Crime Jeffrey Epstein Dead

[Neph]

Assisted suicide is my top choice.

I generally find it unlikely that someone can be observed 24/7 for days or even weeks without any moments of reprieve during which they could kill themselves. I doubt people were tasked to do this on such an indefinite basis, and if they were, I doubt people are actually capable of doing it either. It's an insane amount of concentration, perfect rotations of rosters, etc. for days/weeks and people just don't function this way.

Could it have been murder? Yep, a lot of people would want him dead. But I tend to err to the side of 'incompetence' before 'malevolence' until evidence shows otherwise.

 

[Crocop42]

what's the word among your CO buddies concerning this case? More or less CT inclined than the general population?

The more that comes out, it really seems like he just hung himself. The fishy pary though, is i keep hearing the people who were assigned to that post weren't C.Os. I've never heard of such a fucking thing in my career.

 

[MicroBrew]

This is an example of people losing perspective, I think. A suicidal person committed suicide. His choice, his will. There is only so much others can do to prevent that, and the suicidal person also has rights. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be fired or that negligence shouldn't be punished, bet let's keep our heads on, eh?

The prison should have had him under 24 hr watch. Anything that could conceivably used to commit suicide should have been removed from the cell.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

And FWIW @Fawlty , and take it as you may, I feel similarly.

On this topic, if asked to bet, I bet our bets would be the same. I don't disagree with much you see but I am constantly surprised at how aggressively you seem to engage anyone who even seems to suggest things seem strange or need to be questions.

It is like you automatically want everyone to simply jump to 'nothing to see here but your typical suicide' and any other suggestion is a personal offense to you. You're not BonesJones crazy aggressive with outlandish assertions, so don't think I am suggesting that. But you are overly aggressive, imo.

Being absolute in one's anti-conspiracy rhetoric has replaced atheism as the new edgy pseudointellectualism.

 

[VivaRevolution]

That isn't important to people.

What's important is that Epstein took secrets to the grave, and this greatly distresses people who feel we are owed the truth. The differences arise from the varying reactions to this denial of Epstein's secrets. One faction is completely out to lunch and presumes murder. One faction is halfway out to lunch and thinks murder and suicide are equally likely. The sane faction is taking on information as it comes and if they are speculating, are updating their speculation reasonably.

And it's also like a movie or some shit, I guess.

I want every person Epstien or his top handlers, were associated with, put under a microscope.

There is reason to believe these people are guilty of at best statetory rape, and at worst child molestation.

Or at the very least aiding and abetting this crime.

 

[Crocop42]

I generally find it unlikely that someone can be observed 24/7 for days or even weeks without any moments of reprieve during which they could kill themselves. I doubt people were tasked to do this on such an indefinite basis, and if they were, I doubt people are actually capable of doing it either. It's an insane amount of concentration, perfect rotations of rosters, etc. for days/weeks and people just don't function this way.

Could it have been murder? Yep, a lot of people would want him dead. But I tend to err to the side of 'incompetence' before 'malevolence' until evidence shows otherwise.

He didn't have 24/7 watch. He was taken off suicide watch. He was basically listed as your typical GP inmate at the time of his death.

 

[HereticBD]

Lol at calling anyone you disagree with idiots, and then telling people to stay on topic.

This is what I'm talking about. He's just not clever enough to pull off his new schtick. It's funny watching him fail though.

Oh' wait, I'm off-topic. Epstein is a phile and I hope he rots in hell. There we go.

 

[deviake]

Anything that could conceivably used to commit suicide should have been removed from the cell.

Wasn't it? I gotta catch up.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Its called. a tour pipe. In housing areas or on tiers depending on complex layout. There will be a "buttons" on the walls. As we pass them you check inside the cells through the windows to determine live, breathing bodies. Then, when you get to a button you connect the tour pipe to it and it registers to a downloadable format that can determine time and sequence you hit them.
If you fail to make your tours or pass the allotted time it will reflect in your handwritten logbook that you falsified an official document. Usually results in disciplinary actions unless their was issue such as defaulting equipment and that would have had to be written up and reported, along with notifying a superior. If someone dies, or gets hurt and it is ruled that you lied in your logbook, you can be suspended, fired or even brought up on charges and arrested.

Sorry for the long post, but i tried to be thorough .

This is great. I want people to understand that these people knew they were risking their job by not doing this check.

This isn't just a no big deal, kind of thing here. It's not like the burger flipped forgot to put cheese on the cheeseburger.

These people can lose their jobs for not doing those checks even once.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

That isn't important to people.

What's important is that Epstein took secrets to the grave, and this greatly distresses people who feel we are owed the truth. The differences arise from the varying reactions to this denial of Epstein's secrets. One faction is completely out to lunch and presumes murder. One faction is halfway out to lunch and thinks murder and suicide are equally likely. The sane faction is taking on information as it comes and if they are speculating, are updating their speculation reasonably.

And it's also like a movie or some shit, I guess.

My post was in reference to posters bringing their forum squabbling into this thread, not the disagreements over whether or not a larger conspiracy was at play.

 

[nostradumbass]

You're not a "smart person", @Fawlty. You're a juvenile shit poster, with a loooong history of such, and are actively trying to change your persona in a futile effort to become a mod(I guess everyone needs a goal). Problem is, you choose the wrong hills to die on, and don't have the capacity to feign high intelligence. Your new persona is almost as cringey as Wei's. Stop it. Be yourself.

I mean, if you want to act more civil than you've been in the past, fine. Just don't get on some high horse like you're better than anyone. Nobody is buying it, and everyone is aware of your history.

Very strange that so many of the same people who think it's a wild conspiracy theory that a guy a huge majority of people said would be killed before trial, happens to commit "suicide" under the most suspicious circumstances possible, were absolutely positive Donald Trump was a Russian spy.

 

[Crocop42]

I think people, and mainly the media's coverage of this story don't understand this world. Jail/Prison can fucking break your soul.
Going from a lavish lifestyle to asking someone for permission to do everything. Eating shit food etc. I've seen some people try to kill thenselves the first night. I remember walking up to some guys cell after he slit his wrists with a razor.

 

[Fawlty]

And FWIW @Fawlty , and take it as you may, I feel similarly.

On this topic, if asked to bet, I bet our bets would be the same. I don't disagree with much you see but I am constantly surprised at how aggressively you seem to engage anyone who even seems to suggest things seem strange or need to be questions.

It is like you automatically want everyone to simply jump to 'nothing to see here but your typical suicide' and any other suggestion is a personal offense to you. You're not BonesJones crazy aggressive with outlandish assertions, so don't think I am suggesting that. But you are overly aggressive, imo.

My "aggression" is certainly not beyond the aggression of people saying nasty shit about rational people, painting people who are obviously making the safer speculation as corporate stooges, naive, etc. I think the difference is that I'm much more effective at communicating "aggression" toward stupid notions such as murder being as likely as suicide (not to mention the impossibly stupid notion that murder is more likely than suicide).

And I've engaged the evidence as it has come in, and all of my reasoning has been sound and helpful to people who are willing to stop fantasizing about this and engage with reality.

Basically, I'm a lot better at this than the people opposed to me, and that really ticks people off and causes them to pretend that I'm the one out of line. To that, all I can say is "tough shit." Epstein committed suicide and it's not naive or stoogy or whatever to point out that it's very likely that what apparently happened did in fact happen.

 

[VivaRevolution]

He didn't have 24/7 watch. He was taken off suicide watch. He was basically listed as your typical GP inmate at the time of his death.

What are your thoughts on how common it is to remove someone from suicide watch, that had just tried to kill themselves a few weeks prior?

Is that normal?

Also do you think it strange that this suicide happened within 24 hours after being removed from suicide watch, while also having his cell mate transfered?

 

[PHATV]

Judge overseeing key Jeffrey Epstein case dies...

JAMES B. STEWART: The Day Epstein Told Me He Had Dirt on Powerful People...

FEARS OVER LITTLE BLACK BOOK...

'Hanged himself with prison bedsheet'...

Shrieking heard from cell...

Death Posted On 4Chan Before Announced...

FBI Scrambles As Rogue Drone Captures Epstein Raid...

Entire Island Wired For Blackmail?

 

[Crocop42]

This is great. I want people to understand that these people knew they were risking their job by not doing this check.

This isn't just a no big deal, kind of thing here. It's not like the burger flipped forgot to put cheese on the cheeseburger.

These people can lose their jobs for not doing those checks even once.

You can actually go to prison for it.

This shit is no joke. People shit on the profession, but it's very serious business. I take pride in what i do.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

The more that comes out, it really seems like he just hung himself. The fishy pary though, is i keep hearing the people who were assigned to that post weren't C.Os. I've never heard of such a fucking thing in my career.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/nyregion/epstein-barr.html
The jail was short staffed, and this is becoming a growing cause of concern nationwide. Gonna be poetic justice of sorts when it turns out bureaucratic stinginess was the cause of Epstein's death and not some international globalist murder plot.

 

[VivaRevolution]

I think people, and mainly the media's coverage of this story don't understand this world. Jail/Prison can fucking break your soul.
Going from a lavish lifestyle to asking someone for permission to do everything. Eating shit food etc. I've seen some people try to kill thenselves the first night. I remember walking up to some guys cell after he slit his wrists with a razor.

In all fairness though, this isn't your run of the mill prison. This is where the most high profile prisoners in the country go, and it is bad PR to have high profile suspects offing themselves left and right.

No one cares when Joe blow kills himself in prison.

I think this is shown by the fact that no one had killed themselves at this prison for 40 years now. I doubt Epstien was the first that might have wanted to.

 

[MicroBrew]

Wasn't it? I gotta catch up.

Reports say he was found with a sheet tied around his neck.
https://www.rollingstone.com/cultur...stein-death-suicide-questions-answers-871288/

 

[Fawlty]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/nyregion/epstein-barr.html
The jail was short staffed, and this is becoming a growing cause of concern nationwide. Gonna be poetic justice of sorts when it turns out bureaucratic stinginess was the cause of Epstein's death and not some international globalist murder plot.

I like that angle about death by bureaucracy, though the cause of Epstein's death was Epstein's act of killing himself. The huge majority of blame can never leave his shoulders.