Crime Jeffrey Epstein Dead

[Crocop42]

The prison should have had him under 24 hr watch. Anything that could conceivably used to commit suicide should have been removed from the cell.

That's easier said than done. We simply do not have the staffing for one on ones. Especially in the federal system. I know, he was high profile but he shouldn't have been in MCC is the first place. There has to have been a better place, or at least outside agencies assisting in his custody.

 

[Rational Poster]

This is cool insight and I'm glad you were able to share it. It goes against what I would naturally think, but I dont have the same experience as you, so thank you.

See how hard that was for me to do without insulting your intelligence and praying for your eternal damnation?

Didn't you ever see the show 1000 ways to die?

Be more creative.

 

[VivaRevolution]

You can actually go to prison for it.

This shit is no joke. People shit on the profession, but it's very serious business. I take pride in what i do.

Most take it very seriously from what I have seen. Not a job to take lightly. Real danger there.

 

[MicroBrew]

That's easier said than done. We simply do not have the staffing for one on ones. Especially in the federal system. I know, he was high profile but he shouldn't have been in MCC is the first place. There has to have been a better place, or at least outside agencies assisting in his custody.

He had already allegedly attempted suicide once before. He was a very very important prisoner. He had a lot of dirt on a lot of powerful people. It is unconscionable that the justice system effed this up the way they did. Unless people in control wanted him to die.

 

[Crocop42]

In all fairness though, this isn't your run of the mill prison. This is where the most high profile prisoners in the country go, and it is bad PR to have high profile suspects offing themselves left and right.

No one cares when Joe blow kills himself in prison.

I think this is shown by the fact that no one had killed themselves at this prison for 40 years now. I doubt Epstien was the first that might have wanted to.

MCC is a little overrated is that aspect. If they really wanted him alive he should've been assigned to a supermax. Supermax's, suicide 8s impossible.

MCC gets some of it's reputation on people confusing it with the hell that is rikers island.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

Some more insight here:

Serene Gregg, president of American Federation of Government Employees Local 3148, said the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan is functioning with less than 70% of the needed correctional officers, forcing many to work MANDATORY OVERTIME and 60- or 70-HOUR WORKWEEKS

 

[Crocop42]

He had already allegedly attempted suicide once before. He was a very very important prisoner. He had a lot of dirt on a lot of powerful people. It is unconscionable that the justice system effed this up the way they did. Unless people in control wanted him to die.

Suicide watches are assigned by prison medical staff, and cleared by prison medical staff. They're the ones who should be the highlight of this.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

MCC is a little overrated is that aspect. If they really wanted him alive he should've been assigned to a supermax. Supermax's, suicide 8s impossible.

MCC gets some of it's reputation on people confusing it with the hell that is rikers island.

Well isnt supermax only for convicted inmates? Epstein was still awaiting trial.

 

[VivaRevolution]

MCC is a little overrated is that aspect. If they really wanted him alive he should've been assigned to a supermax. Supermax's, suicide 8s impossible.

MCC gets some of it's reputation on people confusing it with the hell that is rikers island.

This is why the removal from suicide watch is so strange to me.

Under suicide watch he literally couldn't have killed himself.

I would love to hear the warden and top psyche officials reasoning behind doing this.

We all know these types of people. They are risk adverse as hell. I really struggle understanding what benefit could be worth the risk of removing your most high profile inmate from suicide watch.

 

[Crocop42]

Some more insight here:

Serene Gregg, president of American Federation of Government Employees Local 3148, said the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan is functioning with less than 70% of the needed correctional officers, forcing many to work MANDATORY OVERTIME and 60- or 70-HOUR WORKWEEKS

Blaming trump is bullshit. Im not even saying that because i happen to be Republican. Prison staffing issues and been a problem for decades. To make it political now is an insult to anyone who works behind the gates.
My complex had 53 new hires in april. We have 6 of them left.

 

[Neph]

This is why the removal from suicide watch is so strange to me.

Under suicide watch he literally couldn't have killed himself.

I would love to hear the warden and top psyche officials reasoning behind doing this.

We all know these types of people. They are risk adverse as hell. I really struggle understanding what benefit could be worth the risk of removing your most high profile inmate from suicide watch.

How many resources does it take to have the level of security you imagine - ie, 24/7 watch. It's immense. How long does it go for? Days? Weeks? Months?

 

[all caps]

Didn't you ever see the show 1000 ways to die?

 

[Crocop42]

Well isnt supermax only for convicted inmates? Epstein was still awaiting trial.

In the prison system, there's always ways around everything. His own safety, death threats etc. They can make exceptions for anything.

 

[VivaRevolution]

How many resources does it take to have the level of security you imagine - ie, 24/7 watch. It's immense. How long does it go for? Days? Weeks? Months?

This assumes that out of however inmates the MCC housed that Epstien was the only one on suicide watch, and that you could close this area down if he was removed.

If not, then it literally costs nothing more to house Epstien there. You have to staff that area anyways.

 

[all caps]

Blaming trump is bullshit. Im not even saying that because i happen to be Republican. Prison staffing issues and been a problem for decades. To make it political now is an insult to anyone who works behind the gates.
My complex had 53 new hires in april. We have 6 of them left.

I really, truly did not see the trump angle coming. I guess it all makes sense now.

 

[SleepyBoy]

You can actually go to prison for it.

This shit is no joke. People shit on the profession, but it's very serious business. I take pride in what i do.

I appreciate you adding context to the conversation.

When safety is involved, there are standard operating procedures required so no steps are skipped.

It's important to treat everyone the same, important to make sure you go down the check list and document it, because you will be held accountable if someone gets hurt.

 

[Crocop42]

How many resources does it take to have the level of security you imagine - ie, 24/7 watch. It's immense. How long does it go for? Days? Weeks? Months?

Its torture. When we have high profile inmates. The whole facility goes on hold for the. Each visit to medical, visits, attorney visits etc. Now, imagine explaining to some monster of a motherfucker, they cant do something because we're moving a body. It creates havoc and unrest for an entire facility.
Now, factor in costs, overtime, staffing etc.

 

[BEER]

That isn't important to people.

What's important is that Epstein took secrets to the grave, and this greatly distresses people who feel we are owed the truth. The differences arise from the varying reactions to this denial of Epstein's secrets. One faction is completely out to lunch and presumes murder. One faction is halfway out to lunch and thinks murder and suicide are equally likely. The sane faction is taking on information as it comes and if they are speculating, are updating their speculation reasonably.

And it's also like a movie or some shit, I guess.

Come on, man. You can be perfectly reasonable about taking in the information we're given while still being skeptical.

I'm not "halfway out to lunch". Conspiracies and assassinations aren't exactly uncommon in American nor world history. I take the information I'm given with a tiny grain of salt because I'm among those who are distrustful of the media and the government at large.

It doesn't mean I'm not reasonable. I'm paying attention. Just skeptical.

 

[SBJJ]

Blaming trump is bullshit. Im not even saying that because i happen to be Republican. Prison staffing issues and been a problem for decades. To make it political now is an insult to anyone who works behind the gates.
My complex had 53 new hires in april. We have 6 of them left.

Yea. That's what I was thinking

I think the union head is playing politics and it seems to be the narrative the media is trying to push

 

[SleepyBoy]

For me the total disregard of all standard operating procedures across multiple people, divisions, and departments/companies is such a major red flag.

Most conspiracies usually have quite a bit of this