Social Texas Children Treated for Vitamin A Toxicity as Disinformation Spreads [Measles Outbreak]

The NHS in England has long said there are issues in communities where standards of English language are not up to scratch. Generally, lower standards of English = lower vaccine rates.

It isn't really unlucky that these communities get outbreaks. It's the opposite. But it doesn't spread to the wider vaccinated community, hence it's usually limited in scope.

Any country with lower than 95 percent vaccination rate is at risk. It's not just the US, though I'd suggest the lower the vaccination rate in any one area will affect the likelihood of an outbreak. In fact I wouldn't suggest it, it's just how it is.

Do you think there should be mandates? I would be more in favour if poorly vaccinated communities put me and mine at direct risk, but that's what I'm saying: it likely won't. But other people will still suffer either out of ignorance or arrogance.

Yeah , its a odd one because unlike covid its 97% effective. Most people are protected. Do i think it should be mandated ? No. Im not religious but if someone truely truely believes that doing so would be eternity of hell or some shit. Who am i to force them.

it will be from outside that brings it to the unvaccinated here and it will go through certain communities like wildfire unfortunately.

If those communities were predominately poor white theyd be targeted and mandated [ forced ] , but we wont do that to religous / cultural / ethnic communities heh.


So It will just be another pointless death. Like all of them are. But these two recent ones are being used more as political football imo. Which never happened all the prior measels deaths.
 

Measles exploded in Texas after stagnant vaccine funding. New cuts threaten the same across the US​


BY LAURA UNGAR, MICHELLE R. SMITH AND DEVI SHASTRI
Updated 1:44 PM BRT, April 13, 2025


The measles outbreak in West Texas didn’t happen just by chance.

The easily preventable disease, declared eliminated in the U.S. in 2000, ripped through communities sprawling across more than 20 Texas counties in part because health departments were starved of the funding needed to run vaccine programs, officials say.

“We haven’t had a strong immunization program that can really do a lot of boots-on-the-ground work for years,” said Katherine Wells, the health director in Lubbock, a 90-minute drive from the outbreak’s epicenter.

Immunization programs nationwide have been left brittle by years of stagnant funding by federal, state and local governments. In Texas and elsewhere, this helped set the stage for the measles outbreak and fueled its spread. Now cuts to federal funding threaten efforts to prevent more cases and outbreaks.

Health departments got an influx of cash to deal with COVID-19, but it wasn’t enough to make up for years of neglect. On top of that, trust in vaccines has eroded. Health officials warn the situation is primed to get worse.

Recent cuts by the Trump administration have pulled billions of dollars in COVID-19 related funding — $2 billion of it slated for immunization programs for various diseases. Overseeing the cuts is Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who rose to prominence leading an anti-vaccine movement. While Kennedy has said he wants his agency to prevent future outbreaks, he’s also declined to deliver a consistent and forceful message that would help do so — encouraging people to vaccinate their children against measles while reminding them it is safe.

At the same time, lawmakers in Texas and about two-thirds of states have introduced legislation this year that would make it easier to opt out of vaccines or otherwise put up barriers to ensuring more people get shots, according to an analysis by The Associated Press. That further undercuts efforts to keep infectious diseases at bay, health officials said.

The more than 700 measles cases reported this year in the U.S. have already surpassed last year’s total. The vast majority — more than 540 — are in Texas, but cases have popped up in 23 other states. Two Texas children have died. A 6-year-old girl from Gaines County, the center of the outbreak, died in February, the first measles death in the U.S. in a decade. An 8-year-old girl from the same town, Seminole, died earlier this month.

Children in the U.S. are generally required to be vaccinated to go to school, which in the past ensured vaccination rates stayed high enough to prevent infectious diseases like measles from spreading. But a growing number of parents have been skipping the shots for their kids. The share of children exempted from vaccine requirements has reached an all-time high, and just 92.7% of kindergartners got their required shots in 2023. That’s well below the 95% coverage level that keeps diseases at bay.

Keeping vaccination rates high requires vigilance, commitment and money.

Though the outbreak in Texas started in Mennonite communities that have been resistant to vaccines and distrustful of government intervention, it quickly jumped to other places with low vaccination rates. There are similar under-vaccinated pockets across the country that could provide the tinder that sparks another outbreak.

“It’s like a hurricane over warm water in the Caribbean,” said Dr. Peter Hotez, co-director of the Texas Children’s Hospital Center for Vaccine Development in Houston. “As long as there’s warm water, the hurricane will continue to accelerate. In this case, the warm water is the unvaccinated kids.”

Flatlined vaccine funding in Texas​

Lubbock receives a $254,000 immunization grant from the state annually that can be used for staff, outreach, advertising, education and other elements of a vaccine program. That hasn’t increased in at least 15 years as the population grew.

It used to be enough for three nurses, an administrative assistant, advertising and even goodies to give out at health fairs, Wells said. “Now it covers a nurse, a quarter of a nurse, a little bit of an admin assistant, and basically nothing else.”

Texas has among the lowest per capita state funding for public health in the nation, just $17 per person in 2023, according to the State Health Access Data Assistance Center.

Vaccines are among the most successful tools in public health’s arsenal, preventing debilitating illnesses and lowering the need for expensive medical care. Childhood vaccines prevent 4 million deaths worldwide each year, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which says the measles vaccine will save some 19 million lives by 2030.

U.S. immunization programs are funded by a variable mix of federal, state and local money. Federal money is sent to every state, which then decides how much to send to local health departments.

The stagnant immunization grant funding in Texas has made it harder for local health departments to keep their programs going. Lubbock’s health department, for example, doesn’t have the money to pay for targeted Facebook ads to encourage vaccinations or do robust community outreach to build trust.

In Andrews County, which borders Gaines County, the biggest cost of its immunization program is personnel. But while everything has gotten more expensive, the grant hasn’t changed, Health Director Gordon Mattimoe said. That shifts the burden to county governments. Some kick in more money, some don’t. His did.

The problem: keeping people safe from outbreaks requires high vaccination rates across a broad region, and germs don’t stop at county borders.

Andrews County, population 18,000, offers a walk-in vaccine clinic Monday through Friday, but other West Texas communities don’t. More than half the people who come to the clinic travel from other counties, Mattimoe said, including much larger places and Gaines County.

Some had to drive an hour or more. They did so because they had trouble getting shots in their home county due to long waits, lack of providers and other issues, Mattimoe said.

“They’re unable to obtain it in the place that they live. ... People are overflowing, over to here,” Mattimoe said. “There’s an access issue.”

That makes it more likely people won’t get their shots.

In Gaines County just 82% of kindergartners were vaccinated against measles, mumps and rubella. Even in Andrews County, where, at 97%, the vaccination rate is above the 95% threshold for preventing outbreaks, it has slipped two percentage points since 2020.

Vaccine funding crises aren’t only in Texas​

The health departments millions of Americans depend on for their shots largely rely on two federal programs: Vaccines for Children and Section 317 of the Public Health Services Act. Vaccines for Children mostly provides the actual vaccines. Section 317 provides grants for vaccines but also to run programs and get shots into arms.

About half of kids qualify for Vaccines for Children, a safety-net program created in response to a 1989-1991 measles epidemic that sickened 55,000 people and killed 123. Section 317 money sent to state and local health departments pays for vaccines as well as nurses, outreach and advertising.

Health departments generally use the programs in tandem, and since the pandemic they’ve often been allowed to supplement it with COVID-19 funds.

The 317 funds have been flat for years, even as costs of everything from salaries to vaccines went up. A 2023 CDC report to Congress estimated $1.6 billion was needed to fully fund a comprehensive 317 vaccine program. Last year, Congress approved less than half that: $682 million.

This, along with insufficient state and local funding, forces hard choices. Dr. Kelly Moore, a preventive medicine specialist, said she faced this dilemma when directing Tennessee’s immunization program from 2004 to 2018.

“What diseases can we afford to prevent and how many people can we afford to protect? Those decisions have to be made every year by every state,” said Moore, who now runs the advocacy group Immunize.org.

A rural clinic may have to be closed, or evening and weekend hours eliminated, she said. “It becomes difficult for them to staff the clinics they have and difficult for the people in those communities to access them, especially if they’re the working poor.”

At the same time, health officials say more funding is needed to fight misinformation and mistrust about vaccines. In a 2023 survey by the National Association of County and City Health Officials, 80% of local health departments reported vaccine hesitancy among patients or their parents in the previous year, up from 56% in 2017.

“If we don’t invest in education, it becomes even more difficult to get these diseases under control,” Moore said.

https://apnews.com/article/measles-texas-vaccines-funding-cuts-5785985d6b74024b0502f6a2fc1576e2
 
Like a month ago?


Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. appears to be changing his tune on certain vaccines after years of casting doubt on their efficacy. He penned an op-ed titled “Measles Outbreak is a Call to Action for Us All” that was posted to Fox News’ website Sunday, March 2.

Or in feb ?

During the week of Feb. 24, Kennedy told reporters the outbreak is “not unusual,” but in Sunday’s op-ed, he said he’s “deeply concerned” about the spread of the disease.

While acknowledging the decision to vaccinate is “deeply personal,” Kennedy is now speaking out in favor of them.

“Vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons,” Kennedy said

He added this outbreak is a “call to action for all of us to reaffirm our commitment to public health.”

His call-to-action was on op-ed that was posted on *checks notes*, a Fox News website.


We had some weak stock that needed culling. The great white north up Andy way does that naturally. Listen. This entire board has a massive issue with freedom if it's expressed by "political enemies". We seriously need to recognize and value the freedom of choice we are allowed. I fear it's not to last forever.

Freedom of choice doesn't negate repercussions for said choices. You die cuz your beliefs? Your child dies or is kidnapped, excuse me, taken into state custody? You undergo sex change surgery and get life threatening infection? Sorry, you live with the results of your actions.

Appreciate the fact people can make choices so incomprehensible on a personal level all you can do is point laugh and shake your head. Its as if many here, (not singling you out Big A) want nothing more than a world of like minded dunderheads. I don't know about yall, but I get enjoyment out of joking and trolling choices I don't agree with. I sure as hell don't get bent out of shape. Unless you're trying to impose your will upon me and eliminate my ability to choose.

Yeah, you're a piece of shit.
 
What are people’s thoughts on pediatricians being financially incentivized by insurance companies to vaccinate kids?
 
What are people’s thoughts on pediatricians being financially incentivized by insurance companies to vaccinate kids?
I don’t think that’s happening, at least as a general rule. I know there have been a couple of specific programs in specific places which tried this out, but in general doctors aren’t getting kickbacks to vaccinate people.
 
I don’t think that’s happening, at least as a general rule. I know there have been a couple of specific programs in specific places which tried this out, but in general doctors aren’t getting kickbacks to vaccinate people.
Huh? It’s well known and widespread.

You weren’t aware?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1508536/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(16)00038-6/fulltext

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3029849/

https://www.sgim.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/SGIM-Pay-for-Performance-Position-Statement-2008.pdf
 
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Your first link is a study done to observe the effects of that exact thing. Like it was a literal trial of that exact idea.
The rest are about Medicaid P4P programs which definitely are a thing, but I think only in certain states, and they aren’t solely about vaccines but rather larger-scale patient outcomes, satisfaction, etc.

Awhile back there was some fake social media nonsense making the rounds that Blue Cross doctors were paid bonuses based on vaccine quotas and stuff like that, that’s what I was thinking

Anyway, if we’re talking Medicaid P4P it depends on the plan, I guess. The problem with not incentivizing that in some way is that it can become more financially lucrative to treat conditions repeatedly rather than prevent them.
 
Incorrect . We have a measels outbreak here.

Australia is also on alert for measles outbreaks. Sporadic cases have been reported across the country, including 50 cases in the first quarter of 2025

Uk

Since 1 January 2025, there have been 213 laboratory confirmed measles cases reported in England. 24% (52 of 213) of these cases have been in London, 21% (44 of 213) in the South West and 17% (37 of 213) in Yorkshire and Humber.


Usa is a immunized country... more immunised than the uk mate.

They just got unlucky.... it has nothing to do with immunisation rates...

Wish these kids would stopped being used as political football.

In 2023-24, the UK's measles vaccination coverage rate was 83.9% for the second dose of the MMR vaccine (measles, mumps, and rubella) by the age of five, a decrease of 0.6 percentage points from the previous year.


Below Target:
The 83.9% coverage rate is below the 95% target for routine childhood immunisations in the UK.


Usa - 91% vaccination rate.


Of the 17 countries compared, the US ranks just 12th in measles immunization coverage, with a 91% coverage rate. Countries like Singapore, Mongolia, Russia, and China – all of which spend significantly less than the US on healthcare per capita– are among those that boast higher coverage rates.

The two deaths were mennonite children.. who do not get vaccinated for religous reaaons... its just extremly unlucky it got into that community .

And how it did. Is a valid question
Of course it has to do with vaccination rates. What the fuck are you talking about? You can have parts of the country where rates are high and parts where rates are low--e.g. southern US states--and the worst outbreaks will be in those areas.
 
Your first link is a study done to observe the effects of that exact thing. Like it was a literal trial of that exact idea.
The rest are about Medicaid P4P programs which definitely are a thing, but I think only in certain states, and they aren’t solely about vaccines but rather larger-scale patient outcomes, satisfaction, etc.

Awhile back there was some fake social media nonsense making the rounds that Blue Cross doctors were paid bonuses based on vaccine quotas and stuff like that, that’s what I was thinking

Anyway, if we’re talking Medicaid P4P it depends on the plan, I guess. The problem with not incentivizing that in some way is that it can become more financially lucrative to treat conditions repeatedly rather than prevent them.
BCBS issue was people extrapolating the total incentive. The incentives do exist with BSCS, but it’s not $40,000 like the claim said.

I know the first was a study on the topic. I was just wondering what people thought about the practice.
 
BCBS issue was people extrapolating the total incentive. The incentives do exist with BSCS, but it’s not $40,000 like the claim said.

I know the first was a study on the topic. I was just wondering what people thought about the practice.
Fair enough. I think a good doctor should be recommending vaccines to patients who are within the CDC guidelines for them, and also educating patients and parents as needed.
I’m not the biggest fan of financial incentives for treatment in general, but like I mentioned there is a real concern for cost overall—like, doctors and healthcare providers could end up billing someone’s insurance multiple times for various reasons while treating an illness, rather than focusing on prevention. So I think it’s possible to do it the right way, but man our healthcare system has so many problems with incentives, insurance bullshit, crazy costs, and the like. I’d rather have a whole new system.
 
Fair enough. I think a good doctor should be recommending vaccines to patients who are within the CDC guidelines for them, and also educating patients and parents as needed.
I’m not the biggest fan of financial incentives for treatment in general, but like I mentioned there is a real concern for cost overall—like, doctors and healthcare providers could end up billing someone’s insurance multiple times for various reasons while treating an illness, rather than focusing on prevention. So I think it’s possible to do it the right way, but man our healthcare system has so many problems with incentives, insurance bullshit, crazy costs, and the like. I’d rather have a whole new system.
Couldn’t agree more
 
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