Jon Jones is gonna reality check alot of people who assume Aspinall will be a threat

[SuperAlly]

Lol we all know the answer to that. This is my issue with this fight is he’ll be fighting someone who is very much still up-and-coming.

This is an embarrassingly shit take

Once you are interim champ you are way beyond "up and coming"

This really is retarded shit

 

[Dbreiden83080]

This is an embarrassingly shit take

Once you are interim champ you are way beyond "up and coming"

This really is retarded shit

For a 2009 account you should know better. Jones has beat all-time legends, and it was dismissed as them being old, injured, whatever. Not just Jones obviously you can put any fighter in there that had a great victory. There was some excuse, tied to it.

Is Tom an all-time great heavyweight right now? Is he Cain, Fedor, hell he’s NOT even prime Stipe. Tom is not some heavyweight with years of dominance behind him. He’s having a great run but we’ve seen tons of fighters have great runs, then suddenly fall off and their career go completely downhill. From my perspective most of his reputation right now is this perception that he might be able to be the only guy to defeat Jones. If that doesn’t happen we all know what’s going to be said. OVERRATED!!

 

[Luthien]

I can't wait. Will be some good crow eating

 

[SuperAlly]

For a 2009 account you should know better. Jones has beat all-time legends, and it was dismissed as them being old, injured, whatever. Not just Jones obviously you can put any fighter in there that had a great victory. There was some excuse, tied to it.

Is Tom an all-time great heavyweight right now? Is he Cain, Fedor, hell he’s NOT even prime Stipe. Tom is not some heavyweight with years of dominance behind him. He’s having a great run but we’ve seen tons of fighters have great runs, then suddenly fall off and their career go completely downhill. From my perspective most of his reputation right now is this perception that he might be able to be the only guy to defeat Jones. If that doesn’t happen we all know what’s going to be said. OVERRATED!!

Didn't read your post because you responded to a critique of your retarded take about Aspinall being an up and comer by talking about Jones

As a human being over 12 years old you should know you can't defend an argument on one topic by talking about something completely separate

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Didn't read your post because you responded to a critique of your retarded take about Aspinall being an up and comer by talking about Jones

As a human being over 12 years old you should know you can't defend an argument on one topic by talking about something completely separate

So you didn’t read my post and then you go on to tell me that you did read my post by critiquing what I said. Are you incredibly hung over this morning or something? Have some orange juice, have something to eat and get back to me when you are actually ready to step up to the plate on this discussion. Tom is a tremendous fighter. But he’s not a legend. What is Jones gaining from fighting him in terms of his legacy exactly? Let’s put it like this. What will people say about Tom the Sunday morning after the fight if he loses?

 

[SuperAlly]

So you didn’t read my post and then you go on to tell me that you did read my post by critiquing what I said. Are you incredibly hung over this morning or something? Have some orange juice, have something to eat and get back to me when you are actually ready to step up to the plate on this discussion. Tom is a tremendous fighter. But he’s not a legend. What is Jones gaining from fighting him in terms of his legacy exactly? Let’s put it like this. What will people say about Tom the Sunday morning after the fight if he loses?

Didn't read your post because you are talking shite

You made a contention the guy who is interim champ is an "up and comer". That's patently spasticated nonsense and no alpine of discussion about another fighter being GOAT and beating other fighters easily changes the fact that it's dumb as fuck to refer to Aspinall as an up and comer

So again, I didnt read beyond the first line of the current post

You are doubling down on a clearly false premise of your lengthy replies say anything other than "you are correct, it was stupid of me to call the interim champ who has knocked out a large number of the current top 10 in a round or less as merely an 'up and comer'"

 

[Dionysian]

lol @ history repeating itself

Jon vs Francis: Jon is not favored. Jon says over and over he won't fight him. Jon fans spam 1000 threads saying when they fight Jon will beat him.
Jon vs Tom: Jon is not favored. Jon says over and over he won't fight him. Jon fans spam 1000 threads saying when they fight Jon will beat him.

They aren't fighting. Because Jon knows the outcome. So spam another 1000 threads and do your job until Dana's paper "outgrappling white belt Gane" title is inevitably forfeited. Or spam threads calling for Jones vs Alex because Tom doesn't deserve blahblahblah.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Cool story.
You sound confident.
I would assume you are putting at least 10k down for a wager? Remember to post your betting slip.

Tom has more than a few minutes in him. He can knock Jon out at any point. Even though he should be coming in as the underdog.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Didn't read your post because you are talking shite

You made a contention the guy who is interim champ is an "up and comer". That's patently spasticated nonsense and no alpine of discussion about another fighter being GOAT and beating other fighters easily changes the fact that it's dumb as fuck to refer to Aspinall as an up and comer

So again, I didnt read beyond the first line of the current post

You are doubling down on a clearly false premise of your lengthy replies say anything other than "you are correct, it was stupid of me to call the interim champ who has knocked out a large number of the current top 10 in a round or less as merely an 'up and comer'"

I’ll try to keep this short since you are so lazy beyond about two sentences you check out mentally completely. Tom is not an all-time great fighter right now. You can hang onto my up-and-coming line until you are blue in the face. It changes nothing. If Tom loses this fight, he will be disregarded as an overrated heavyweight opponent. That’s a fact.

You talk about how he’s been on a roll knocking out top 10 opponents. Congratulations name the fighter he’s fought that has a legacy? Name the fighter he’s defeated that has a legacy? What’s his name?

This is partially why Jones doesn’t want the fight. He’s not facing a fellow legend or somebody that would really elevate his legacy. Everything about Tom is about can he defeat Jones? You know it, I know it, and anybody without a nasty hangover also knows it. Let me ask you this if Jones wins will you be saying it greatly elevated his legacy? Like he’s without question the goat with no other possible fighters being in contention?

 

[JBJ was here]

lol @ history repeating itself

Jon vs Francis: Jon is not favored. Jon says over and over he won't fight him. Jon fans spam 1000 threads saying when they fight Jon will beat him.
Jon vs Tom: Jon is not favored. Jon says over and over he won't fight him. Jon fans spam 1000 threads saying when they fight Jon will beat him.

They aren't fighting. Because Jon knows the outcome. So spam another 1000 threads and do your job until Dana's paper "outgrappling white belt Gane" title is inevitably forfeited. Or spam threads calling for Jones vs Alex because Tom doesn't deserve blahblahblah.

While Jon Jones may well have been avoiding Ngannou before the Ngannou vs. Gane fight, the notion that after that fight Jon Jones wasn't champing at the beat to beat the ever-loving-fuck out of Ngannou is patently stupid. No one who actually watched that fight thinks that Jon Jones was in any way wary of facing Ngannou afterwards.

 

[JKS]

So you didn’t read my post and then you go on to tell me that you did read my post by critiquing what I said. Are you incredibly hung over this morning or something? Have some orange juice, have something to eat and get back to me when you are actually ready to step up to the plate on this discussion. Tom is a tremendous fighter. But he’s not a legend. What is Jones gaining from fighting him in terms of his legacy exactly? Let’s put it like this. What will people say about Tom the Sunday morning after the fight if he loses?

Well, for one Jones will beat the best HW of this decade. I don't think it can really be argued who the best HW has been since 2020. Tom is also a defending interim champ so that definitely counts for something.

But to your point, Tom is not a legend or a highly established top level HW for like 5-7 years. The bigger value in beating Tom at this point may come more after than in the current. In the event that Jon wins and retires, and Tom takes over and goes on a great run at HW, then Jon's win over him will have more and more value. So it's really more a future investment in legacy while beating the best current HW. Like Floyd beating Canalo for example. The value is good now, but could be great down the line. But that's unknown as we don't know what Tom will do after.

Personally, I dont see anyone at HW beating Tom. So I think it's a good best that Jon's win will age well.

 

[Human Bass]

I’ll try to keep this short since you are so lazy beyond about two sentences you check out mentally completely. Tom is not an all-time great fighter right now. You can hang onto my up-and-coming line until you are blue in the face. It changes nothing. If Tom loses this fight, he will be disregarded as an overrated heavyweight opponent. That’s a fact.

You talk about how he’s been on a roll knocking out top 10 opponents. Congratulations name the fighter he’s fought that has a legacy? Name the fighter he’s defeated that has a legacy? What’s his name?

This is partially why Jones doesn’t want the fight. He’s not facing a fellow legend or somebody that would really elevate his legacy. Everything about Tom is about can he defeat Jones? You know it, I know it, and anybody without a nasty hangover also knows it. Let me ask you this if Jones wins will you be saying it greatly elevated his legacy? Like he’s without question the goat with no other possible fighters being in contention?

Jones improves his legacy by fighting the best, not some "big name". If he defeats a younger, faster, bigger guy who is the best KO artist of the UFC and a also pretty good grappler, it will elevate his legacy.

Poatan took 4 rounds to finish Rountree, got a very close decision against Jan, those things alone put Alex way below Aspinall as a challenge.

 

[JKS]

While Jon Jones may well have been avoiding Ngannou before the Ngannou vs. Gane fight, the notion that after that fight Jon Jones wasn't champing at the beat to beat the ever-loving-fuck out of Ngannou is patently stupid. No one who actually watched that fight thinks that Jon Jones was in any way wary of facing Ngannou afterwards.

Jon agreed for the Ngannou fight, he didn't avoid him. Ngannou had the fight offer for UFC 285 vs Jones and didn't take the fight so Jon fought Gane.

It's one of the biggest fairy tales on here that Jon was avoiding Ngannou and only moved up when he left. It's BS, Jon was slated for UFC 285 and they offered the fight to Francis and he declined.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Well, for one Jones will beat the best HW of this decade. I don't think it can really be argued who the best HW has been since 2020. Tom is also a defending interim champ so that definitely counts for something.

But to your point, Tom is not a legend or a highly established top level HW for like 5-7 years. The bigger value in beating Tom at this point may come more after than in the current. In the event that Jon wins and retires, and Tom takes over and goes on a great run at HW, then Jon's win over him will have more and more value. So it's really more a future investment in legacy while beating the best current HW. Like Floyd beating Canalo for example. The value is good now, but could be great down the line. But that's unknown as we don't know what Tom will do after.

Personally, I dont see anyone at HW beating Tom. So I think it's a good best that Jon's win will age well.

A very reasonable and accurate take. I mostly agree. I think this is why Jones is very hesitant because it doesn’t do a lot for his legacy right now. If Tom loses it to Jones and then goes on a massive run in the next few years and is killing everybody, then it greatly adds to Jones Legacy. But right now I don’t think it does much of anything. If Tom loses, he’s just another guy that Jones beat.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Jones improves his legacy by fighting the best, not some "big name". If he defeats a younger, faster, bigger guy who is the best KO artist of the UFC and a also pretty good grappler, it will elevate his legacy.

Poatan took 4 rounds to finish Rountree, got a very close decision against Jan, those things alone put Alex way below Aspinall as a challenge.

Jones has been facing the best his entire career. He has more names on his résumé than anybody. But Tom is not a big name in terms of legacy right now. He just isn’t. People are hyping it up mostly because they think he might be able to beat Jones. But if he doesn’t, who is he? He’s another guy that lost to Jones.

 

[BowserJr]

I will say it right now! Tom Aspinall has a punchers chance and his window of winning the fight closes in the first round heck not even first round but first minutes of first round where he has his explosiveness. Jon Jones is to smart to get caught by a one shoot he has fought gazilions of guys with one punch KO power etc etc.

The Amount of arsenal Jon Jones has is to great for Aspinall. Heck I won´t even be surprised if Jones finishes him in the first round.

Jones knows that Aspinall is same level as Ciryl Gane and past first round he is done. Tom Aspinall has never taken any of the shoots Jones is gonna throw at him and fighting chinny slow HWs is nothing compared to Jon Jones which is completely different world of difference. Throwing some haymakers at random heavyweights who have no IQ is nothing comparable to sharing an octagon with Jon Jones.

I don´t think Aspinall is ready because he has never seen adversary in his career aside from his knee injury and fight was stopped. Jon is intelligent, fast and lethal. He is experienced and has been thru wars and extremely elusive this will frustrate Aspinall from first few mins when he realize holyshxt this guy is elusive and he is hitting me everytime with something big. This will be the beginning of the end Aspinall will feel like a fish out of water..

Lets take a look at each of their strengths and weaknesses and how they fight.

Grappling
Jones has better wrestling and arguably better grappling overall but Tom is no slouch on the ground so he could likely negate most of Jones attackes. Especially in terms of submissions

Striking
This is where it's most interesting. Tom has legit 1 shot KO power in his hands, speed, combos, footwork and much better overall boxing. Jones is better in terms of kicks, especially body kicks. Jones has good knees but we haven't seen it in a while since it's good mostly against much smaller opponents. His elbows are good too. On the ground and his spinning elbow is good when he sets it up with td faints.

Getting hit by a heavy hitter at HW leads to getting KOed no matter how skilled you are everywhere so I give an edge to Tom here since guarding against punches in HW mma is hard especially when the guy is fast and crisp and for Jones the reach advantage is not as great as it was at LHW. Jones got tagged many times by Gus, Santos and Reyes but none of them hit as hard as Tom. Stipe was old, slow and not as mobile as his younger days so IMO its not a good measure. Gane is fast and mobile but he doesn't hit as hard as Tom and he has little tdd and no sub defense. Jones could mess upnToms knees with oblique kicks but that dangerous at HW since again the reach isn't there and Tom could counter with. Ko punch

Takedowns/transitions
Jones has the clear advantage here and most likely this is how he wins. I could easily see Jones getting takedowns at some point each round as long as Tom doesn't land a heavy punch first. If Jon can get takedowns I dont see him submitting Tom but I could see him riding out top control and tiring Tom out along with landing gnp, eventually getting a tko in champ rounds.

Jon clearly has more tools to win but it will be the toughest test since Tom has an attribute combo that none of Jon's opponents have had. Size, strength, reach, youth, good striking and good grappling. All the most skilled fighters Jon faced were probably more skilled than Tom but they were all much smaller, weaker a didn't hit as hard.

We missed out on even tougher HW matchups for Jon but this one at least is the most interesting one available. Moreso than Ngannou

 

[mkess101]

Jones has been facing the best his entire career. He has more names on his résumé than anybody. But Tom is not a big name in terms of legacy right now. He just isn’t. People are hyping it up mostly because they think he might be able to beat Jones. But if he doesn’t, who is he? He’s another guy that lost to Jones.

That's fine. Then Jones should vacate the belt and fight whoever he wants at either HW or 205. At this point, if he is gonna keep the belt his next fight has to be Tom.

Jones doesn't "need" to fight anyone. But he does if he plans to keep the HW belt.

 

[Human Bass]

Jones has been facing the best his entire career. He has more names on his résumé than anybody. But Tom is not a big name in terms of legacy right now. He just isn’t. People are hyping it up mostly because they think he might be able to beat Jones. But if he doesn’t, who is he? He’s another guy that lost to Jones.

He is the most domimant HW in a long time, never went past the 2nd round. This obsession with "how big is the name" is silly. Tom is incredible, destroying a big boy like Pav on his own game is insane.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

That's fine. Then Jones should vacate the belt and fight whoever he wants at either HW or 205. At this point, if he is gonna keep the belt his next fight has to be Tom.

Jones doesn't "need" to fight anyone. But he does if he plans to keep the HW belt.

Well, I think he fights Tom or he retires. Dana seems pretty adamant that’s the fight he wants and the only fight he’s going to give him. I think it’s 60/40 we get it. Fingers crossed.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

He is the most domimant HW in a long time, never went past the 2nd round. This obsession with "how big is the name" is silly. Tom is incredible, destroying a big boy like Pav on his own game is insane.

He’s on a nice run. I wouldn’t say he’s the most dominant HW We’ve seen in a long time. It hasn’t been that long since Stipe was at the top of this division. DC also.. Francis obviously.. His competition to me is also questionable. It’s not like he went out there and flatlined a peak version of DC in two minutes.