good 5 minutes then calls with JJ.



3 hands later with J9, on a board of 7 8 3 10 2, I river bet 140 into a pot of 200, and he open folds 88.



Was I Mike Postled?

I guess the only question about the KQ hand is if you had any previous history, or knew what type of player, or had any reads on the villain. You played it fine though for a regular 2/2 game, without knowing all the nuances of the table and your image.

I do prefer a bigger 3-bet sizing with $650 being the effective stack at 2/2, you were also in position therefore 3x is not bad at all there, though I'd prefer to go with a larger 3-bet sizing deep stacked. I'd likely go $40, but it depends on the table dynamics, that specific player, and your image.

You played it like you had AQ or AK there, since he blocks AJ and you would likely bet bigger on the river with A 10. You could definitely have any combo of QJ however (the turn bet makes sense with this hand) he blocks that, and your specific hand of Kc Qc. If he was holding the Jc, they youre even more likely to have AK or AQ. He may have considered 10 9 suited on the turn, however that would not make sense when you bet for value on the river. Ac 5c would also make sense until the river bet.

Villain must have been thinking you either have AK, AQ or QJ suited (he blocks the J though so thats unlikely), or your exact hand Kc Qc. It seems like you played it well, unfortunate to get to showdown there. I definitely dont think I could make the call there with JJ if I was the villain and there was no history, especially when im not holding an A, K, or Q.

One more thing, sometimes I'll mix in a larger turn bet when I pick up a combo draw, but again it just depends on the specific dynamics. Well played, GL!

 

[SaiWa]

Played hold'em for first time in ages yesterday.

2/2 Ran pretty well for 2-3 hours running a 200 stack up to about 650, showing zero bluffs.

Then

KcQc in bb. Folds around to sb(who is deep stacked) who makes it 10. I re raise to 30. He calls.

Flop Ah 10d 4c. He checks. I bet 35. He calls

Turn 9c. He checks. I bet 75. He calls.

River 4d. He checks. I bet 210. He tanks for a good 5 minutes then calls with JJ.



3 hands later with J9, on a board of 7 8 3 10 2, I river bet 140 into a pot of 200, and he open folds 88.


Was I Mike Postled?

Guuuuh...

With that first hand you did say he was deep stacked. If that was for all his chips I could see the guy fold more easily. Still a shitty call but we are all prone to making those stubborn calls.


With the second hand was there a potential flush on the board? Maybe he though you got your flush too? Gutsy fold if that was rainbow. I've folded sets on boards like that but I am 95% more likely to call.

 

[LEWIS540]

Guuuuh...

With that first hand you did say he was deep stacked. If that was for all his chips I could see the guy fold more easily. Still a shitty call but we are all prone to making those stubborn calls.

Both were around the 650 mark. Actually considered the 2x pot over-bet on the river, opted for the more standard size, for no real reason......thought it was a case he was either gonna call or fold regardless of bet size.

As I said, thought he'd fold AJ and probably AQ, and call with AK. Everything else was either a raise or a fold.

At the time thought I played it fairly standard and he played it poorly every step and got lucky with a 10% hero call, but I guess you have to make them every so often.

With the second hand was there a potential flush on the board? Maybe he though you got your flush too? Gutsy fold if that was rainbow. I've folded sets on boards like that but I am 95% more likely to call.

Nope. Straight was the nuts.

Was checked around on the flop, 3 ways too.....so now idea how he didn't raise, let alone a found the fold.

Not one to call corruption every time I lose, but sometimes you do wonder!

 

[LEWIS540]

2/2 Holdem from Saturday

Hand 1: (AdJd). Everyone between 250-400.

Raise from mid position to 8. I call on cut off. Both blinds call.

Flop- Ac 2h 7d. Checks around.
Turn- Jc. Blinds check. Original raiser bets 30. I raise to 80. Blinds fold. Raiser goes all in for around 320.

What do you do?

Hand 2: (9c10c). Both stacked around 500.

I raise a straddled pot pre to 12 from cut-off. Button raises to 25. Folds to me. I call.

Flop- Kd9d2c. I check call a bet of 30.
Turn- 4s. Check, check.
River- 9s. I check. Button bets 55. I raise to 130. Button goes all in for around 420.

What do you do?

 

[Fugazy]

2/2 Holdem from Saturday

Hand 1: (AdJd). Everyone between 250-400.

Raise from mid position to 8. I call on cut off. Both blinds call.

Flop- Ac 2h 7d. Checks around.
Turn- Jc. Blinds check. Original raiser bets 30. I raise to 80. Blinds fold. Raiser goes all in for around 320.

What do you do?

Hand 2: (9c10c). Both stacked around 500.

I raise a straddled pot pre to 12 from cut-off. Button raises to 25. Folds to me. I call.

Flop- Kd9d2c. I check call a bet of 30.
Turn- 4s. Check, check.
River- 9s. I check. Button bets 55. I raise to 130. Button goes all in for around 420.

What do you do?

Hand 1 there is a straight and a flush draw on the board that could be completed by the River. I’d expect the villain to be holding almost any Broadway cards weaker than A-Q and any pair, 10-10 or below as it was only raised to 8. You are blocking JJ so that’s possible, but unlikely.

You are likely ahead when you hit second pair but you can lose that hand. My guess is they have a good draw + a pair. Maybe an Ace with a weak kicker. I’d lean towards a call heavily barring a read on them but wouldn’t love it.

I’ll also add that from the beginning of the hand, to me, A-J is always a raise or fold hand. I almost never-ever just call with it.

If my math is close, the pot was about 192 when he shoved for 320. Kind of reads like he’s trying to get a fold vs a call, he didn’t have to go all in there at all and risking you folding out. Especially if he has you covered looks like he’s trying to bully a bit with the end of his stack.

 

[Fugazy]

Hand 2

Check call on the turn with second pair feels ok owing to the outs you have with your draw.

I think you win that hand almost always. I’d make that call with trips even if I were covered. That bet of 30 from the villain is about 40% of the pot on the turn screams top pair/ strong draw to me. AK/KQ. I’d expect a more aggressive raise from the Button preflop were they holding KK in a straddle-raise situation. So I’d probably eliminate the nut from their range in my thinking.

 

[LEWIS540]

Hand 1 there is a straight and a flush draw on the board that could be completed by the River. I’d expect the villain to be holding almost any Broadway cards weaker than A-Q and any pair, 10-10 or below as it was only raised to 8. You are blocking JJ so that’s possible, but unlikely.

You are likely ahead when you hit second pair but you can lose that hand. My guess is they have a good draw + a pair. Maybe an Ace with a weak kicker. I’d lean towards a call heavily barring a read on them but wouldn’t love it.

I’ll also add that from the beginning of the hand, to me, A-J is always a raise or fold hand. I almost never-ever just call with it.

If my math is close, the pot was about 192 when he shoved for 320. Kind of reads like he’s trying to get a fold vs a call, he didn’t have to go all in there at all and risking you folding out. Especially if he has you covered looks like he’s trying to bully a bit with the end of his stack.

Called. He showed 2 2. Didn’t feel too good about the call because unfamiliar with the player.....turned out he wasn’t too good.

Hand 2

Check call on the turn with second pair feels ok owing to the outs you have with your draw.

I think you win that hand almost always. I’d make that call with trips even if I were covered. That bet of 30 from the villain is about 40% of the pot on the turn screams top pair/ strong draw to me. AK/KQ. I’d expect a more aggressive raise from the Button preflop were they holding KK in a straddle-raise situation. So I’d probably eliminate the nut from their range in my thinking.

Called and won. AK. Guy is actually a pretty good player, but don’t really like his play. He thought he’d get me off the exact kinda hand I had or even a chop.


Think both were basically calls, but you know you win some lose some.

 

[Fugazy]

Called. He showed 2 2. Didn’t feel too good about the call because unfamiliar with the player.....turned out he wasn’t too good.



Called and won. AK. Guy is actually a pretty good player, but don’t really like his play. He thought he’d get me off the exact kinda hand I had or even a chop.


Think both were basically calls, but you know you win some lose some.

That bottom set, barf

Like I said I think that first hand was a call most of the but I wouldn’t have felt good about it.

That shove was a greedy overbet imo and probably what would have induced me to call.

 

[LEWIS540]

That bottom set, barf

Like I said I think that first hand was a call most of the but I wouldn’t have felt good about it.

That shove was a greedy overbet imo and probably what would have induced me to call.

Yeah, the 2 2 hand was badly played by him on basically every street, I think. I had the one hand where his play works, really.

2nd hand guy insisted he was bluffing and thought I'd fold a chop (probably true) and maybe a 9, which I think is very optimistic after the turn went check/check. At the same time calling a check raise on the river with AK seems pretty meh too......as does bet folding, or just checking. Not sure what he should of done.

 

[LEWIS540]

Played 1/2 Holdem last night. Grinded 300 up to about 1350 in 5 hours then lost all of it in about 30 minutes!

Three most interesting hands:

Hand 1. 2c2s on the button. 1250 in stack.

Straddled pot. 2 callers. I call. BB raises to 25. 1 caller. I call too.
Flop Jc 2d 5c. Checks to me. I bet 40. BB calls.
Turn Jh. Checks to me. I bet 120. BB calls.
River 9c. BB shoves for about 400.

Fold or call?

Hand 2. AhQh on the button. 1000 in stack.

Straddled pot. 2 limpers. I raise to 18. Both limpers call.
Flop 8h Qc 2h. Checks to me. I bet 35. 1 call.
Turn 3c. Villain bets 60. I raise to 150. Villain pushes for about 400.

Fold or call?

Hand 3. KcJc in cut off. Playing 5 handed. 750 in stack.

Straddled pot. Folds to me. I raise to 15. Folds to straddler who raises to 50. I call.
Flop Qc 3d 4h. He checks. So do I.
Turn is the 3c. He bets 75. I call.
River is 9c. He bets 200, and has my remaining 450 covered.

What do you do?

 

[kahiljabroni]

Played 1/2 Holdem last night. Grinded 300 up to about 1350 in 5 hours then lost all of it in about 30 minutes!

Three most interesting hands:

Hand 1. 2c2s on the button. 1250 in stack.

Straddled pot. 2 callers. I call. BB raises to 25. 1 caller. I call too.
Flop Jc 2d 5c. Checks to me. I bet 40. BB calls.
Turn Jh. Checks to me. I bet 120. BB calls.
River 9c. BB shoves for about 400.

Fold or call?

Hand 2. AhQh on the button. 1000 in stack.

Straddled pot. 2 limpers. I raise to 18. Both limpers call.
Flop 8h Qc 2h. Checks to me. I bet 35. 1 call.
Turn 3c. Villain bets 60. I raise to 150. Villain pushes for about 400.

Fold or call?

Hand 3. KcJc in cut off. Playing 5 handed. 750 in stack.

Straddled pot. Folds to me. I raise to 15. Folds to straddler who raises to 50. I call.
Flop Qc 3d 4h. He checks. So do I.
Turn is the 3c. He bets 75. I call.
River is 9c. He bets 200, and has my remaining 450 covered.

What do you do?

Damn 1350 to nothing...id be pissed. Where u playing

 

[LEWIS540]

Damn 1350 to nothing...id be pissed. Where u playing

Local casino here in Sofia, Bulgaria.

Honestly was one of those nights where I thought I played close to flawless. Every bluff worked. Every value bet got paid off. Hit the deck as well.

Then 6 hours of work went to waste with a horror run in the space of about 20 hands.

Only hand I really remember playing badly was calling a 4-bet pre with pocket 10s for 150, then folding an A high flop when the guy only had 100 behind......Was a bit she’ll shocked at that point.......left about 10 minutes after that.

 

[LEWIS540]

Grinded 300 to 1500 at 2/2 then:

AsAc on the button

UTG raises to 12. I raise to 35. They re-raise to 100. I call.

Flop Jh 4c 7d. Villain checks. I bet 120. Villain calls.

Turn Qc. Villain checks. I bet 260. Villain calls.

River 4d. Villain checks. I push for 600 effective, villain snaps. Shows 9d 4h.


WTF?

 

[Michaelangelo]

Lol what the hell is that

 

[LEWIS540]

Lol what the hell is that

Snap call on the river just assumed he'd show JJ or QQ......you can accept that. These are the hands which make you question the legitimacy of the game, sometimes.

Got the "sorry about that, just thought you were weak......would of probably called even without the river 4".

Was fuming

 

[Michaelangelo]

Snap call on the river just assumed he'd show JJ or QQ......you can accept that. These are the hands which make you question the legitimacy of the game, sometimes.

Got the "sorry about that, just thought you were weak......would of probably called even without the river 4".

Was fuming

Sounds like a great game tbh

 

[LEWIS540]

Sounds like a great game tbh

Yeah.

It’s the kinda game if you are prepared to grind straight forward, “safe” poker, you’ll likely make decent money......always 3-4 players on the table who are happy to give action.

Not a lot of big folds!