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Crimea riverVoting on whether to unite with a country while militarily occupied by said country isn't democracy.
It's about as valid as the "referendum" in West Papua to join Indonesia.
Crimea riverVoting on whether to unite with a country while militarily occupied by said country isn't democracy.
It's about as valid as the "referendum" in West Papua to join Indonesia.
So what you're saying is that you'd back Russian interests over those of the US and justify it with whataboutism?
To say that corruption in the US is comparable with Russia is laughable. Authoritarian corruption in Russia is the system.
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I'd say 'you're better than this,' but you're really not.
Well I have to infer what he means, when he doesn't address the point and just resorts to whataboutism and false equivocation.
It certainly appears that he's supporting Russian interests over America's given that's the conflict which is the context (Bernie's criticism) and the response is to defend Russia and criticise the US.
So what you're saying is that you'd back Russian interests over those of the US and justify it with whataboutism?
To say that corruption in the US is comparable with Russia is laughable. Authoritarian corruption in Russia is the system.
It's Elliot Abrams. CFR pieces are usually intelligent and informed, but you have to take into account whose analysis you are reading.
This is the Neocon, hardline Right-Wing American Zionist perspective.
It's certainly true that Assad (and his father's) brutality and treatment of the Muslim Brotherhood has helped create the situation.
That's not enough to support his assertion that getting the Rebels to remove Assad is a solution to anything.
...and after all there are a lot of factors involved in the creation of IS, including the US invasion of Iraq and the Iraqi administration's treatment of the Sunni population.
Reagan era cold war nostalgia is not great Middle Eastern policy.
I have to admit, I'm confused by your stance here. You are generally very critical of US foreign policy.
Yeah when you have unidentified military personnel all of a sudden entering your home town, the choice is made for you.The people of crimea voted to return to russia. Since when is it anti-american to support a democratic referendum.
Here's a gem from 2015:
How things have changed.
What change?
Here's a gem from 2015:
How things have changed.
In 2015 you felt cold war nostalgia was bad foreign policy and now here you are propping it up.
Things change depending on the party in power with many posters
It’s TDS In full form.Here's a gem from 2015:
How things have changed.
Seems that way
No, but Hillary belongs in prison.
Um, there is indisputable evidence that the Russians are absolutely supporting her campaign (even Gabbard won’t dispute it) and her line about our presence in Syria is a regime change war (not only a lie but taken from Russian propaganda)
Professor Jeffrey Sachs, Columbia University:
I think we have to step back and not put this in partisan terms. This is a US mistake that started seven years ago. I remember the day when President Obama said, "Assad must go", and I looked at you and Joe and I said, "Huh. How is he going to do that? Where's the policy for that?"
We know they sent the CIA in to overthrow Assad. The CIA and Saudi Arabia together in covert operations tried to overthrow Assad. It was a disaster. Eventually it brought in both ISIS as a splinter group to the jihadists that went in. It also brought in Russia. So we have been digging in deeper and deeper and deeper.
What we should do now is get out and not continue to throw missiles, not have a confrontation with Russia. Seven years has been a disaster under Obama, continuing under Trump. This is what I would call the "permanent state"---the CIA, the Pentagon---wanting to keep Iran and Russia out of Syria. There's no way to do that, so we have made a proxy war in Syria. It has killed 500,000 people and displaced 10 million, and predictably so because I predicted it seven years ago that there was no way to do this and that it would make complete chaos.
So what I would plead to President Trump is: get out. Like his instinct told him, by the way. That was his instinct. But then all the establishment---New York Times, The Washington Post, the Pentagon---everyone told him, "no, that's irresponsible." But his instinct was right.