Is this Really Anderson "The Spider" Silva's Boxing Record?

[lukeviacoolhand]

There ain't no certainty in life. Except death.

Nah. I have a better chance of living forever than GSP has of beating an olympic gold medalist in wrestling.

 

[MysticNinjaJay]

Heh, the pull is irresistable.

I don't know what Mystic's motivation is, but as a big fan of checking things out I admire this thread.

That aside, it's obvious that many Silva fans (not necessarily Mystic) have a deep emotional investment in Silva's invincibility, and just can't abide evidence to the contrary.

I guess I should repeat again that I have never said I favor Silva in a match against Roy Jones Jr. I only mentioned it because I know people have an interest in him Boxing. This thread is about the accuracy of his Boxing record. I don't put Silva on any kind of unrealistic pedestal and don't believe losing a Boxing match in 1998 diminishes his success in MMA. If it happened it happened.

 

[Czechvarmander]

How do you think questions get asked of fighters like Cung being asked on The Beatdown how he would do in a fight against Anderson Silva? These questions don't just come out of the blue. Enough posters made threads about it for the press to consider it to be an interesting question.

If it takes threads on a message board for reporters to think of the question "How would you do against the best in your weight class" then there's something very wrong with MMA journalism.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

I would to. That's why I want someone to look into corroborative evidence for the record.





Did I say anything about Sherdog posters themselves contacting Silva's management?

Wow....

Here's how this works. You create some buzz about a topic, posters ask questions, it gets the attention of Sherdog management who then send their reporters out to investigate (because you know, Sherdog is part of the MMA press and have the connections to investigate this).

How do you think questions get asked of fighters like Cung being asked on The Beatdown how he would do in a fight against Anderson Silva? These questions don't just come out of the blue. Enough posters made threads about it for the press to consider it to be an interesting question.

I don't have the resources or connections to investigate this any more throughly than I have and neither do most posters. But if enough people take interest in it the idea is that someone who does have them will look into it.

ok, well at first i thought you were a troll, like the people in the HW forum, but I see you are actually interested by continuing to make these long posts. But i doubt the people on sherdog radio will even look at this thread.

I made those comments, because respectable posters gave insight and info and you kept questioning it. Although i dont know what goes on behind the scenes of boxrec, i trust it until something is changed. This thread has gotten to the point where you suggested someone contacts silva's manager, which is a more direct source than anything else, so I assumed this thread got to the point where nothing that will be will mean anything to you unless it is silvas manager posting. So i thought it was a done thread, since i dont see any boxing forum regulars being silvas manager.

if you go to the HW forum, there are more than enough threads about the topic to create buzz, as i said. I heard sherwood doesnt even like boxing, so having roy jones school silva in a boxing match is against their best interests, and i doubt they will press anderson on the subject.

I would trust boxrec until something is changed. Everyone makes mistakes, and boxrec could too, but i doubt they did. So unless they change it, it is what is most believeable, rather than posters in the HW forum who will try to say it isnt true.

 

[MysticNinjaJay]

ok, well at first i thought you were a troll, like the people in the HW forum, but I see you are actually interested by continuing to make these long posts. But i doubt the people on sherdog radio will even look at this thread.....

Hopefully we have an understanding now. I made this thread in both the Boxing and HW forums. I made it here first in hopes that some hardcore Boxing fans might know more about the record keeping or MMA fighters that have Boxing records.

This thread is all about getting to the truth. I haven't dismissed suggestions or evidence from anyone.

I would not question Silva's record if it weren't for other sources saying the 2005 fight was his debut and the 1998 loss being added recently.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Hopefully we have an understanding now. I made this thread in both the Boxing and HW forums. I made it here first in hopes that some hardcore Boxing fans might know more about the record keeping or MMA fighters that have Boxing records.

This thread is all about getting to the truth. I haven't dismissed suggestions or evidence from anyone.

I would not question Silva's record if it weren't for other sources saying the 2005 fight was his debut and the 1998 loss being added recently.

that's cool, i go to the HW forum everyday, since i am a fan of MMA. But i doubt any hardcore boxing fans were keeping up with silva in 1998 and even 2005.

he is nothing in boxing, despite being one of the p4p best in MMA. Noone EXACTLY knows what he is capable of, but boxrec says he is 1-1 and like ray sefo and might mo, i believe he went to MMA (like those did with k-1) to maximize their potential. If he was boxing in 1998 or even 2005 and showed potential, he would have kept with it to make $$$$$$$$$... as that is what governs the world.

ya'lll need to get real.

 

[Satyricus]

Anderson Silva in 1998 and the Anderson in 2008 are two different things. Him losing 10 years ago has nothing to do with anything.

 

[Kid McCoy]

If Boxrec is not reckless about these things why do they still have an open book stating that the 2005 fight was Silva's MMA debut when they have taken the time to update his full record, birth date, height and location?

I do not appreciate the insinuation by people that I am investigating this because I am surprised that Silva lost his Boxing debut. He lost his MMA debut. I know very well that fighters improve and that losing his Boxing debut to a fighter with a 20-2 record at the time does not diminish his success in MMA. This is about standards and accuracy not deifying Silva.

I share the desire to have recorded history reflect with accuracy what has indeed happened.
Further, I have contributed myself a wealth of research information to Boxrec, as well as to Fight Fax, and I can tell you that authentication of records is very much the focus of both groups.

I see no reason to doubt the authenticity of the loss by Silva, as indicated on his official record, nor do I give credence to the ranting about the profile updates.

The loss stands as fact, as provided by a reputable source, until it can be proven to have been in error, which apparently is your errand.

I might suggest that you explain your grievance here:

[email protected]


The man likes to box, shows some skill, uses Boxing as a cornerstone of his highly effective MMA style, and waxes publicly about his fantasy of contending against the world

 

[Rinksterk**]

Sorry for your pain.

Lol. Even if that one loss isn't Silva's it still doesn't matter because one win doesn't make you ready for RJJ.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Anderson Silva in 1998 and the Anderson in 2008 are two different things. Him losing 10 years ago has nothing to do with anything.

do you think RJJ would lose to silva? if not, this adds nothing, since it is completely ambiguous and if someone uneducated fan thought it, based on the context, they may think you think silva has a chance now a days, as opposed to 10 years ago.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

satyricus,

i wouldnt care if it was one person who think silva could beat rjj in a boxing match, but over 100 people in various threads (doesnt counter those who dont even post) is ridiculous and shows something in the logic of the general public.

People search MMA on something like yahoo and google and come to a place like sherdog seeking knowledge. If they see a bunch of crap like silva will be RJJ in a BOXING matching, not mma, not kickboxing, not chess... but a boxing match and the majority of people say silva might last to the DEC, or even might beat RJJ is absurd. When people who know nothing about combat sports see this, what are they to believe? I am not saying RJJ would beat silva in a MMA fight, or a street fight, but it is logical to say he would get owned in a boxing match. And people who say otherwise are just propagating sterotypes that boxers arent fighters and dont have a craft of their own (as some people say boxing is just one part of MMA), they dont know what true boxing is.

saying silva 10 years ago, is nothing like silva now is true, but both silvas wouldnt beat RJJ in a boxing match no matter what.

 

[lugubriousduck]

Anderson Silva is good, but not great at the disciplines in MMA he utilizes. In a pure boxing, Muai Thai, or BJJ match, he gets murdered.

 

[TheCuttlefish]

I doubt contacting his manager will have any effect. His official website lists his boxing record as 1-0. Unless you wanna go door to door or dig through micro-film in a Brazilian library this is a mystery that will never be conclusively proved. Like others have said however, it's fairly irrelevant. a 23yo with no experience getting KOd by a guy with 22 fights is not astonishing and has no impact on any future boxing outcomes (not that he would stand much of a chance against RJJ)


TO KidMcCoy Since this fight was added fairly recently (and therefore long after the fact) what sources might boxrec have used? I don't doubt their commitment to authenticity, I'm just curious what the standards would be for a fight this old. They certainly have international editors with access to local information but how much confirmation would be needed?

If he was boxing in 1998 or even 2005 and showed potential, he would have kept with it to make $$$$$$$$$

If his 2005 fight were his debut, how is a 2nd round KO not potential?

 

[FIGHT FAN]

I doubt contacting his manager will have any effect. His official website lists his boxing record as 1-0. Unless you wanna go door to door or dig through micro-film in a Brazilian library this is a mystery that will never be conclusively proved. Like others have said however, it's fairly irrelevant. a 23yo with no experience getting KOd by a guy with 22 fights is not astonishing and has no impact on any future boxing outcomes (not that he would stand much of a chance against RJJ)


TO KidMcCoy Since this fight was added fairly recently (and therefore long after the fact) what sources might boxrec have used? I don't doubt their commitment to authenticity, I'm just curious what the standards would be for a fight this old. They certainly have international editors with access to local information but how much confirmation would be needed?



If his 2005 fight were his debut, how is a 2nd round KO not potential?

if he had potential he would of stuck with it. plain and simple.

 

[MysticNinjaJay]

that's cool, i go to the HW forum everyday, since i am a fan of MMA. But i doubt any hardcore boxing fans were keeping up with silva in 1998 and even 2005.

he is nothing in boxing, despite being one of the p4p best in MMA. Noone EXACTLY knows what he is capable of, but boxrec says he is 1-1 and like ray sefo and might mo, i believe he went to MMA (like those did with k-1) to maximize their potential. If he was boxing in 1998 or even 2005 and showed potential, he would have kept with it to make $$$$$$$$$... as that is what governs the world.

ya'lll need to get real.

I created this thread to see if any hardcore Boxing fans were capable of corroborating this fight through other sources. I guess not. In 2005 Silva had an MMA record of 13-3 and was the Cage Rage MW champion. He already had an established MMA career. A Boxing match in 2005 would more likely be a fight on the side than the start of a new career. Maybe he did fight in 1998. The purpose of this thread is to find out if that newly added fight to his record is accurate or not, nothing more nothing less.

The loss stands as fact, as provided by a reputable source, until it can be proven to have been in error, which apparently is your errand.

I might suggest that you explain your grievance here:

[email protected]


The man likes to box, shows some skill, uses Boxing as a cornerstone of his highly effective MMA style, and waxes publicly about his fantasy of contending against the world

 

[lukeviacoolhand]

I created this thread to see if any hardcore Boxing fans were capable of corroborating this fight through other sources. I guess not. In 2005 Silva had an MMA record of 13-3 and was the Cage Rage MW champion. He already had an established MMA career. A Boxing match in 2005 would more likely be a fight on the side than the start of a new career. Maybe he did fight in 1998. The purpose of this thread is to find out if that newly added fight to his record is accurate or not, nothing more nothing less.




Dude, you're being way too dramatic. I made this thread to address the accuracy of the record with valid reasons to question it. You seem offended that I would question Boxrec. I don't take things at face value even from reputed sources when their presentation is questionable and make no apologies for it.

I already asked them about this on their board as did a few other Sherdog posters.

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1103497&sid=d03a0e5c8d9356fe09bd8a706c3784ef

If you can find a source that corroborates the 1998 fight present it. If you can't move on. I'm not interested in your arguments for the plausibility of the loss or insinuations that I have ulterior motives for making this thread other than to confirm the accuracy of a fight.

I just checked www.boxrec.com and they have your sig/av record at 1-1! I will not, and can not stand for such a grievous oversight on their part. We both know that you are undefeated in the world of sig/av bets and I will not rest until the editors at boxrec have admitted to their error and have made their apology public. As such, today marks day 1 of my hunger strike.

 

[gza]

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[DAZEDJELLYLEGS2]

I have been dreading coming near Sherdog after hearing that Silva had said this. The frontpage must have looked ridiculous and at the same time........tragic.

Anderson Silva could make Roy Jones Jr look like he is in his prime again.

 

[chardog]

7 years ago, silva was a lightweight fighter I believe. He was a 155lb fighter for some time.

 

[gza]

6'2 155?

haha. no disrespect but thats funny looking.