Jon Jones is gonna reality check alot of people who assume Aspinall will be a threat

[locust rising]

Is Jones really "ducking" Tom though? It seems to me like Jon is trying to squeeze as much money as he can from uncle Dana. And there are reports that it apparently worked. If so, then that truly was a 4D chess move from Jones. To act like he's not interested in fighting Tom, just so he can get (in his own words) fuck you money if/when he does finally agree to fight Tom. Like the man or not.

Yeah total 4d chess.
Thats what jones is known for, he's 1000% played dana, the media, and the audience like this a million times...

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Why is Jones ducking him then?

 

[icemun]

What are you babbling on about? I said I had no issue with Jones/Stipe.

I'm telling you not to look like a moron by using the completely manipulated rankings as justification for it. Or shit, keep it up and look stupid if that's your thing I guess.

Stupidity is not acknowledging the ONLY metric the promotion has to rank fighters

Stupidity is thinking your little subjective view of the illegitimacy of the ranking is of any significance whatsoever


You feel intelligent in your own little denial of an objective, reality.

And you're brazen enough to type words like, moron.

 

[Yutyrannus Huali]

Yeah total 4d chess.
Thats what jones is known for, he's 1000% played dana, the media, and the audience like this a million times...

That's why I said "if so", dingus. And I don't know what sort of point you're to trying to make. Are you saying because Jon has never done something like that before, that means he can't do it now?

 

[mkess101]

Hes a HW. I've been saying HWs have no chance against Jones for a decade.

He's won 2 HW fights. One vs a 42 year old coming off a 4 year layoff and who was KO'd brutally his previous fight. Pump the brakes on "No HW has a chance against 38 year old Jon Jones with a beer gut".

Nobody should be disputing how great he is, but you sound utterly delusional. Which again, I suppose isn't a shock.

 

[mkess101]

Stupidity is not acknowledging the ONLY metric the promotion has to rank fighters

Stupidity is thinking your little subjective view of the illegitimacy of the ranking is of any significance whatsoever


You feel intelligent in your own little denial of an objective, reality.

And you're brazen enough to type words like, moron.

You're claiming the rankings are objective???

Holy shit, you're not just stupid. You're really proud of it. Damn!

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Stupidity is not acknowledging the ONLY metric the promotion has to rank fighters

Stupidity is thinking your little subjective view of the illegitimacy of the ranking is of any significance whatsoever


You feel intelligent in your own little denial of an objective, reality.

And you're brazen enough to type words like, moron.

You're a complete moron if you think the number alone, and not the recent wins (momentum) of the people with those numbers doesn't matter.

The problem is not that the illegitimacy of Stipe's ranking was some random person's subjective view, it was used as a rule by the promotion itself to remove other people from the rankings, but just didn't apply to Stipe just cuz.

You shouldn't feel intelligent, ever.

 

[Superzorro]

You're a complete moron if you think the number alone, and not the recent wins (momentum) of the people with those numbers doesn't matter.

The problem is not that the illegitimacy of Stipe's ranking was some random person's subjective view, it was used as a rule by the promotion itself to remove other people from the rankings, but just didn't apply to Stipe just cuz.

You shouldn't feel intelligent, ever.

Title fights are always going to be at the mercy of the person(s) who determine the rankings, and they always have been in the past. The only reason it's a problem now is because it's negatively affecting your favorite fighter. Either rankings matter or we collectively throw them out as a whole. We can't pick and choose when rankings get to be legitimate. It can't be both.

One thing that is a fact though-- rankings being "bad" are no single fighters fault. All Jones did here was follow the rules and do what was asked of him (which was honoring contracts that existed before Aspinall was in the picture). If the Aspinall fight was at any point proposed, and Jones refused, he would have been stripped of the title.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Title fights are always going to be at the mercy of the person(s) who determine the rankings, and they always have been in the past. The only reason it's a problem now is because it's negatively affecting your favorite fighter. Either rankings matter or we collectively throw them out as a whole. We can't pick and choose when rankings get to be legitimate. It can't be both.

One thing that is a fact though-- rankings being "bad" are no single fighters fault. All Jones did here was follow the rules and do what was asked of him.

No idea what you're talking about cuz you don't know what you're talking about.

A) I can't give 2 shits about Tom. If you were gonna claim I was biased, then you'd be better off accusing me of being a Jon hater than a Tom fan.

B) Jon is the one who determined the contender, the UFC just played along with it. Jones isn't "following the rules," cuz he picked the rules for this, so this is really not a case of being at the mercy of who determined the rankings. The "rules" have always included momentum,, which you just straight up ignored. There's a reason the majority of title contenders weren't #1, and it's especially when #1 wasn't on a win. The #1 ranked person HAS ALMOST NEVER BEEN the #1 contender.

C) The rankings are superseded by the existence of an interim title, so you're just wrong again, cuz it's irrelevant.

D) You've ALSO just ignored the part where I said straight up that it wasn't our opinion and that we weren't picking and choosing. It was the UFC that picked and chose this time around, and that's why:

E) The most insane shit here is how much you guys continually keep arguing how things are specially different here for Jon, but fail to see that the double standard is benefiting him, not that fans pointing it out are the ones who have the double standard.

 

[Superzorro]

No idea what you're talking about cuz you don't know what you're talking about.

A) I can't give 2 shits about Tom. If you were gonna claim I was biased, then you'd be better off accusing me of being a Jon hater than a Tom fan.

B) Jon is the one who determined the contender, the UFC just played along with it. Jones isn't "following the rules," cuz he picked the rules for this, so this is really not a case of being at the mercy of who determined the rankings. The "rules" have always included momentum,, which you just straight up ignored. There's a reason the majority of title contenders weren't #1, and it's especially when #1 wasn't on a win. The #1 ranked person HAS ALMOST NEVER BEEN the #1 contender.

C) The rankings are superseded by the existence of an interim title, so you're just wrong again, cuz it's irrelevant.

D) You've ALSO just ignored the part where I said straight up that it wasn't our opinion and that we weren't picking and choosing. It was the UFC that picked and chose this time around, and that's why:

E) The most insane shit here is how much you guys continually keep arguing how things are specially different here for Jon, but fail to see that the double standard is benefiting him, not that fans pointing it out are the ones who have the double standard.

A) In this case, there's no difference between those two things. Unless you'd like to point one out for me, and how that's relevant.

B) No, Jon didn't determine anything. Does he write the rankings now? He's not a match maker. At best, he could make a suggestion that the match makers would consider. The "rules," you say? There never have been any concrete rules, other than the highest ranked person that's available is usually who gets chosen (unless you would like to provide the link to an official site stating this). Tom was not that person until recently. If Aspinall got the title shot after the Gane fight, they would have been giving it to the #7th ranked fighter in the division. That doesn't make any sense, when there are higher people available. Jones got injured. But that doesn't invalidate the contract that Stipe already signed. If they went against what was written in that contract without Stipe's consent, they would have been liable to a lawsuit.

C) Stipe fight was a signed deal before Tom Aspinall had the interim title. If you'd like, I can provide evidence of this.

D & E) I don't know who you're referring to by "you guys" and "our." I only represent myself, and none of this even makes sense so I'm just going to chalk it up to rambling and move on.

 

[Squarechoke]

Valid point, but if Jones is disqualified from the GOAT conversation because of PEDs then so is Anderson. (If that's indeed your position) The GOAT is either GSP or DJ in that case.

Yes, of course every fighter must be judged by the same standards.

 

[locust rising]

That's why I said "if so", dingus. And I don't know what sort of point you're to trying to make. Are you saying because Jon has never done something like that before, that means he can't do it now?

Imagine thinking someone using "ducking" as a marketing strategy its some 4d chess lol.
Omg bro.
His legacy is built on his record, but its very shakey due to also popping so many times and his real life drama. He knows he's on his physical decline and needs to remain undefeated for his legacy.
Tom might not be the most skilled fighter he's faced, but Tom is peaking physically, and due to his size and speed, and his skill at HW, jones knows his is a HUGE risk.
Its not 4d chess, its protecting his record.

 

[SuperAlly]

A prime Jon Jones that properly added weight I'd pick over Aspinall for sure. This Jon Jones is a LHW with a gut that's 38 years old.

Now, let me be clear. It's a testament to just how great a fighter he is that he can come in this way and dispatch guys like Gane and Stipe. (Yes, Stipe is even older and 4 yr layoff etc but hes still a HW fighter with some skills and Jon made it look easy). But Aspinall is just a different animal. Assuming we see the exact same Jones we saw vs Stipe, I can see the fight not looking competitive and Jon getting overwhelmed early with speed and power. But maybe Jon takes it more seriously and looks better because he knws he'll have to. We **maybe** haven't seen close to the best HW version of Jones. Or, it's just who he is now. Age etc has slowed him down. He's not capable of looking as sharp as he once did, especially if he's 240 lbs.

Very good and rational post

 

[Wilmer Digreux]

is nothing compared to Jon Jones which is completely different world of difference.

Lol I love this

 

[Small Town Andrew]

Agree Tom has a punchers chance. British guys can't wrestle. Aspinall will have the same problem as Gane

 

[mkess101]

Lol I love this

Straight outta the playbook of redundancy playbook.

 

[mkess101]

Agree Tom has a punchers chance. British guys can't wrestle. Aspinall will have the same problem as Gane

I guarantee you right now that no matter who wins, it won't look like the Gane fight.

 

[Small Town Andrew]

I guarantee you right now that no matter who wins, it won't look like the Gane fight.

It likely won't be just like the Gane fight but my point is Aspinall has the same problem Gane did. He's going to be at a huge disadvantage in the wrestling department.

 

[mkess101]

It likely won't be just like the Gane fight but my point is Aspinall has the same problem Gane did. He's going to be at a huge disadvantage in the wrestling department.

He may not be Jones level with his grappling but he's FAR better than Gane. I just watched Volkov get the better of Gane on the mat FFS. Tom took Volkov down and wrecked him inside a round.
Add in that Tom is naturally bigger, is younger, etc and there's for sure a question as to whether Jones can get to him to take him down.

 

[Superzorro]

A prime Jon Jones that properly added weight I'd pick over Aspinall for sure. This Jon Jones is a LHW with a gut that's 38 years old.

Now, let me be clear. It's a testament to just how great a fighter he is that he can come in this way and dispatch guys like Gane and Stipe. (Yes, Stipe is even older and 4 yr layoff etc but hes still a HW fighter with some skills and Jon made it look easy). But Aspinall is just a different animal. Assuming we see the exact same Jones we saw vs Stipe, I can see the fight not looking competitive and Jon getting overwhelmed early with speed and power. But maybe Jon takes it more seriously and looks better because he knws he'll have to. We **maybe** haven't seen close to the best HW version of Jones. Or, it's just who he is now. Age etc has slowed him down. He's not capable of looking as sharp as he once did, especially if he's 240 lbs.

This makes perfect sense. The problem is that a majority of Aspinall fans refuse to admit that 1) Jones is old, 2) Jones is not a natural HW and Aspinall is the larger fighter, and 3) Jones is clearly the more skilled fighter.

Once/if Aspinall is able to pull it off, I can guarantee you the narrative will be that Aspinall was always the better fighter that would have beaten any version of Jones and Jones was a decent fighter who lost the moment he faced someone with even attributes. It is what it is-- you can't control what people think, it's just going to be annoying to have to hear that nonsense repeated by masses.