No Limit Hold 'Em Poker Discussion

[MeanStreets]

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[LEWIS540]

2/2 PLO

I have 99AJ in the SB. 4 bet pre, 3 way.

Flop comes Q98.

I bet pot. Goes, pot by villain 1, re-pot villain 2.

What do you do?

 

[zuffazombee]

2/2 PLO

I have 99AJ in the SB. 4 bet pre, 3 way.

Flop comes Q98.

I bet pot. Goes, pot by villain 1, re-pot villain 2.

What do you do?

How deep is your stack vs pot size?
What suits are you playing vs board?

There's a chance you're already drawing super thin. QQ_,_ is a possibility, 2 pair with Q in hand is possibility, straight is most likely made.

Deep stack, I probably flat call. Small stack, I probably fold & die a little inside.

 

[zuffazombee]

Disgusting. Reminiscent of Casino Royale.



Would you have called with QJ, last to act & two all-ins in front of you?

 

[LEWIS540]

How deep is your stack vs pot size?
What suits are you playing vs board?

There's a chance you're already drawing super thin. QQ_,_ is a possibility, 2 pair with Q in hand is possibility, straight is most likely made.

Deep stack, I probably flat call. Small stack, I probably fold & die a little inside.

Was a rainbow flop, so suits largely irrelevant.

Very deep. Loose game. Me and one guy were 1000+. Other guy was about 600.

When it got back to me was about 260 to call.

I tank folded. Possibility of QQ obviously scary.

All the money went in on the flop. both had J 10. They ran it twice. Would have hit quads then FH, obviously.


Crushed the game for a tidy 3000 win, yet only hand that sticks out is this one, such is poker .

Made 1 river call with only a pair of kings too, for a 1000 pot which was in hindsight probably a mistake, but took that down.

 

[LEWIS540]

Disgusting. Reminiscent of Casino Royale.



Would you have called with QJ, last to act & two all-ins in front of you?

Was the Q 10 that called......pretty easy fold, imo. Pre flop action means AA and KK is very unlikely for either opponent, therefore ranges become very thin. Seeing the whole cards is an obvious advantage () but the second guy (66) can only really have 66 or a better Q here.

Fact he didn't even consider the fold makes you wonder why he's playing a 10k.

 

[zuffazombee]

Was the Q 10 that called......pretty easy fold, imo. Pre flop action means AA and KK is very unlikely for either opponent, therefore ranges become very thin. Seeing the whole cards is an obvious advantage () but the second guy (66) can only really have 66 or a better Q here.

Fact he didn't even consider the fold makes you wonder why he's playing a 10k.

You're right, was the Q10 that called. That makes the call even worse. Regardless which one was last to act, it's still an easy fold IMO. Even QJ (were he last) shouldn't be calling with 2 all-ins in front of him.

The only person likely to be holding AA or KK is the initial pre-flop raiser (AK in this hand). No one acting after him is going to flat with AA or KK & so many player to act. Once he folds, the remaining range is, as you said, either 66 or bigger Qs. I think the QJ's shove was questionable & the Q10's call was ridiculous.

 

[LEWIS540]

Dumped 2000 playing 2/2 PLO yesterday.

Played poorly, ran worse......got off to a bad start and tried to push the action.


The guilty hand that got me off to a bad start (figures may not be 100% exact):

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3 way, all around 500 starting stack(250bb).

AcJs10c7s in the BB.

Pre: Straddle. CO raise to 15. Button call. I call.

Flop: 10s 7h 3c. I check. CO bets 40. Button calls. I call.

Turn: Kh. Checked around.

River: 4d. I check. CO bets 75. Button insta calls. I bluff check-raise all in for about 350 more. CO insta folds. Button tank calls with KcQcQd3s.
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Thought I played it really well, despite losing, tbh.


Never played with the winning guy before, but he ended up with a huge stack. He seemed to play really badly yet never lose. He called off 120bb 6xbet pre with JJJ10 against another guy, and cracked aces (was honestly not sure he even knew it didn't count as trips!).

Such are the swings of PLO, I guess.

 

[zuffazombee]

Dumped 2000 playing 2/2 PLO yesterday.

Played poorly, ran worse......got off to a bad start and tried to push the action.


The guilty hand that got me off to a bad start (figures may not be 100% exact):

---------------------------
3 way, all around 500 starting stack(250bb).

AcKs10c7s in the BB.

Pre: Straddle. CO raise to 15. Button call. I call.

Flop: 10s 7h 3c. I check. CO bets 40. Button calls. I call.

Turn: Kh. Checked around.

River: 4d. I check. CO bets 75. Button insta calls. I bluff check-raise all in for about 350 more. CO insta folds. Button tank calls with KcQcQd3s.
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Thought I played it really well, despite losing, tbh.


Never played with the winning guy before, but he ended up with a huge stack. He seemed to play really badly yet never lose. He called off 120bb 6xbet pre with JJJ10 against another guy, and cracked aces (was honestly not sure he even knew it didn't count as trips!).

Such are the swings of PLO, I guess.

Am I misreading?

It looks like you've got KKTT7 vs his KK33T.
There's no straight or flush in play. How'd you lose?

 

[LEWIS540]

Am I misreading?

It looks like you've got KKTT7 vs his KKQT7.
There's no straight or flush in play. How'd you lose?

You're right, sorry, mis-typed. I had Js not Ks.....will edit.

His K3 > my 10 7.

 

[zuffazombee]

You're right, sorry, mis-typed. I had Js not Ks.....will edit.

His K3 > my 10 7.

I figured it was this type of situation.
10 7 is a middling 2 pair to be jamming. Although, without the straight or flush in play, your chances of getting it through increase.

That's a nice hand to see a flop with. Lots of straight opportunities with any cards 6-A & being double suited gives you 2 flush opportunities.

 

[LEWIS540]

I figured it was this type of situation.
10 7 is a middling 2 pair to be jamming. Although, without the straight or flush in play, your chances of getting it through increase.

That's a nice hand to see a flop with. Lots of straight opportunities with any cards 6-A & being double suited gives you 2 flush opportunities.

Yeah, I wasn't jamming for value on the river.....I'm not that bad.

Button was capped and I'm pretty sure he should be folding a river check raise there. He can't ever have the 56 or even a set really, and I can have them all. One of those where I think he made the right call in hindsight, but for the wrong reasons. Think 95% of competent players fold to my bet.

As I say, (judging by subsequent hands) I don't think he was very good/experienced at PLO and just had a night where everything went right for him, without him really knowing why.

 

[zuffazombee]

Yeah, I wasn't jamming for value on the river.....I'm not that bad.

Button was capped and I'm pretty sure he should be folding a river check raise there. He can't ever have the 56 or even a set really, and I can have them all. One of those where I think he made the right call in hindsight, but for the wrong reasons. Think 95% of competent players fold to my bet.

As I say, (judging by subsequent hands) I don't think he was very good/experienced at PLO and just had a night where everything went right for him, without him really knowing why.

I find PLO is bad for that. Especially with players who have more $ than brains. Having so many cards in play lends itself to wild swings & bad beats.

 

[LEWIS540]

I find PLO is bad for that. Especially with players who have more $ than brains. Having so many cards in play lends itself to wild swings & bad beats.

For sure yeah. I've had my fair share of big winning nights whilst playing badly.

The temptation is to play 75% hands, then bemoan when your set of 6s loses to a set of kings, or when your jack high flush loses to the ace high flush.

Need to be very disciplined.

It took me about 10 years to realise hands like 4477 or 10 10 9 8 double suited, were not really that great! <Lmaoo>

 

[Michaelangelo]

Dumped 2000 playing 2/2 PLO yesterday.

Played poorly, ran worse......got off to a bad start and tried to push the action.


The guilty hand that got me off to a bad start (figures may not be 100% exact):

---------------------------
3 way, all around 500 starting stack(250bb).

AcJs10c7s in the BB.

Pre: Straddle. CO raise to 15. Button call. I call.

Flop: 10s 7h 3c. I check. CO bets 40. Button calls. I call.

Turn: Kh. Checked around.

River: 4d. I check. CO bets 75. Button insta calls. I bluff check-raise all in for about 350 more. CO insta folds. Button tank calls with KcQcQd3s.
---------------------------------
Thought I played it really well, despite losing, tbh.


Never played with the winning guy before, but he ended up with a huge stack. He seemed to play really badly yet never lose. He called off 120bb 6xbet pre with JJJ10 against another guy, and cracked aces (was honestly not sure he even knew it didn't count as trips!).

Such are the swings of PLO, I guess.

Did you consider check raising the flop?

 

[LEWIS540]

Did you consider check raising the flop?

Considered it yeah, especially against 2 players.

Don’t think it’s a bad move, but would mean would have to be willing to get stacks in if 4 bet which is a little dicey. I’m honestly more likely to check raise with a wrap or open ended here rather than a set or top 2.

In PLO I normally try to get my value on turn and river, tbh. Probably a weakness of my game.

 

[WhosTheBoss]

Dumped 2000 playing 2/2 PLO yesterday.

Played poorly, ran worse......got off to a bad start and tried to push the action.


The guilty hand that got me off to a bad start (figures may not be 100% exact):

---------------------------
3 way, all around 500 starting stack(250bb).

AcJs10c7s in the BB.

Pre: Straddle. CO raise to 15. Button call. I call.

Flop: 10s 7h 3c. I check. CO bets 40. Button calls. I call.

Turn: Kh. Checked around.

River: 4d. I check. CO bets 75. Button insta calls. I bluff check-raise all in for about 350 more. CO insta folds. Button tank calls with KcQcQd3s.
---------------------------------
Thought I played it really well, despite losing, tbh.


Never played with the winning guy before, but he ended up with a huge stack. He seemed to play really badly yet never lose. He called off 120bb 6xbet pre with JJJ10 against another guy, and cracked aces (was honestly not sure he even knew it didn't count as trips!).

Such are the swings of PLO, I guess.

Don’t feel bad. I lost 9k today because I can’t ever fade the flush draws in PLO.

 

[LEWIS540]

Don’t feel bad. I lost 9k today because I can’t ever fade the flush draws in PLO.

It can be infuriating.

The genuine coolers are fine. Top set on flop vs nut flush draw + straight draw........whatever, that's the game.

It's when guys call your 4 bet shove on the flop with a bare Q high flush draw (then hit) that can be soul destroying. Of course you want those people in the game, but we've all had those nights where we lose 10 buy ins to the donk who plays like crap but runs like God, all the while thinking he's doing well.

My last 4 sessions playing 2/2 were -2500, +4500, +4000, -2000. Pretty fucking mental swings for those blinds.

 

[WhosTheBoss]

It can be infuriating.

The genuine coolers are fine. Top set on flop vs nut flush draw + straight draw........whatever, that's the game.

It's when guys call your 4 bet shove on the flop with a bare Q high flush draw (then hit) that can be soul destroying. Of course you want those people in the game, but we've all had those nights where we lose 10 buy ins to the donk who plays like crap but runs like God, all the while thinking he's doing well.

My last 4 sessions playing 2/2 were -2500, +4500, +4000, -2000. Pretty fucking mental!

Yeh it makes me want to fucking kill.

Tilted so I threw my remaining balance on a 6 game NBA parlay.
Lost 5k while in the doctor office waiting for him to come into the room.
Fucking just mood ruining shit.

 

[LEWIS540]

Yeh it makes me want to fucking kill.

Tilted so I threw my remaining balance on a 6 game NBA parlay.
Lost 5k while in the doctor office waiting for him to come into the room.
Fucking just mood ruining shit.

I feel you.

Hope you can take the losses on the chin.