International Measles Resurgence in America (2025)

It looks like he just kinda did.




It’s certainly a much better response than I expected, but really is like 20 years too late. It’s like when Trump admitted he got a COVID booster and the crowd booed; after you spent a bunch of time minimizing vaccines and spreading nonsense,
it’s tough to just do an about-face and have that same audience go along with you.
If he continues that messaging and we see some major increases in vaccination rates, I’ll be happy to give him some credit.

I understand the intense criticism for RFK, and he might be misguided if not flat out wrong on certain aspects of the massive US health and medical establishment and all that entails (a whole hell of a lot), but he's not out to hurt Americans. People should give him a chance.

I think to say he’s wrong about “some aspects” of our massive healthcare system minimizes it quite a bit, no?
I mean, the dude is wrong about whether or not HIV causes AIDS for example, that’s kind of a big one <lol>
His type of wrongness is outright quackery.
 
A well-respected scientific review tells us that decades of MMR safety testing is “largely inadequate” and that’s your response?



Wrong. It’s 1/640 which comes out to nearly 6000 febrile seizures a year (US alone with just this vaccine- other vaccines are also know to lead to febrile seizures).




It’s obvious you’re posting an article that you don’t understand. There are multiple errors in that article, but most-relevant to our discussion is the fact that they use deceptive figures in an attempt to exaggerate the risk of measles by focusing on clinical cases rather than total measles infections (eg claiming 1/500 measles cases leads to death). This is probably how you came to the ridiculous conclusion that measles caused 9000+ febrile seizures a year prior to vaccination. Your article also provides zero citations supporting your assertion, so it’s hard for me to figure out where they’re pulling this from.

This is a common misinformation technique (ignoring the vast majority of sub clinical measles cases), so it’s not necessarily your fault for falling for it. Luckily, this is easily debunked by referencing the CDC, as noted below:

Measles Secular Trends in the United States​

  • About 500,000 reported cases and 500 deaths annually before vaccine
  • Actual cases estimated at 3 to 4 million

If you can demonstrate an understanding of the figures above by calculating an actual measles death rate, then we can continue this conversation. Otherwise, I’ll let you have the last word.
Bro, you can’t be downplaying pneumonia in one post and upselling seizures in another. Pneumonia is a hell of a lot more serious than a seizure.

If you take anything from this thread I hope it’s that you did t realize what you didn’t know when you started, and snipping out a good sounding paragraph from a scientific article isn’t enough to carry the argument.
 
It’s certainly a much better response than I expected, but really is like 20 years too late. It’s like when Trump admitted he got a COVID booster and the crowd booed; after you spent a bunch of time minimizing vaccines and spreading nonsense,
it’s tough to just do an about-face and have that same audience go along with you.
If he continues that messaging and we see some major increases in vaccination rates, I’ll be happy to give him some credit.


I think to say he’s wrong about “some aspects” of our massive healthcare system minimizes it quite a bit, no?
I mean, the dude is wrong about whether or not HIV causes AIDS for example, that’s kind of a big one <lol>
His type of wrongness is outright quackery.

I mean, it's a good start. He's trying his best!

😭
 
We know its the influx of undocumented and unvaccinated immigrants. Political spin is trying to minimize leaving the border unsecured for the last four years. In the middle of a god damn communicable disease outbreak no less.
Give me a fucking break. We don’t hold the leaders of different political parties to the same level of scrutiny on this issue and its glaringly obvious. Based solely on rhetoric ,feelings, and how my preferred media source tells me how to feel about it.
 
It’s certainly a much better response than I expected, but really is like 20 years too late. It’s like when Trump admitted he got a COVID booster and the crowd booed; after you spent a bunch of time minimizing vaccines and spreading nonsense,
it’s tough to just do an about-face and have that same audience go along with you.
If he continues that messaging and we see some major increases in vaccination rates, I’ll be happy to give him some credit.


I think to say he’s wrong about “some aspects” of our massive healthcare system minimizes it quite a bit, no?
I mean, the dude is wrong about whether or not HIV causes AIDS for example, that’s kind of a big one <lol>
His type of wrongness is outright quackery.
RFK has says he supports the childhood vaccine program we've had in the states for decades. Don't believe everything Whoopi Goldberg tells you.
 
I mean, it's a good start. He's trying his best!

😭
You want me to give him a chance, and I want to put him on a rocket and launch him into the sun.
Let’s meet in the middle and exile him to a desert island or something <Moves>


RFK has says he supports the childhood vaccine program we've had in the states for decades. Don't believe everything Whoopi Goldberg tells you.
The ol “Hurr Durr, you watch the View” trope is so tired.
RFK has an absolutely abysmal record of vaccine support. Period. He is a constant stream of misinformation and bullshit. His record on it is public for all to see, and he wrote extensively about in his book. He’s an anti-vaxxer who spreads bizarre CTs, often of the racist variety.
 
We know its the influx of undocumented and unvaccinated immigrants. Political spin is trying to minimize leaving the border unsecured for the last four years. In the middle of a god damn communicable disease outbreak no less.
Give me a fucking break. We don’t hold the leaders of different political parties to the same level of scrutiny on this issue and its glaringly obvious. Based solely on rhetoric ,feelings, and how my preferred media source tells me how to feel about it.

Genuine question for Muricans: how easily and/or quickly do 'undocumented migrants' enrol in US schools?
 
Genuine question for Muricans: how easily and/or quickly do 'undocumented migrants' enrol in US schools?
In the closet major metropolitan area to me. I think it’s 16% of the school district. Illegal and DACA can enroll.
They also receive in state tuition rates as a regular citizen.
 
I understand the intense criticism for RFK, and he might be misguided if not flat out wrong on certain aspects of the massive US health and medical establishment and all that entails (a whole hell of a lot), but he's not out to hurt Americans. People should give him a chance.

I'm skeptical but I genuinely hope so. I'm glad his response here is good and hopefully it's a sign of things to come
 
I'm skeptical but I genuinely hope so. I'm glad his response here is good and hopefully it's a sign of things to come

I suppose it's good.

It's laughable that it has to be reiterated by 'one of their own' for them to take basic common sense steps to avoid illnesses, but overall good that someone's doing it even though it shouldn't be necessary in this day and age.
 
I suppose it's good.

It's laughable that it has to be reiterated by 'one of their own' for them to take basic common sense steps to avoid illnesses, but overall good that someone's doing it even though it shouldn't be necessary in this day and age.
Agreed. I will take what I can get these days. After all the horseshit RFK has peddled just seeing him with a foot in reality is a relief lol.
 

Doctors push back as parents embrace Kennedy and vitamin A in Texas measles outbreak​

By Chad Terhune

  • Outbreak reaches nearly 230 cases in Texas and New Mexico
  • Pediatricians tout vaccination, warn against supplements
  • Trump health chief Kennedy is a vaccine skeptic
March 8 (Reuters) - As a measles outbreak spreads across West Texas, Dr. Ana Montanez is fighting an uphill battle to convince some parents that vitamin A - touted by vaccine critics as effective against the highly contagious virus - will not protect their children.

The 53-year-old pediatrician in the city of Lubbock is working overtime to contact vaccine-hesitant parents, explaining the grave risks posed by a disease that most American families have never seen in their lifetime - and one that can be prevented through immunization.

Increasingly, however, she also has to counter misleading information. One mother, she said, told her she was giving her two children high doses of vitamin A to ward off measles, based on an article posted by Children's Health Defense, the anti-vaccine group led by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. nearly a decade before he became President Donald Trump's top health official.

"Wait, what are you doing? That was a red flag," Montanez said in an interview. "This is a tight community, and I think if one family does one thing, everybody else is going to follow. Even if I can't persuade you to vaccinate, I can at least educate you on misinformation."

Kennedy resigned as chairman of Children's Health Defense and has said he has no power over the organization, which has sued in state and federal courts to challenge common vaccines including for measles.
The organization did not respond to a request for comment.

As U.S. health and human services secretary, Kennedy has said vaccination remains a personal choice. He has also overstated the evidence for use of treatments such as vitamin A, according to disease experts.

The supplement does not prevent measles and can be harmful to children in large or prolonged doses, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. It has been shown to decrease the severity of measles infections in developing countries among patients who are malnourished and vitamin A deficient, a rare occurrence in the United States.

"I'm very concerned about the messaging that's coming out," said Dr. Jeffrey Kahn, chief of infectious diseases at Children's Health in Dallas. "It's somewhat baffling to me that we're relitigating the effectiveness of vaccines and alternative therapies. We know how to handle measles. We've had six decades of experience."

Andrew Nixon, a Department of Health and Human Services spokesperson, did not respond to questions about Kennedy's handling of the measles outbreak. But commenting on a measles-related death in New Mexico, Nixon said on Thursday that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention "recommends vaccination as the best protection against measles infection."
Texas officials said on Friday that the state's measles outbreak had grown to 198 cases, including 23 people who were hospitalized. That includes the death of an unvaccinated school-age child at a Lubbock hospital last month.

New Mexico officials have tallied 30 cases and one death of an unvaccinated adult. Those are the first deaths from measles in the United States since 2015.

'I'M WILLING TO HOLD OFF'

A 29-year-old nurse who is the mother of three and is a self-described Kennedy fan visited Montanez's clinic on Thursday. She asked to be identified as Nicole C. - her middle name and last initial - to protect her family's privacy.
She said she values the doctor's advice and appreciated that she never felt judged for not fully vaccinating her school-age daughter and toddler twins - a boy and a girl - with a second dose of the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine.

After the initial shots, she said she grew more concerned about potential side effects from vaccines and embraced more natural supplements.
She said school officials told her that her daughter would have to miss 21 days of class if she remains under-vaccinated and was exposed to measles.

The risk of contact in Lubbock is real. Montanez called about a dozen families last month because they were exposed to measles in her own waiting room, which she shares with other doctors in the Texas Tech physicians group.
Still, Nicole could not go through with the vaccination during her visit this week. She said she and her husband had prayed about it and believed in their family's God-given immune systems.

"As a mom, you naturally think, 'Oh my goodness, I can't let my daughter miss 21 days of education.' But who knows what effects the vaccine could cause? That could be a lifetime of issues. I'm willing to hold off on the shot," she said.
Public health experts have said vaccines for measles and other diseases pose minimal risks of side effects and protect children and adults against diseases that once routinely killed many people.

As flu season worsened this winter, Nicole said she started giving her children a daily dose of strawberry-flavored cod liver oil, which is high in vitamin A, based on information other mothers had shared with her.
Montanez took her vaccine rejection in stride. The doctor said she has persuaded more than a dozen parents to get their children fully vaccinated in recent weeks.

"I think that leaving her and her family enough space to make their own decisions - and being available for any questions - is really my goal," Montanez said. "My hope is that at some point she's going to call me and say, 'Can we go and get the vaccine?'"

https://www.reuters.com/business/he...dy-vitamin-texas-measles-outbreak-2025-03-08/

- I admire the fact that the anti-vax imbeciles take real pride in looking like morons!
 

Doctors push back as parents embrace Kennedy and vitamin A in Texas measles outbreak​

By Chad Terhune

  • Outbreak reaches nearly 230 cases in Texas and New Mexico
  • Pediatricians tout vaccination, warn against supplements
  • Trump health chief Kennedy is a vaccine skeptic
March 8 (Reuters) - As a measles outbreak spreads across West Texas, Dr. Ana Montanez is fighting an uphill battle to convince some parents that vitamin A - touted by vaccine critics as effective against the highly contagious virus - will not protect their children.

The 53-year-old pediatrician in the city of Lubbock is working overtime to contact vaccine-hesitant parents, explaining the grave risks posed by a disease that most American families have never seen in their lifetime - and one that can be prevented through immunization.

Increasingly, however, she also has to counter misleading information. One mother, she said, told her she was giving her two children high doses of vitamin A to ward off measles, based on an article posted by Children's Health Defense, the anti-vaccine group led by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. nearly a decade before he became President Donald Trump's top health official.

"Wait, what are you doing? That was a red flag," Montanez said in an interview. "This is a tight community, and I think if one family does one thing, everybody else is going to follow. Even if I can't persuade you to vaccinate, I can at least educate you on misinformation."

Kennedy resigned as chairman of Children's Health Defense and has said he has no power over the organization, which has sued in state and federal courts to challenge common vaccines including for measles.
The organization did not respond to a request for comment.

As U.S. health and human services secretary, Kennedy has said vaccination remains a personal choice. He has also overstated the evidence for use of treatments such as vitamin A, according to disease experts.

The supplement does not prevent measles and can be harmful to children in large or prolonged doses, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. It has been shown to decrease the severity of measles infections in developing countries among patients who are malnourished and vitamin A deficient, a rare occurrence in the United States.

"I'm very concerned about the messaging that's coming out," said Dr. Jeffrey Kahn, chief of infectious diseases at Children's Health in Dallas. "It's somewhat baffling to me that we're relitigating the effectiveness of vaccines and alternative therapies. We know how to handle measles. We've had six decades of experience."

Andrew Nixon, a Department of Health and Human Services spokesperson, did not respond to questions about Kennedy's handling of the measles outbreak. But commenting on a measles-related death in New Mexico, Nixon said on Thursday that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention "recommends vaccination as the best protection against measles infection."
Texas officials said on Friday that the state's measles outbreak had grown to 198 cases, including 23 people who were hospitalized. That includes the death of an unvaccinated school-age child at a Lubbock hospital last month.

New Mexico officials have tallied 30 cases and one death of an unvaccinated adult. Those are the first deaths from measles in the United States since 2015.

'I'M WILLING TO HOLD OFF'

A 29-year-old nurse who is the mother of three and is a self-described Kennedy fan visited Montanez's clinic on Thursday. She asked to be identified as Nicole C. - her middle name and last initial - to protect her family's privacy.
She said she values the doctor's advice and appreciated that she never felt judged for not fully vaccinating her school-age daughter and toddler twins - a boy and a girl - with a second dose of the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine.

After the initial shots, she said she grew more concerned about potential side effects from vaccines and embraced more natural supplements.
She said school officials told her that her daughter would have to miss 21 days of class if she remains under-vaccinated and was exposed to measles.

The risk of contact in Lubbock is real. Montanez called about a dozen families last month because they were exposed to measles in her own waiting room, which she shares with other doctors in the Texas Tech physicians group.
Still, Nicole could not go through with the vaccination during her visit this week. She said she and her husband had prayed about it and believed in their family's God-given immune systems.

"As a mom, you naturally think, 'Oh my goodness, I can't let my daughter miss 21 days of education.' But who knows what effects the vaccine could cause? That could be a lifetime of issues. I'm willing to hold off on the shot," she said.
Public health experts have said vaccines for measles and other diseases pose minimal risks of side effects and protect children and adults against diseases that once routinely killed many people.

As flu season worsened this winter, Nicole said she started giving her children a daily dose of strawberry-flavored cod liver oil, which is high in vitamin A, based on information other mothers had shared with her.
Montanez took her vaccine rejection in stride. The doctor said she has persuaded more than a dozen parents to get their children fully vaccinated in recent weeks.

"I think that leaving her and her family enough space to make their own decisions - and being available for any questions - is really my goal," Montanez said. "My hope is that at some point she's going to call me and say, 'Can we go and get the vaccine?'"

https://www.reuters.com/business/he...dy-vitamin-texas-measles-outbreak-2025-03-08/

- I admire the fact that the anti-vax imbeciles take real pride in looking like morons!
Media turned them Anti-Vax for clicks.
When you have to explain to the dumb fuck from High School that there is not harmful Mercury in vaccines because he likes to post twitter posts from SuperPatriotIDontKneel69 on Facebook, you then realize how easy it is to influence people.
You explain its a mercury based compound, then they say hey Mercury kills, open your eyes. Then you are like so does Chlorine, so you must not use salt either, then they tell you keep getting vaccines and enjoy dying early.
It's exhausting arguing with people who think some rando on Twitter, facts supersede actual science.
I have always said too bad I have morals, because I could absolutely bank selling rage porn to MAGA idiots.
 
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