JDM messed up picking Craig Jones. All he needs is a top wrestling coach

[don't ask]

Kinda weird how JDM basically had zero takedown defense in that fight. If you ever watch Islam takedown fighters, he usually prefers to clinch up in order to take them down. Was kinda expecting JDM to put up some sort of a resistance against takedowns while being very mobile with his offense.

Probably thought they could train JDM to get up off the ground like Volk was doing

DDP started a new meta. Maybe one day it'll work.

 

[volcom5]

Matt Brown just said what ive been saying for a very very very long time, watching coaches pump up their fighters is good and all, but it really doesn’t do much, coaches need to tell their fighters what openings there is, what mistakes his opppnenets are doing, what their fighter was having success with, etc. The worst ones are the ones who despite their fighters clearly losing the bout if it goes decision, they tell he has 5 mins left keep doing what you’re doing, just be honest snd tell him he’s ass beat and then tell him you need a stoppage, and tell him openings and mistake. Listening to some coaches corners are hilarious at times, and these are some of the coaches who are taking a chunk out of the fighters pay just becsuse they’re in the UFC.

 

[Conan the K-9]

Craig Jones is, undeniably, a great submission grapper, but I've got a BJJ-in-MMA related question:

Anyone reading this. Can you, off the top of your head, remember the last time that someone's genuine submission ability alone allowed a fighter to submit the wrestler freely using their wrestling? Not including cases where a guy went for a shot because he was discombobulated after being rocked on the feet or horribly losing the standup and shot out of desperation. When is the last time you remember a fighter noted for their wrestling, try to rely on their wrestling as a their primary weapon, only to get submitted by the superior submission threat?

Oliveira submitted Kevin Lee.
Oliveira submitted Gamrot.
For sure there are more examples like this.

 

[MDoza]

I was pretty amused when JDM tried to fish for a few reversals and subs of his own.. like dude.. you are not going to pull any of that off on Makhachev.

Stop the takedown, or learn to get back up. You aren’t going to win the ground fight.

 

[fendertach]

Craigs a roided, drugged out loser. Here he is in Ethiopa snorting cocaine in front of small children:

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Oliveira submitted Kevin Lee.
Oliveira submitted Gamrot.
For sure there are more examples like this.

Lee-Oliviera is a good pick. I was gonna mention Sonnen's proclivity for jumping headfirst into takedowns despite not having a good grip on what submission level he was at, and Lee is enough of a headcase to do the same

For Gamrot though, didn't Charles take him down?

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

you can get a little better, but you're not going to match their wrestling level in 4-6 weeks fight camp.

it's impossible.

the fighters would be better off taking a year off and training in the dagestan mountains.

 

[fortheo]

It’d have made absolutely no difference. One camp wouldn’t close the vast gulf between his grappling and Islam’s.

He's had camps for Sean Brady, Gilbert burns, belal Muhammad, and Islam back to back to back to back.

He should have had a better wrestling coach since the Brady camp.

Don't get me wrong, i think having Craig Jones is great. But he needs better wrestling looks too. There's a reason why volk uses Craig Jones AND the Hickman bros.

 

[RichardHarrow]

Defensively he did very well. He’s not neutralizing Islam with 2-3 years of wrestling.

 

[Conan the K-9]

For Gamrot though, didn't Charles take him down?

Yes he did, you are right.

Sorry, my bad I didn’t understand your question, that you meant a submission that was presented because of a wrestling/takedown initiative. I was just straight ahead thinking about scenarios where a wrestler was submitted by a BJJ guy and was not rocked before.

 

[fortheo]

Craig Jones is, undeniably, a great submission grapper, but I've got a BJJ-in-MMA related question:

Anyone reading this. Can you, off the top of your head, remember the last time that someone's genuine submission ability alone allowed a fighter to submit the wrestler freely using their wrestling? Not including cases where a guy went for a shot because he was discombobulated after being rocked on the feet or horribly losing the standup and shot out of desperation. When is the last time you remember a fighter noted for their wrestling, try to rely on their wrestling as a their primary weapon, only to get submitted by the superior submission threat?

Paul craig vs. Ankalaev and that other dagestani guy
Gunnar Nelson vs that dagestani guy
That German guy against Khabib's cousin
Maia vs. Askren
hooper vs. Leavitt
Dolidze vs. Hermansson
Dulgarian a couple weeks ago, unless he threw the fight lol.
Figgy vs. Elliot

 

[DumpsterBaby]

Yeah, for about 3 years straight. Guys that learned wrestling in their 20s can’t compete against guys that have been bred for this their whole lives… and the rules favor that specific discipline.

Let people kick the face in guard and watch how the fights magically become more evenly matched.

 

[markantony20]

We all saw how the fight went down.

Islam took him down EASY. There was no chain wrestling utilized by him.

It just goes to show: that JDM was totally off with his fight preparation. Instead of focusing on stopping the wrestling, instead hired a submission expert in Craig Jones to help him not get subbed the fight.
Bravo. He didnt get subbed but that doesnt win him the fight.

JDM over prepared in submission defence instead of wrestling defence.

He could have forced a see-saw battle against Islam with a strong sprawl in his arsenal and keeping the fight on the feet..but Naww took his time to learn fking Craig Jones weird submissions instead.

No, an Aussie is never going to be able to stop Islam from taking them down,that was never going to happen.

Even fighters from countries that have more wrestling prowess than us like the USA get taken down and fucked up routinely.

Craig was the reason JDM didn’t get submitted.

What a Aussie or anyone from a less grappling heavy country need to do is to be able to identify what subs Islam is trying to throw at you and be defensive on the ground to eventually work your way back up in a scramble.

And that’s where Craig came in perfectly.

There’s going to be a lot of shitting on Craig now but the fact is that Jack was either overmatched or didn’t have the mentality to get into gear.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

You need to focus on get ups and disengaging. No way you're stopping a guy like Islam taking you down if you're not already a good wrestler. The key is to make sure you never get flat and you need to be getting up while attacking the grips.

Eduard Vartanyan is the best anti-Dagi style fighter that I've seen and he concentrates on that and he usually gets them to gas and finishes them late.