International Measles Resurgence in America (2025)

[PhitePhan]

Measles was declared eradicated from the U.S. 25 years ago…

Measles resurfaced like 2 decades ago, with hundreds getting it every year in the U.S.

I know there have been sporadic cases of it.

Amazing, even when you’re wrong, you’re right!

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Were those high quality studies or the “largely inadequate” ones described in the Cochrane review?



Wait, your telling me that pneumonia, a totally treatable condition, is the leading cause of measles death? Are you referencing third world stats?

“Children usually recover from pneumonia when they receive proper medical attention.”

What to Know About Pneumonia in Children

Learn more about how pneumonia affects children, along with different treatment options and prevention methods.

www.webmd.com

You gotta show your work with this claim…

From the CDC Pink book:

“Before a vaccine was available, infection with measles virus was nearly universal during childhood, and more than 90% of persons were immune due to past infection by age 15 years [this averaged 3-4 million infections per year].”

Chapter 13: Measles

Read about measles and vaccination, including vaccine safety, efficacy, storage, and reporting.

www.cdc.gov

Considering that contracting mumps as a child leads to lifelong immunity, how do you think an adult catches a childhood illness? Vaccine waning perhaps?



Now please tell us those numbers in relation to healthy children without co-morbid risk factors.



Again, how does an adult contract a childhood illness when that illness contracted in childhood confers lifelong immunity?



Your link only seems to mention food allergies, unless I missed something.
Please copy/paste the relevant section.

When I asked ChatGPT, this is what it said:

“It is generally not possible to specifically test for an allergic reaction to the hepatitis B (Hep B) vaccine before it’s administered… while it’s not possible to pretest for an allergy, the vaccine can be administered in a healthcare setting where your child can be monitored for a short period (typically 15-30 minutes) after receiving the shot.”

This was my prompt:

“Can I test my child for possible allergic reaction to the hep b shot?”

Before I answer, let's see your work first on Epilepsy:

My previous question:
"Also, can you explain the increased risk of epilepsy, what are the numbers?"

Then we can compare.

Edit:

Since you're quoting ChatGPT, I will as well:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/199117?utm_source=chatgpt.com

• Measles itself causes febrile seizures in about 1 in 200 children, which is much higher than the MMR vaccine.
• Children who get measles also have a higher risk of epilepsy and brain damage from complications like encephalitis (brain inflammation)

Yes, febrile seizures are caused by fever, not the underlying illness or vaccine itself.

How It Works:​

• A rapid rise in body temperature (usually above 100.4°F or 38°C) can trigger abnormal electrical activity in the brain, leading to a seizure.
• The fever can be due to viral or bacterial infections, vaccinations (as the immune system responds), or other causes.
• The seizure itself is not dangerous and does not mean there is an underlying brain disorder.

Fever as the Common Factor:​

• Whether a child gets a febrile seizure from measles, the flu, an ear infection, or the MMR vaccine, the fever is the main trigger—not the virus, bacteria, or vaccine itself.
• The higher and faster the temperature rises, the greater the chance of a febrile seizure in children prone to them.

Does the MMR Vaccine Cause Fever?​

• Yes, about 5–15% of children develop a mild fever 6–14 days after MMR vaccination, as the immune system reacts to the weakened viruses.
• In rare cases, this fever can lead to a febrile seizure (about 1 in 3,000–4,000 vaccinated children).

Does Measles Cause More Seizures?​

• Yes, measles itself causes high fevers that significantly increase the risk of febrile seizures.
• The risk of febrile seizures is much higher in measles infection than from the vaccine.

 

[evergreenrider]

Back maybe 10 years ago we were staying at an apartment complex. Apartment living, you are exposed to and interact with, a wide range of individuals.

Well this one neighbor was very anti school, anti vax, etc. Mainly out of shear laziness was my takeaway. Anyway, they had a daughter. Who obviously didn't go to school or get vaccinations of any kind.

So one day I see the daughter, and she's fucking covered in red bumps. And they stayed. For months. While he claimed it was nothing serious or contagious, our young daughters were under strict stay away protocols going forward.

Luckily we moved soon after and didn't have to deal any longer with the livestock pens that are apartments. But good grief that'll stick with me forever. Dude would rather play computer games and get high all day then be bothered which such monumental tasks like uh. Feeding, dressing, and taking your child to school. And maybe the doc once a year.

 

[Crazy Source]

Amazing, even when you’re wrong, you’re right!

You're a sick dude, bro. I don't know or care to know what is going on in your brain, but please keep it to yourself.

 

[BFoe]

Authors' conclusions​

The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre‐ and post‐marketing, are largely inadequate. The evidence of adverse events following immunisation with the MMR vaccine cannot be separated from its role in preventing the target diseases.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004407.pub3/abstract

Ridiculous.


It’s silly to even bring up febrile seizure. The rate of febrile seizure from the MMR vaccine is 8.5 out of 10,000. Meanwhile, the rate of febrile seizure from getting the measles is nearly triple that, 23 out of 10,000.

https://www.unicef.org/eca/stories/yes-mmr-vaccine-safe

It’s also been studied on adolescents and adults and found to be safe.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9939709/#:~:text=During%20the%20study%20period%2C%20276%2C327,Introduction

It was found safe in infants in a double-blind placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial in Denmark.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(23)00598-9/fulltext

-A cohort study included 715,484 children aged 48-83 months found it safe.
-Tons of studies have been done—in the US, UK, Canada. Denmark, Japan— to see if the MMR vaccine has any link to autism, and it most certainly does not, yet here you are repeating this dumb myth.

Vaccine Safety: Examine the Evidence

Vaccines for kids are studied closely before the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends them. Safety evidence is gathered when a new vaccine is made and after it is authorized.

www.healthychildren.org

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6768751/#:~:text=The%20study%20found%20no%20sudden,vaccine%20and%20development%20of%20autism.

Over 575 million doses of this vaccine have been given since it was first introduced. Literally hundreds of millions of people, over more than six decades.
It’s saved millions of lives, and kept hundreds of millions from catching a disease that’s more contagious than Ebola, the flu, COVID, or polio.



It would be one thing if anti-vaxxers were the only ones to suffer because of their failure to vaccinate— but their innocent children have to suffer, other kids who go to school with them have to suffer, other members of the community have to suffer, medical professionals have to suffer…
It’s disgusting and shameful.

 

[Natural Order]

The ape of 10,000 ailments. Made in the perfect image of his creator.

 

[Renard]

Back maybe 10 years ago we were staying at an apartment complex. Apartment living, you are exposed to and interact with, a wide range of individuals.

Well this one neighbor was very anti school, anti vax, etc. Mainly out of shear laziness was my takeaway. Anyway, they had a daughter. Who obviously didn't go to school or get vaccinations of any kind.

So one day I see the daughter, and she's fucking covered in red bumps. And they stayed. For months. While he claimed it was nothing serious or contagious, our young daughters were under strict stay away protocols going forward.

Luckily we moved soon after and didn't have to deal any longer with the livestock pens that are apartments. But good grief that'll stick with me forever. Dude would rather play computer games and get high all day then be bothered which such monumental tasks like uh. Feeding, dressing, and taking your child to school. And maybe the doc once a year.

Although I'm sure they were terrible parents, I don't think that was measles. Google says one week is the upper end for the red spots. For something to last 4 months you were probably looking at a more pedestrian health condition like psoriasis.

 

[evergreenrider]

Although I'm sure they were terrible parents, I don't think that was measles. Google says one week is the upper end for the red spots. For something to last 4 months you were probably looking at a more pedestrian health condition like psoriasis.

Appreciate the educated insight. You are correct, terrible parents. But good to know they didn't let their daughter suffer through something as serious as measles. Half the time the dude was passed out on his computer chair. Slumped from drinking as soon as feet hit floor in the morning. The level of neglect, verbal, and borderline physical abuse you witness in those environments (apartment complexes) is eye opening. And heart crushing

 

[fedoriswar37]

Seems like this is the new " your killing grandma".

 

[fedoriswar37]

Although I'm sure they were terrible parents, I don't think that was measles. Google says one week is the upper end for the red spots. For something to last 4 months you were probably looking at a more pedestrian health condition like psoriasis.

Psoriasis is an autoimmune condition and presents more in the sense of dry skin/scales in patches then red spots . This kid was probably a combination of dryness or eczema caused by poor air quality and general dirt/household dust.

 

[PhitePhan]

Ridiculous.

A well-respected scientific review tells us that decades of MMR safety testing is “largely inadequate” and that’s your response?

It’s silly to even bring up febrile seizure. The rate of febrile seizure from the MMR vaccine is 8.5 out of 10,000.

Wrong. It’s 1/640 which comes out to nearly 6000 febrile seizures a year (US alone with just this vaccine- other vaccines are also know to lead to febrile seizures).

MMR vaccination and febrile seizures: evaluation of susceptible subgroups and long-term prognosis - PubMed

MMR vaccination was associated with a transient increased rate of febrile seizures but the risk difference was small even in high-risk children. The long-term rate of epilepsy was not increased in children who had febrile seizures following vaccination compared with children who had febrile...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Meanwhile, the rate of febrile seizure from getting the measles is nearly triple that, 23 out of 10,000.

https://www.unicef.org/eca/stories/yes-mmr-vaccine-safe

It’s obvious you’re posting an article that you don’t understand. There are multiple errors in that article, but most-relevant to our discussion is the fact that they use deceptive figures in an attempt to exaggerate the risk of measles by focusing on clinical cases rather than total measles infections (eg claiming 1/500 measles cases leads to death). This is probably how you came to the ridiculous conclusion that measles caused 9000+ febrile seizures a year prior to vaccination. Your article also provides zero citations supporting your assertion, so it’s hard for me to figure out where they’re pulling this from.

This is a common misinformation technique (ignoring the vast majority of sub clinical measles cases), so it’s not necessarily your fault for falling for it. Luckily, this is easily debunked by referencing the CDC, as noted below:

Measles Secular Trends in the United States​

• About 500,000 reported cases and 500 deaths annually before vaccine
• Actual cases estimated at 3 to 4 million

Chapter 13: Measles

Read about measles and vaccination, including vaccine safety, efficacy, storage, and reporting.

www.cdc.gov

If you can demonstrate an understanding of the figures above by calculating an actual measles death rate, then we can continue this conversation. Otherwise, I’ll let you have the last word.

 

[Romulas]

Texas child is first reported US measles death in a decade as outbreak hits. The current outbreak in rural West Texas has at least 124 cases, almost all in unvaccinated children, many of whom are connected to a Mennonite community. The entire country for all of 2024 saw 285 confirmed cases, but we're not even one sixth of the way into 2025.​

Kennedy minimizes measles outbreak in wake of Texas death

In other measles news, Kentucky has reported a case in an adult who had recently traveled internationally.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

You waste of bandwidth

 

[filthybliss]

Seems like this is the new " your killing grandma".

Yeah because immunocompromised people are only old /s

 

[Nameless Ghoul]

10,000% just making an observation. I'm old enough to remember when mumps "made" a momentary comeback due to people from other countries without the same childhood vaccination schedule. Do we know anything about the people getting measles? It seems like a convenient smoke screen to somehow blame RFK who has been in office for less time than the incubation period of the virus.

 

[fedoriswar37]

Yeah because immunocompromised people are only old /s

I mean , you completely had the joke in my post go over your head. I'm immunocomprised and have had the measles vaccine i have 0 fear. Not sure why your all butthurt. You don't seem to believe in vaccines yourself

 

[Deorum]

Texas child is first reported US measles death in a decade as outbreak hits. The current outbreak in rural West Texas has at least 124 cases, almost all in unvaccinated children, many of whom are connected to a Mennonite community. The entire country for all of 2024 saw 285 confirmed cases, but we're not even one sixth of the way into 2025.​

Kennedy minimizes measles outbreak in wake of Texas death

In other measles news, Kentucky has reported a case in an adult who had recently traveled internationally.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

It would be a wonderful opportunity for RFK Jr. to tout the effectiveness and safety of the MMR vaccine. He won't because he is as crazy as a shithouse rat, but I can dream.

It looks like he just kinda did.

ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR.: Measles outbreak is call to action for all of us

Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., tells readers what his agency is doing and what they can do to stop the measles outbreak that has claimed a child's life in Texas.

www.foxnews.com

 

[wufabufa]

Although I'm sure they were terrible parents, I don't think that was measles. Google says one week is the upper end for the red spots. For something to last 4 months you were probably looking at a more pedestrian health condition like psoriasis.

Man, psoriasis can vary greatly in severity and can affect multiple organ systems outside of the skin. Might be more common than measles these days, but to call it pedestrian seems kind of dishonest. Especially since people typically don't develop it early in life/childhood.

 

[deviake]

It looks like he just kinda did.

ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR.: Measles outbreak is call to action for all of us

Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., tells readers what his agency is doing and what they can do to stop the measles outbreak that has claimed a child's life in Texas.

www.foxnews.com

Nice. Maybe Bernard got through to him

 

[Deorum]

Nice. Maybe Bernard got through to him

I understand the intense criticism for RFK, and he might be misguided if not flat out wrong on certain aspects of the massive US health and medical establishment and all that entails (a whole hell of a lot), but he's not out to hurt Americans. People should give him a chance.

 

[chardog]

- Dont people from those contries usually get the basic vax?

Usually……. And the American rate is higher and NPC’s are freaking out about it, wait until they see the rates of immunization of imported folks, if they can provide verification at all….