Crime Jeffrey Epstein Dead

[Fawlty]

I generally follow Hanlon's razor (Never attribute to corruption what can just as easily be attributed to incompetence), but there were so many fuck ups in this that its impossible to believe that it was all a series of coincidental mistakes.

Really? Or could it actually be as simple as the guards catching a nap and falsifying paperwork for it, which left Epstein unattended for long enough to hang himself with his blanket? Because that happened, according to NYT.

 

[JonesBones]

https://nypost.com/1999/03/03/israe...-mossad-bugged-prez-sex-chats-book-exclusive/
ISRAEL BLACKMAILED BILL WITH MONICA TAPES; SPY HUNT ENDED AFTER MOSSAD BUGGED PREZ SEX CHATS: BOOK – EXCLUSIVE
By Neal Travis

March 3, 1999 | 5:00am


ISRAEL blackmailed President Clinton with phone-tapped tapes of his steamy sex talks with Monica Lewinsky, a blockbuster new book charges.

The price Clinton paid for the silence of the Mossad spy agency was calling off an FBI hunt for a top-level Israeli mole allegedly installed at the White House.

The allegation appears in “Gideon’s Spies – The Secret History of the Mossad,” written by respected author Gordon Thomas and due out next week.

Asked for comment, White House spokesman P.J. Crowley replied, “The only thing I can possibly say is we’ll skip the book and wait for the movie.”

Israel has denied conducting spying operations in the United States.

But hints about the Mossad connection to Sexgate surfaced in evidence given to independent counsel Kenneth Starr last year.

Spoiler

That is just some crank who wrote a book. His claims are unfounded.

When it is not indulging in "total nonsense" of this kind, Gideon's Spies offers an unexceptionable if banal and derivative account of well- known Mossad undertakings, including the placement of Eli Cohen in Damascus in the late 1950's and the 1976 rescue of hostages at Entebbe. But even here, Thomas inexplicably omits some of the organization's truly great feats - notably, its success in securing a copy of Nikita Khrushchev's secret party speech in 1956 repudiating Stalin.

In brief, what is reliable in this book is old-hat, while what is new is utterly unreliable, a mishmash of blather and fantasy. Yet Gideon's Spies is also a dangerous book, and one that is likely to have a continuing impact.

http://www.danielpipes.org/805/gideons-spies-the-secret-history-of-the-mossad

 

[all caps]

That is just some crank who wrote a book. His claims are unfounded.

When it is not indulging in "total nonsense" of this kind, Gideon's Spies offers an unexceptionable if banal and derivative account of well- known Mossad undertakings, including the placement of Eli Cohen in Damascus in the late 1950's and the 1976 rescue of hostages at Entebbe. But even here, Thomas inexplicably omits some of the organization's truly great feats - notably, its success in securing a copy of Nikita Khrushchev's secret party speech in 1956 repudiating Stalin.

In brief, what is reliable in this book is old-hat, while what is new is utterly unreliable, a mishmash of blather and fantasy. Yet Gideon's Spies is also a dangerous book, and one that is likely to have a continuing impact.

http://www.danielpipes.org/805/gideons-spies-the-secret-history-of-the-mossad

You're just some crank posting on sherdog, fuck off your opinions means fuckall

 

[TheGreatA]

That is just some crank who wrote a book. His claims are unfounded.

When it is not indulging in "total nonsense" of this kind, Gideon's Spies offers an unexceptionable if banal and derivative account of well- known Mossad undertakings, including the placement of Eli Cohen in Damascus in the late 1950's and the 1976 rescue of hostages at Entebbe. But even here, Thomas inexplicably omits some of the organization's truly great feats - notably, its success in securing a copy of Nikita Khrushchev's secret party speech in 1956 repudiating Stalin.

In brief, what is reliable in this book is old-hat, while what is new is utterly unreliable, a mishmash of blather and fantasy. Yet Gideon's Spies is also a dangerous book, and one that is likely to have a continuing impact.

http://www.danielpipes.org/805/gideons-spies-the-secret-history-of-the-mossad

Let's face it thought. These organizations are called "secret services" for a reason.

The plebs don't get to know what they did, and where they operated, except perhaps decades afterwards. Guesswork, speculation, is about the best we've got.

That's not CT thinking, that's just a matter of fact. If the average guy on the street knew what the "secret service" was doing, obviously they'd be doing a pretty terrible job.

 

[JonesBones]

You're just some crank posting on sherdog, fuck off your opinions means fuckall

Yes, the Mossad blackmailed Bill Clinton. That is crank shit and there is zero evidence for it.

 

[JonesBones]

Let's face it thought. These organizations are called "secret services" for a reason.

The plebs don't get to know what they did, and where they operated, except perhaps decades afterwards. Guesswork, speculation, is about the best we've got.

That's not CT thinking, that's just a matter of fact. If the average guy on the street knew what the "secret service" was doing, obviously they'd be doing a pretty terrible job.

This is an appeal to ignorance. Because we don't know something, we just make shit up.

 

[all caps]

Yes, the Mossad blackmailed Bill Clinton. That is crank shit and there is zero evidence for it.

You seem upset

 

[JonesBones]

You seem upset

Oh yeah, I am. Says the guy who told to me fuck off and posted some garbage NY Post article from decades ago.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Leftists: believe Trump Russia Collusion Conspiracy Theory for 2 years with no evidence.

Also Leftist: There is no way Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.

lol

I don't understand the supposed hypocrisy or double standard or whatever you're trying to point out. The left and right is united on Epstein, what's wrong with that? Honestly, with all due respect, it sounds like you were being a partisan hack and trying to burn the other side with that post and it just fell flat.

 

[all caps]

Oh yeah, I am. Says the guy who told to me fuck off and posted some garbage NY Post article from decades ago.

Lmao at this nutjob and his meltdown

 

[JonesBones]

Lmao at this nutjob and his meltdown

Yeah, I'm a puddle right now.

There is no evidence for what that crank article claimed. You are trying to distract from that. You believe in stupid things and go well beyond facts.

 

[JonesBones]

I don't understand the supposed hypocrisy or double standard or whatever you're trying to point out. The left and right is united on Epstein, what's wrong with that? Honestly, with all due respect, it sounds like you were being a partisan hack and trying to burn the other side with that post and it just fell flat.

It is totally partisan. I doubt you will see left wing posters in here saying Bill Clinton had him killed. This whole incident is just a vessel to push partisanship. Epstein is just a means to an end.

 

[The Merchant]

That is just some crank who wrote a book. His claims are unfounded.

When it is not indulging in "total nonsense" of this kind, Gideon's Spies offers an unexceptionable if banal and derivative account of well- known Mossad undertakings, including the placement of Eli Cohen in Damascus in the late 1950's and the 1976 rescue of hostages at Entebbe. But even here, Thomas inexplicably omits some of the organization's truly great feats - notably, its success in securing a copy of Nikita Khrushchev's secret party speech in 1956 repudiating Stalin.

In brief, what is reliable in this book is old-hat, while what is new is utterly unreliable, a mishmash of blather and fantasy. Yet Gideon's Spies is also a dangerous book, and one that is likely to have a continuing impact.

http://www.danielpipes.org/805/gideons-spies-the-secret-history-of-the-mossad

He's not a crank he was a famous British investigative journalist with 60 years experience. He is the guy who personally tracked down Bishop Eamon Casey in Mexico and revealed the nationalisation of the Suez Canal which percipated the Suez war.

You know nothing about him, haven't heard of him and yet call him a crank.

 

[MikeMcMann]

I generally follow Hanlon's razor (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity), but there were so many fuck ups in this that its impossible to believe that it was all a series of coincidental mistakes.

If I had to bet my own money I would bet on a combination of Blind Ignorance along with guards just not giving a f*ck, which is purposeful ignorance.

Not saying they wanted him to harm himself, but rather they realized that the proper protocols were not being followed, he was at some risk, but no one was going to put themselves out or go out of their way to ensure the pedophile was safe and secure. we'll get there, when we get there.

 

[JonesBones]

He's not a crank he was a famous British investigative journalist with 60 years experience. He is the guy who personally tracked down Bishop Eamon Casey in Mexico and revealed the nationalisation of the Suez Canal which percipated the Suez war.

You know nothing about him, haven't heard of him and yet call him a crank.

His claims are unfounded. He is a crank and so are you.

 

[Quipling]

I'd like to see the numbers on this. It's being claimed but I'd like to see numbers, direct impacts, comparisons to "when something like this couldn't happen".

I could see Trump cutting school lunches but prison funding? Doesnt seem right.

https://www.justice.gov/jmd/page/file/1033161/download

Overall funding stayed the same - it was higher in 2017 and lower in 2018. There were substantial cuts in spending on facilities and staffing. Its not clear where that spending went. @Crocop42 , any idea?

Federal prisons were at 24% over capacity in 2017. Staffing has been cut by about 20% since then, facilities spending has plummeted, and multiple prisons have been closed in that time, exacerbating the crowding + overwork problem. The number of federal inmates has changed by a small percentage in that same time.

 

[hillelslovak87]

So America has already had a LGBT president?

Does this count the sweaty lesbian currently in the Oval Office?

 

[The Merchant]

His claims are unfounded. He is a crank and so are you.

No problem lol. Anyway time to use the board facilities to remove you from my existence.

 

[Ornife]

Does this count the sweaty lesbian currently in the Oval Office?

I am both surprised and impressed that Mr. Trump's wig adhesive was able to withstand perspiration of that magnitude.

 

[Higus]

Really? Or could it actually be as simple as the guards catching a nap and falsifying paperwork for it, which left Epstein unattended for long enough to hang himself with his blanket? Because that happened, according to NYT.

Think of it like this: If anyone in the entire country was going to commit suicide over the next couple of weeks, it was going to be him. He was in a situation where officials could completely control every moment of his day, and there was an enormous public will to make sure that he lived to see trial, and the prison still managed to fuck it up. Its at a point where its easier to believe the guards were coerced (either through bribes or threat) to lie about their incompetence than to believe that they were actually that incompetent.