Elections Is Tulsi Gabbard a Russian asset?

[JSN]

Voting on whether to unite with a country while militarily occupied by said country isn't democracy.
It's about as valid as the "referendum" in West Papua to join Indonesia.

Crimea river

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

So what you're saying is that you'd back Russian interests over those of the US and justify it with whataboutism?
To say that corruption in the US is comparable with Russia is laughable. Authoritarian corruption in Russia is the system.

I'd say 'you're better than this,' but you're really not.

 

[Ruprecht]

I'd say 'you're better than this,' but you're really not.

Well I have to infer what he means, when he doesn't address the point and just resorts to whataboutism and false equivocation.
It certainly appears that he's supporting Russian interests (authoritarian corruption) over America's (and broader liberal democracy) given that's the conflict which is the context (Bernie's criticism) and the response is to defend Russia and criticise the US.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Well I have to infer what he means, when he doesn't address the point and just resorts to whataboutism and false equivocation.
It certainly appears that he's supporting Russian interests over America's given that's the conflict which is the context (Bernie's criticism) and the response is to defend Russia and criticise the US.

I have to admit, I'm confused by your stance here. You are generally very critical of US foreign policy.

 

[Happy Man]

So what you're saying is that you'd back Russian interests over those of the US and justify it with whataboutism?
To say that corruption in the US is comparable with Russia is laughable. Authoritarian corruption in Russia is the system.

Id say that’s our system as well. Easily. America is horrifically corrupt. You think Epstein wasn’t killed and then our media dropped the story? Let’s not look into that right?

we invade other nations on lies, and slaughter the innocent wholesale. We act like such actions are business as usual and go grab dinner. We are morally bankrupt.

here is a quick clip about how Bill Clinton has a policy where we all purposefully caused the deaths of 500,000 children as foreign policy.



Has russian ever come close to the horrors we commit like clockwork?

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Here's a gem from 2015:

It's Elliot Abrams. CFR pieces are usually intelligent and informed, but you have to take into account whose analysis you are reading.

This is the Neocon, hardline Right-Wing American Zionist perspective.

It's certainly true that Assad (and his father's) brutality and treatment of the Muslim Brotherhood has helped create the situation.

That's not enough to support his assertion that getting the Rebels to remove Assad is a solution to anything.

...and after all there are a lot of factors involved in the creation of IS, including the US invasion of Iraq and the Iraqi administration's treatment of the Sunni population.


Reagan era cold war nostalgia is not great Middle Eastern policy.

How things have changed.

 

[Ruprecht]

I have to admit, I'm confused by your stance here. You are generally very critical of US foreign policy.

Of course, especially military interventionism. Likewise the soft response to authoritarian corruption in Saudi Arabia (such as the assassination of Khashoggi). However criticising Russia's authoritarian corruption and it's opposition to liberal democracy (Putin isn't shy about it, he's constantly saying it's "obsolete" etc), and backing that up with sanctions, I completely support.
There's not a country I've been to where endemic corruption isn't an absolute blight on it's own population and broader. It's not like it stays within their borders.

 

[The ScorpioN]

The people of crimea voted to return to russia. Since when is it anti-american to support a democratic referendum.

Yeah when you have unidentified military personnel all of a sudden entering your home town, the choice is made for you.
Do you think if Estonia's Russian population all of a sudden "votes" to join Russia, should their vote be honored?

 

[Ruprecht]

Here's a gem from 2015:
How things have changed.

What change?

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

What change?

In 2015 you felt cold war nostalgia was bad foreign policy and now here you are propping it up.

 

[SBJJ]

Here's a gem from 2015:



How things have changed.

Things change depending on the party in power with many posters

 

[Ruprecht]

In 2015 you felt cold war nostalgia was bad foreign policy and now here you are propping it up.

Hardly. I'm still not supporting proxy wars running roughshod over the indigenous population, the propping up of authoritarian dictators or a renewed nuclear arms race.
Nor does my support for liberal democracy over authoritarian corruption only apply along the lines of first world versus second world and their third world allies. Nor the US for that matter, if your institutions do in fact fall.
They are certainly under attack.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Things change depending on the party in power with many posters

Seems that way

 

[Happy Man]

Here's a gem from 2015:



How things have changed.

It’s TDS In full form.

 

[ocfightfan]

No, but Hillary belongs in prison.

 

[SBJJ]

Seems that way

Judging from the response it is 100%

No fucking conviction. No soul.

Just politics....even with war and death

 

[SBJJ]

No, but Hillary belongs in prison.

For Libya and Syria. Yes. And we can throw Bush and Cheney in there with her. Keep a cell open next to them for Trump if he invades Iran.

 

[waiguoren]

Um, there is indisputable evidence that the Russians are absolutely supporting her campaign (even Gabbard won’t dispute it) and her line about our presence in Syria is a regime change war (not only a lie but taken from Russian propaganda)

Professor Jeffrey Sachs, Columbia University:

I think we have to step back and not put this in partisan terms. This is a US mistake that started seven years ago. I remember the day when President Obama said, "Assad must go", and I looked at you and Joe and I said, "Huh. How is he going to do that? Where's the policy for that?"

We know they sent the CIA in to overthrow Assad. The CIA and Saudi Arabia together in covert operations tried to overthrow Assad. It was a disaster. Eventually it brought in both ISIS as a splinter group to the jihadists that went in. It also brought in Russia. So we have been digging in deeper and deeper and deeper.

What we should do now is get out and not continue to throw missiles, not have a confrontation with Russia. Seven years has been a disaster under Obama, continuing under Trump. This is what I would call the "permanent state"---the CIA, the Pentagon---wanting to keep Iran and Russia out of Syria. There's no way to do that, so we have made a proxy war in Syria. It has killed 500,000 people and displaced 10 million, and predictably so because I predicted it seven years ago that there was no way to do this and that it would make complete chaos.

So what I would plead to President Trump is: get out. Like his instinct told him, by the way. That was his instinct. But then all the establishment---New York Times, The Washington Post, the Pentagon---everyone told him, "no, that's irresponsible." But his instinct was right.

 

[waiguoren]

Timber Sycamore


Timber Sycamore was a classified weapons supply and training program run by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and supported by some Arab intelligence services, such as the security service in Saudi Arabia. Launched in 2012 or 2013, it supplied money, weaponry and training to rebel forces fighting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in the Syrian Civil War. According to US officials, the program was run by the CIA's Special Activities Division [6] has trained thousands of rebels.[7][8] President Barack Obama secretly authorized the CIA to begin arming Syria’s embattled rebels in 2013.[9]

The program's existence was suspected after the US Federal Business Opportunities website publicly solicited contract bids to ship tons of weaponry from Eastern Europe to Taşucu, Turkey and Aqaba, Jordan.[10] One unintended consequence of the program has been a flood of US weapons including assault rifles, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades into Middle East's black market.

In July 2017, US officials stated that Timber Sycamore would be phased out, with funds possibly redirected to fighting the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), or to offering rebel forces defensive capabilities.[11][12][13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore

 

[SBJJ]

Professor Jeffrey Sachs, Columbia University:

I think we have to step back and not put this in partisan terms. This is a US mistake that started seven years ago. I remember the day when President Obama said, "Assad must go", and I looked at you and Joe and I said, "Huh. How is he going to do that? Where's the policy for that?"

We know they sent the CIA in to overthrow Assad. The CIA and Saudi Arabia together in covert operations tried to overthrow Assad. It was a disaster. Eventually it brought in both ISIS as a splinter group to the jihadists that went in. It also brought in Russia. So we have been digging in deeper and deeper and deeper.

What we should do now is get out and not continue to throw missiles, not have a confrontation with Russia. Seven years has been a disaster under Obama, continuing under Trump. This is what I would call the "permanent state"---the CIA, the Pentagon---wanting to keep Iran and Russia out of Syria. There's no way to do that, so we have made a proxy war in Syria. It has killed 500,000 people and displaced 10 million, and predictably so because I predicted it seven years ago that there was no way to do this and that it would make complete chaos.

So what I would plead to President Trump is: get out. Like his instinct told him, by the way. That was his instinct. But then all the establishment---New York Times, The Washington Post, the Pentagon---everyone told him, "no, that's irresponsible." But his instinct was right.

Unbelievably good video.

People forget this War and these deaths are largely caused by our regime change policy. Us being in Syria is 100% illegal.

What are govt did in Syria is the type of villainous shit you see in a Hollywood movie.