Social Alberta has more measles cases than the US

[mooseman17]

Have you met an Albertan outside of people from edmonton? They're the dumbest, most confident jerkoff you've ever met.

Vancouverites really do love the smell of their own farts eh. Also, lol at Edmonton, you sure you aren’t from Victoria?

 

[gatchaman]

There were also over 100 people/kids that were hospitalized that didn't need to be.

I don't think that the Alberta health system is going to collapse from 14 active cases of measles. But maybe you can run the same script that worked for you when you confused from-Covid/with-Covid like Deena Hinshaw did when she said that boy with the brain tumor died of Covid.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/hinshaw-apologizes-to-family-of-14-year-old-after-saying-he-died-from-covid-19-1.6210691

You and CTV news (the source of your article that never loses a chance to tell us all what a bad job Danielle Smith is doing, while net migration is from the rest of Canada to Alberta) like Deena Hinshaw, right? Why don't you go ahead and hire Deena Hinshaw to lead public health in your province, and maybe she will deliver all the sky is falling rhetoric over measles that you crave.

 

[HereticBD]

Damn you, RFK!

 

[scorpiorising]

Vancouverites really do love the smell of their own farts eh. Also, lol at Edmonton, you sure you aren’t from Victoria?

Nope I love all of Canada except 70% of Albertans. For whatever reason there are so many Albertans here this summer to. They drive like the jerkoffs they are to. Selfish cunts almost down to a T.

 

[HomeCheese]

Do you have a citation?

https://www.chfs.ky.gov/agencies/dp....aspx?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery

Total Data for Confirmed Cases of Measles in Kentucky 2025
Cases by County of Residence

County	Cases
Fayette	6
Franklin	1
Jefferson	1
Todd	1
Woodford	3
International resident*	1
TOTAL	13

*Diagnosed in Kentucky

I must have misread the original article I search up, I stand corrected though I suspect the US is not fully counting cases. I do not trust the RFK team.

 

[Lycandroid]

The Freedom Convoy TM. Aka the Darwins. Aka Little MAGA town. Aka antimaskers & antivaxxers.

Anti vaxxers weren't really a thing at all until covid. If you want to blame somebody for trust in vaccines blame the government for mandating a vaccine, that did not vaccinate you, that had health risks that they hid from you, gaslit people who were injured by it, used the pandemic to give them increased powers which still have not be reigned in years later.

Of course I can assume you bought into it all hook line and sinker. You strike me as the kind of guy who wears a mask while driving alone.

Have you met an Albertan outside of people from edmonton? They're the dumbest, most confident jerkoff you've ever met.

I'd be confident too if I bankrolled the rest of the country

Nope I love all of Canada except 70% of Albertans. For whatever reason there are so many Albertans here this summer to. They drive like the jerkoffs they are to. Selfish cunts almost down to a T.

Where are you from ? Vancouver Island ? I would assume so because you sound like a smug asshole disconnected from reality.

 

[scorpiorising]

Anti vaxxers weren't really a thing at all until covid. If you want to blame somebody for trust in vaccines blame the government for mandating a vaccine, that did not vaccinate you, that had health risks that they hid from you, gaslit people who were injured by it, used the pandemic to give them increased powers which still have not be reigned in years later.

Of course I can assume you bought into it all hook line and sinker. You strike me as the kind of guy who wears a mask while driving alone.

I'd be confident too if I bankrolled the rest of the country

Where are you from ? Vancouver Island ? I would assume so because you sound like a smug asshole disconnected from reality.

Im from alberta

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Diversity is your strength though

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

I don't think that the Alberta health system is going to collapse from 14 active cases of measles. But maybe you can run the same script that worked for you when you confused from-Covid/with-Covid like Deena Hinshaw did when she said that boy with the brain tumor died of Covid.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/hinshaw-apologizes-to-family-of-14-year-old-after-saying-he-died-from-covid-19-1.6210691

You and CTV news (the source of your article that never loses a chance to tell us all what a bad job Danielle Smith is doing, while net migration is from the rest of Canada to Alberta) like Deena Hinshaw, right? Why don't you go ahead and hire Deena Hinshaw to lead public health in your province, and maybe she will deliver all the sky is falling rhetoric over measles that you crave.

And when did I say the AHS was going to collapse from this outbreak, I don't recall. I'm asking why over 100 hospitalizations were needed when Measles was eradicated with the vaccine and heard immunity. Also when did I confuse Covid/with-Covid like Deena Hinshaw?

 

[gatchaman]

And when did I say the AHS was going to collapse from this outbreak, I don't recall. I'm asking why over 100 hospitalizations were needed when Measles was eradicated with the vaccine and heard immunity. Also when did I confuse Covid/with-Covid like Deena Hinshaw?

I would like you to substantiate the 100 hospitalizations as having an admission diagnosis of measles to make sure that we are not confusing hospitalization from-measles/with-measles like death from-Covid/with-Covid was confused by Deena Hinshaw.

In any case, we are agreed that there have been exactly zero deaths from measles in Alberta, over 1000 cases of measles (of which only 14 are currently active) and zero deaths. What's the worst thing that happened to one of these over 1000 patients that is attributable to the measles? How does this worst thing compare to lifetime autism? If the worst thing is not as bad as autism then maybe the prudent thing for parents to do at this point is to wait for RFK Jr's autism analysis. Maybe RFK Jr will do for vaccine safety what Ralph Nader did for automobile safety. Should vaccine manufacturers have the liability immunity that they presently have?

Also, I don't agree with your declaration that measles is eradicated when a certain portion of the population is vaccinated. There is a vaccine for pertussis but not scarlet fever, but I don't think that you can claim that pertussis is eradicated while scarlet fever is not. Both have been reduced, so there is a pathway to the reduction of disease other than vaccination.

 

[AmonTobin]

Anti vaxxers weren't really a thing at all until covid.

Even if that were the case, that’s plenty of time to spread things like measles and polio. Many years before Covid, vaccine apprehension started to pick up steam when celebrities began broadcasting a false link between vaccines and autism.

If you want to blame somebody for trust in vaccines blame the government for mandating a vaccine, that did not vaccinate you, that had health risks that they hid from you, gaslit people who were injured by it, used the pandemic to give them increased powers which still have not be reigned in years later.

Of course I can assume you bought into it all hook line and sinker. You strike me as the kind of guy who wears a mask while driving alone.

No I still blame antivaxxers. I know more about inoculation and public health than any of them.

 

[PBAC]

Alberta ... hmmm sounds like a Muslim name.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

I would like you to substantiate the 100 hospitalizations as having an admission diagnosis of measles to make sure that we are not confusing hospitalization from-measles/with-measles like death from-Covid/with-Covid was confused by Deena Hinshaw.

https://www.alberta.ca/measles

In any case, we are agreed that there have been exactly zero deaths from measles in Alberta, over 1000 cases of measles (of which only 14 are currently active) and zero deaths. What's the worst thing that happened to one of these over 1000 patients that is attributable to the measles? How does this worst thing compare to lifetime autism? If the worst thing is not as bad as autism then maybe the prudent thing for parents to do at this point is to wait for RFK Jr's autism analysis. Maybe RFK Jr will do for vaccine safety what Ralph Nader did for automobile safety. Should vaccine manufacturers have the liability immunity that they presently have?

Why are you comparing measles injuries to a lifetime of autism?

Also, I don't agree with your declaration that measles is eradicated when a certain portion of the population is vaccinated. There is a vaccine for pertussis but not scarlet fever, but I don't think that you can claim that pertussis is eradicated while scarlet fever is not. Both have been reduced, so there is a pathway to the reduction of disease other than vaccination.

I didn't say that vaccination was the only way, but that it's the method we used for Measles.

 

[Andy Capp]

Anti vaxxers weren't really a thing at all until covid. If you want to blame somebody for trust in vaccines blame the government for mandating a vaccine, that did not vaccinate you, that had health risks that they hid from you, gaslit people who were injured by it, used the pandemic to give them increased powers which still have not be reigned in years later.

Of course I can assume you bought into it all hook line and sinker. You strike me as the kind of guy who wears a mask while driving alone.

I'd be confident too if I bankrolled the rest of the country

Where are you from ? Vancouver Island ? I would assume so because you sound like a smug asshole disconnected from reality.

You never get tired of affirming my low opinion of you, do you?
LOL @ claiming all these people getting measles are no more than 5 years old.

Measles and Rubella Weekly Monitoring Report — Canada.ca

Weekly surveillance reports and monitoring maps for measles and rubella. Data are updated every Monday.

health-infobase.canada.ca

Table 3. Epidemiological summary of measles cases in Canada, 2025Footnote1 (n=3,822)
5 to 17 years 1,722 45%
18 to 54 years 1,066 28%

Alberta 1,231 32%
Ontario 2,245 59%

You have no idea what you're talking about, to the surprise of no one.

 

[gatchaman]

https://www.alberta.ca/measles

Why are you comparing measles injuries to a lifetime of autism?



I didn't say that vaccination was the only way, but that it's the method we used for Measles.

On a population level, it is possible that vaccines make no difference because scarlet fever and pertussis have both reduced, so it is entirely possible that using the scarlet fever approach and applying to pertussis would have achieved the same outcome without vaccines (without the risk of vaccine side effects).

I am comparing measles injuries to a lifetime of autism because the possibility of a connection between autism and measles has been raised in the scientific literature. You think that measles vaccination should be continued until a connection is better established, but there was a time that smoking was not as firmly connected to various cancers and cardiovascular disease, and doctors would testify that there was no connection. RFK Jr has promised to open the debate, and I don't dismiss people a wait-and-see approach, especially when no children have died during the recent measles outbreak in Alberta. My aunt was offered Thalidomide in pregnancy in Canada, but she refused based on questions she heard being asked in Europe; was she an ignorant redneck for not trusting her physician on this matter? We have seen with our own eyes that people were cancelled for raising concerns about Covid-19 vaccine side effects, as the Answers for Sean Dad's testimony was erased from the municipal records, and now there will be blowback to other vaccines.

As with smoking, there are financial incentives to push pharmaceutical company products, even unsafe ones, which is why I think that you should answer the question from my previous post: Should vaccine manufacturers have the liability immunity that they presently have?

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

On a population level, it is possible that vaccines make no difference because scarlet fever and pertussis have both reduced, so it is entirely possible that using the scarlet fever approach and applying to pertussis would have achieved the same outcome without vaccines (without the risk of vaccine side effects).

They are two very different pathogens. We used antibiotics and improved hygiene to battle Scarlett Fever as we couldn't develop a vaccine because of the complexities of the multiple mutating strains. With pertussis, antibiotics can help reduce severity of the symptoms but it does not really help with transmission.

Here's the graph of Pertussis cases after the vaccines:

I am comparing measles injuries to a lifetime of autism because the possibility of a connection between autism and measles has been raised in the scientific literature. You think that measles vaccination should be continued until a connection is better established, but there was a time that smoking was not as firmly connected to various cancers and cardiovascular disease, and doctors would testify that there was no connection. RFK Jr has promised to open the debate, and I don't dismiss people a wait-and-see approach, especially when no children have died during the recent measles outbreak in Alberta. My aunt was offered Thalidomide in pregnancy in Canada, but she refused based on questions she heard being asked in Europe; was she an ignorant redneck for not trusting her physician on this matter? We have seen with our own eyes that people were cancelled for raising concerns about Covid-19 vaccine side effects, as the Answers for Sean Dad's testimony was erased from the municipal records, and now there will be blowback to other vaccines.

So a "possibility of a connection" between autism and measles has been raised in scientific literature? How about these studies:

https://www.who.int/groups/global-a...vaccine-safety/topics/mmr-vaccines-and-autism

“No evidence exists of a causal association between MMR vaccine and autism or autistic disorders”

https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/conditions/autism

“No link has been found between autism and vaccines, including those containing thimerosal, a mercury-based compound”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa021134

This study followed 537,303 children born in Denmark between 1991 and 1998. It found no increased risk of autism in children who received the MMR vaccine compared to those who did not.
Conclusion: “This study provides strong evidence against the hypothesis that MMR vaccination causes autism.”

https://en.ssi.dk/news/news/2019/no-association-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism

SSI’s study includes a total of 657,461 children born between 1999 and 2010. They were followed from the age of 1 year until August 2013, and the researchers linked data from the Danish Civil Registration System (CPR) with data from the Danish Vaccination Registry (DDV), reports of autism diagnoses etc.

The study found no association between MMR vaccine and autism

Why aren't you citing this scientific literature instead of your "possibility of a connection"?

As with smoking, there are financial incentives to push pharmaceutical company products, even unsafe ones, which is why I think that you should answer the question from my previous post: Should vaccine manufacturers have the liability immunity that they presently have?

I believe that if vaccine manufactures do not follow safety standards and there is evidence of fraud and or gross negligence, then yes they should face liability.

Now a question for you, if someone is injured by a pathogen where a vaccine could have protected a community, can that person sue the people that refused that vaccine?

 

[Khaosan]

They're probably getting measles on purpose just to feel more American.

 

[gatchaman]

They are two very different pathogens. We used antibiotics and improved hygiene to battle Scarlett Fever as we couldn't develop a vaccine because of the complexities of the multiple mutating strains. With pertussis, antibiotics can help reduce severity of the symptoms but it does not really help with transmission.

Here's the graph of Pertussis cases after the vaccines:

So a "possibility of a connection" between autism and measles has been raised in scientific literature? How about these studies:

https://www.who.int/groups/global-a...vaccine-safety/topics/mmr-vaccines-and-autism

“No evidence exists of a causal association between MMR vaccine and autism or autistic disorders”

https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/conditions/autism

“No link has been found between autism and vaccines, including those containing thimerosal, a mercury-based compound”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa021134

This study followed 537,303 children born in Denmark between 1991 and 1998. It found no increased risk of autism in children who received the MMR vaccine compared to those who did not.
Conclusion: “This study provides strong evidence against the hypothesis that MMR vaccination causes autism.”

https://en.ssi.dk/news/news/2019/no-association-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism

SSI’s study includes a total of 657,461 children born between 1999 and 2010. They were followed from the age of 1 year until August 2013, and the researchers linked data from the Danish Civil Registration System (CPR) with data from the Danish Vaccination Registry (DDV), reports of autism diagnoses etc.

The study found no association between MMR vaccine and autism

Why aren't you citing this scientific literature instead of your "possibility of a connection"?



I believe that if vaccine manufactures do not follow safety standards and there is evidence of fraud and or gross negligence, then yes they should face liability.

Now a question for you, if someone is injured by a pathogen where a vaccine could have protected a community, can that person sue the people that refused that vaccine?

The graph looks different depending on your study population and date range.

The link has the purported original figures and a talk by pediatrician Lawrence Palevsky:

Did diseases decline because of vaccines? Not according to history…

“VACCINATION DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE IMPRESSIVE DECLINES IN MORTALITY SEEN IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE CENTURY…NEARLY 90% OF THE DECLINE IN INFECTIOUS DISEASE MORTALITY AMONG US CHILDREN OCCURRED BEFORE 1940, WHEN FEW ANTIBIOTICS OR VACCINES WERE AVAILABLE.” — ANNUAL SUMMARY OF VITAL STATISTICS...

learntherisk.org

And neither your graphs or mine are looking at deaths from the vaccine. Igor Chudov seems to think there's something to see here: https://www.igor-chudov.com/p/are-childhood-vaccines-safe-dtp-vaccine

We can debate it here, but I'm not sure I will do as well as Lawrence Palevsky would do, and I want to see the best debaters go at it, with no excuses of the dangers of giving the other side a platform.

I am where my aunt was when she was offered Thalidomide during pregnancy. She wasn't confident that she could trust the physician in front of her telling her it was safe, and she judged that she wasn't at much risk of harm from anxiety anyways, so she risked anxiety figuring anxiety wasn't going to kill her and she avoided an unkown risk (at the time) of limb defects in her baby.

Similarly, I can go forth knowing that over a thousand people got measles recently in Alberta and no one has died. If a child death is attributed to measles, I will have to keep in mind that the Alberta health authority, in the person of Deena Hinshaw, has a track record of lying to me regarding whether that kid with the brain tumor died of Covid. So I can afford to wait and see if RFK Jr provides a useful debate between vaccine heavyweights with no excuses of cancel culture in the name of preventing a platform for vaccine hesitancy. You don't think I need to wait, and that you have all the answers now, but your side no has a track record of lying to me and of cancel culture.

"I believe that if vaccine manufactures do not follow safety standards and there is evidence of fraud and or gross negligence, then yes they should face liability." This is a non-answer by you. You see this list of lawsuit settlements: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements
There's no vaccines on it because the vaccine makers successfully argued to Ronald Reagan that they would go out business if the vaccines were subject to the same standards as Avandia or Bextra are today. So vaccines get their own court and injuries are compensated from tax dollars. Do you agree with me that the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 should be repealed and vaccines should have the same legal standards as Avandia and Bextra?

"Now a question for you, if someone is injured by a pathogen where a vaccine could have protected a community, can that person sue the people that refused that vaccine?" I don't know if that person can sue in this case, but I would hope that such a suit would not be successful. You are not even causally connecting the transmission from the unvacinated person. I'll give you a better example: There's a bus accident, and a prostitute unintentionally bleeds her HIV+ blood on you, and you get AIDS; should she have to pay you because her illegal activity of being a prostitute caused her to unintentionally give you AIDS? For the record, I hope that this lawsuit would also fail.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

The article is incorrect I think. In just Kentucky there have been over 1,200 cases in 2025. It seems like the publication did not do any fact checking?

https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/track-measles-outbreak-cases-us-map-rcna198932

Doesn't seem to be incorrect. As of last week Kentucky had 7 cases for the year.

 

[Lycandroid]

You never get tired of affirming my low opinion of you, do you?
LOL @ claiming all these people getting measles are no more than 5 years old.

Measles and Rubella Weekly Monitoring Report — Canada.ca

Weekly surveillance reports and monitoring maps for measles and rubella. Data are updated every Monday.

health-infobase.canada.ca

Table 3. Epidemiological summary of measles cases in Canada, 2025Footnote1 (n=3,822)
5 to 17 years 1,722 45%
18 to 54 years 1,066 28%

Alberta 1,231 32%
Ontario 2,245 59%

You have no idea what you're talking about, to the surprise of no one.

sweet I got 4 laugh gifs this time, fucking killing it as always

Reasonable suspicion of a new drug and current drugs that have shown adverse effects does not make you anti vaxxer, most people who opposed the covid shot weren't against all vaccines and likely had all their shots previously.