Is this Really Anderson "The Spider" Silva's Boxing Record?

[mschatz]

I didn't insult anyone when I created this thread. I asked for one thing, corroborative evidence for the Silva fight that has been recently added to his record. Now if someone can find a copy of one of those magazines and scan a pic of the results to print here, that would be great.
I'm the TS and I'm not making a claim one way or another. I'm asking for corroborative evidence that this fight was authentic. The burden of proof or disprove is on anyone who's interested in investigating this.

Because there isnt a picture of Silva getting beaten in his debut doesnt mean it didnt happen. Pro fighter's debuts making a newspaper, let alone a magazine isnt going to happen. What is this investigation youre asking for supposed to look like? I did a google search and couldnt find any pictures, so /thread now, or what?

 

[MMAddicted]

i cant believe how much buzz this is generating as it has happend before and nothing came of it. If one goes to the HW forum and looks at the threads about this, it is disturbing at how stupid people are.

At first i thought it was a few trolls, but there are established forum members with over 1500 posts saying they think silva would last the whole fight, or that he even has a chance of winning. It makes me sad

it isnt an MMA fight, it isnt a MT match (although, i bet jone would win that too), it is a fucking boxing match. I cant believe the hype machine the UFC has to warp people into this bullshit to think silva has a chance.


and LOL at this thread starter thinking people will contact silvas managers? Noone who posts here can do that, put what people here do know is that boxrec is the most credible source for boxing records. So you call his management if that's what you want, or shut the fuck up. Mad people keep making decent posts, and you keep questioning them.

wow, this guy is saying people are stupid for thinking anderson even has a chance of beating roy jones but he claims roy would also win a muay thai match LMFAO

holy shit

 

[mschatz]

wow, this guy is saying people are stupid for thinking anderson even has a chance of beating roy jones but he claims roy would also win a muay thai match LMFAO

holy shit

Who, Jeff? The amateur fighter? yeah, the hell does that guy know?

I dont agree with him on that one, but I value his opinion a lot more than yours.

 

[MysticNinjaJay]

Because there isnt a picture of Silva getting beaten in his debut doesnt mean it didnt happen. Pro fighter's debuts making a newspaper, let alone a magazine isnt going to happen. What is this investigation youre asking for supposed to look like? I did a google search and couldnt find any pictures, so /thread now, or what?

Now see, I could understand your line of questioning if I had started this thread off saying I don't believe this fight happened and challenged people to prove it did or else there's no reason to believe Boxrec. But I didn't say that. I just found it odd that Boxrec added this fight recently while other sources including their own Encyclopedia say that the 2005 fight was Silva's Boxing debut.

I don't know if Anderson "Da" Silva is a common alternate spelling but that also raised suspicions.

Obviously a Boxing debut is not going to make headline news but if he fought in the undercard of a bigger event there's a chance that the results are listed in a magazine somewhere. I mean we're talking about a fight in 1998 not 1908.

Kid McCoy has made some claims, attempting to confirm the fight. That's a start. If anyone is interested in finding one of those magazine editions and scanning the results that could lock up this discussion right there.

 

[Seano]

how so? i'm an anderson silva fan and i objectively looked at the rjj/silva fight and stated i think roy would win

how is that looking at things their way?

please

Hey , I know I've spoken against you, but I don't mind you sticking up for your fighter, I respect that. I take heat in the MMA forum for the same shit.

All in fun.

 

[a jessup]

Mystic, if you're really interested in getting to the bottom of this, then why aren't you pursuing the leads Kid gave you? It's not his obligation to deliver the evidence to your doorstep, nor meet an increasing burden of proof that applies only to Anderson Silva's boxing record, such as it is.

Obviously, Kid's post hit a nerve with MMAddict. Hence, the blustering.

 

[MMAddicted]

no doubt seano, of all the boxing huggers you're my favorite :icon_chee

Mystic, if you're really interested in getting to the bottom of this, then why aren't you pursuing the leads Kid gave you? It's not his obligation to deliver the evidence to your doorstep, nor meet an increasing burden of proof that applies only to Anderson Silva's boxing record, such as it is.

Obviously, Kid's post hit a nerve with MMAddict. Hence, the blustering.

hit a nerve? his post just made everything more confusing as he claimed it was an amateur bout which makes no sense at all. if it was an amateur bout it shouldn't be listed on his pro boxing record.

in an earlier post he admitted they recently added the 1998 bout and changed his listed name from anderson silva to anderson da silva.

and going back to the "tko vs. ko" argument

it also could have been a body shot ko or something, all i was referring to was all the boxing huggers proclaiming "anderson got KTFO in his first pro fight" when they never saw the fight and have no idea how it ended (assuming the 1998 bout was the real anderson silva)

the fact there's 2 anderson silvas listed on fightfinder also makes it more likely imo

 

[MysticNinjaJay]

Mystic, if you're really interested in getting to the bottom of this, then why aren't you pursuing the leads Kid gave you? It's not his obligation to deliver the evidence to your doorstep, nor meet an increasing burden of proof that applies only to Anderson Silva's boxing record, such as it is.

Obviously, Kid's post hit a nerve with MMAddict. Hence, the blustering.

I don't have access to Brazilian magazines and I don't know anyone who does. If he can make a phone call to someone who gives intimate detail about the setting of the fight he can probably find someone to scan the mag, give him the pic and post it here.

I'm not demanding it of him. Anyone who is interested in this story and has the connections to follow Kid McCoy's lead by all means contribute if you want to.

 

[aceventura]

Roy kills him.

End of thread.

 

[a jessup]

I don't have access to Brazilian magazines and I don't know anyone who does. If he can make a phone call to someone who gives intimate detail about the setting of the fight he can probably find someone to scan the mag, give him the pic and post it here.

I'm not demanding it of him. Anyone who is interested in this story and has the connections to follow Kid McCoy's lead by all means contribute if you want to.

Fair enough. If nothing else, we've gained a little understanding on boxrec's rationale for the change.

This sorta reminds me of the scandal that occurred when Macmillian's Baseball Encyclopedia removed 60 hits from Cap Anson's total, leaving him with a "mere" 2995 safeties and depriving him of the title of baseball's first 3000 hit man (since restored). Several sportswriters screamed at the "injustice" and advocated that the change be expunged out of respect to baseball's glorious tradition. Apparently error, unlike murder, has a statute of limitations.

 

[Kid McCoy]

Yeah, you've been a big help acting like a complete jackass.


Case closed! You win!


I think the obvious has been pointed out by others but if Silva's fight on the under card was an amateur bout it should NOT be on his PRO Boxing record.

Now I would have applauded you if you had presented this seemingly impressive research from the onset instead of coming in here and acting like a jackass but I must also point out that without a credible source your text itself is hearsay.

I didn't insult anyone when I created this thread. I asked for one thing, corroborative evidence for the Silva fight that has been recently added to his record. Now if someone can find a copy of one of those magazines and scan a pic of the results to print here, that would be great.

I suppose I do have a cynical tendency my friend, which it might seem is something, besides being a fight fan, that we share in common.

In this case, however, I did take a few minutes out of my busy day to seek out some information for you, the substance of it being still inadequate notwithstanding, so it

 

[bradlee180]

MMAddicted, you persist in propagating this "boxing nuthugger" imaginary battle that you're desperately fighting here in defense of your precious sport, but what you fail to realize is that just about every regular here in the Sherdog Boxing forum are MMA fans too.

 

[Haruhiismftw]

I suppose I do have a cynical tendency my friend, which it might seem is something, besides being a fight fan, that we share in common.

In this case, however, I did take a few minutes out of my busy day to seek out some information for you, the substance of it being still inadequate notwithstanding, so it

 

[uppercuts21]

Kid is brilliant.

 

[Seano]

I see Kid online, taking this in.

 

[Kid McCoy]

I see Kid online, taking this in.

Ya ?
So say something nice......

 

[Seano]

Ya ?
So say something nice......

Why you unappreciative bastard. I was one of the frst.http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?p=21608059

 

[bradlee180]

Yeah, me too in the other thread.
Then I thought Kid McCoy doesn't need anyone to defend him; he's tough in the way Dempsey was: friendly to folks and quick with a smile like Dempsey...but able to tear you a new one!

Respect, boy, respect.

Kid McCoy is a legitimate Boxing historian, but I think Kid McCoy also knows as much about MMA as he does about Boxing, not just the UFC history beginning in 1993 either, but combat-sports in general going back a few thousand years.

Pancrase with the early Greeks for god's sake.

Kid McCoy is a fountain of knowledge, has the sense-of-humor, and is perhaps the best you'll ever find on these Sherdog boards.

If you have any class at all or any semblance of what respect is, you ought to pm him with an apology or even a public apology right here. Isn't your hero, Anderson Silva, supposed to be all about class and respect? What about you?

Debate him if you will, McCoy enjoys good debates, but don't disrespect him in the debate.

Me? I'm content to sling $#!t with ya...

A few other regulars had similar things to say about McCoy in the other thread too.

WHAT A BUNCH OF SUCKUPS!!!

In all seriousness, you're very much appreciated around here, Kid McCoy.
You pass on your knowledge in style without a condescending tone to it.

I particularly appreciate how you let folks have their say before you come in and wrap it up with a single post that often settles the debate quick. If you made your post right at the start of the thread, it would basically kill the thread right out of the gate. It's appreciated that you let folks go to town for a while first.

 

[5acrossYOeye]

kid arent you tired of dominating MMAddcicted and Mystic?

they're like that battered wife who just keeps coming home for one last asskicking.

great work as always.

 

[Kid McCoy]

Why you unappreciative bastard. I was one of the frst.http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?p=21608059

Yeah, me too in the other thread.
Then I thought Kid McCoy doesn't need anyone to defend him; he's tough in the way Dempsey was: friendly to folks and quick with a smile like Dempsey...but able to tear you a new one!



A few other regulars had similar things to say about McCoy in the other thread too.

WHAT A BUNCH OF SUCKUPS!!!

In all seriousness, you're very much appreciated around here, Kid McCoy.
You pass on your knowledge in style without a condescending tone to it.

I particularly appreciate how you let folks have their say before you come in and wrap it up with a single post that often settles the debate quick. If you made your post right at the start of the thread, it would basically kill the thread right out of the gate. It's appreciated that you let folks go to town for a while first.

Awh shucks.
You guys are all right.

Being aloof is just the coolest thing.
Everybody on every board covering every topic likes to act like they