Opinion Is Sam Seder the best debater on the left?

[AdamWarlock]

sam seder is def better than the likes of internet debate bros destiny, hasanpiker, asmongold, ethan whatever his name is etc

but if you want real legit geopolitics takes you need to listen to actual experts
like jeffrey sachs, glenn greenwald, john mearsheimer, sam harris, norman finkelstein, mike benz etc. these people are all over the political spectrum and each of them can offer unique aspect and vast knowledge

 

[AmonTobin]

There's already threads on it. It's not derailing to point out a lie. Find a Rittenhouse thread and show me what you got.

Well you’ve gone this far. It matters to you. Don’t be a chicken. Start your own thread and tells us why you still think he’s innocent in 2025.

 

[PurpleDrank]

Debates are brain rot as far as a truth seeking avenue is concerned. Its simply narrative warfare.

 

[Scerpi]

It must be your first day in the war room, . There are people here who believe Trump is a good president...

lol...

There are people here who believe Biden was a good president even he thought he was a the president of NATO

 

[Confucamus]

Well you’ve gone this far. It matters to you. Don’t be a chicken. Start your own thread and tells us why you still think he’s innocent in 2025.

It was your claim, bud. Don’t run away now. I don’t really need to explain why he’s innocent That was proven in a court of law. The lie you repeated was also disproven. I notice you won’t touch that though in any of your responses.

 

[AmonTobin]

It was your claim, bud. Don’t run away now. I don’t really need to explain why he’s innocent That was proven in a court of law. The lie you repeated was also disproven. I notice you won’t touch that though in any of your responses.

Start a thread, coward. I double dog dare you.

 

[Confucamus]

Start a thread, coward. I double dog dare you.

It would just get merged with the other Rittenhouse threads. Plus, I don't care all that much. You made a claim that was literally disproven in a court of law, yet you repeat the lie and won't defend it. I'm not going to create a new thread for you to continue dancing around giving a straight answer.

 

[AmonTobin]

It would just get merged with the other Rittenhouse threads. Plus, I don't care all that much. You made a claim that was literally disproven in a court of law, yet you repeat the lie and won't defend it. I'm not going to create a new thread for you to continue dancing around giving a straight answer.

The short answer is more incriminating evidence has been made available post trial. My opinion never changed. I think he's a murderer and nobody would have been killed if he hadn't shown up with his AR15. He knew what he was getting into and he knew what he was going to do. You still could have @ me in the proper thread instead of this one...

 

[Confucamus]

The short answer is more incriminating evidence has been made available post trial. My opinion never changed. I think he's a murderer and nobody would have been killed if he hadn't shown up with his AR15. He knew what he was getting into and he knew what he was going to do. You still could have @ me in the proper thread instead of this one...

You lied about him crossing state lines with a gun. Also, you can call him a murderer if you want but it was completely disproven in a court of law.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Dont you know you have to be a conservative poster to keep a conservative from IMMEDIATELY bringing up trannies?

Sam is very good at debate without being a "debate Bro." He usually can get a conservative to start angrily ranting nonsense at him when they cant defend a point.

Pisco has been pretty on his game lately.

Not just that but trans sports which gets massively over focused on exactly because its a more complex issue they can make a little headway on without being AS dishonest.

I would say though I kind of wonder what videos like the above really achieve though even if he's shooting their arguments down. effectively To me that video just seems like something which would feed into a lot of MAGA anger, famous professional guy being condescending to "people off the street".

That seems a bit different from debating a rival at his own kind of level, it comes across more as between equals but also I think condensation is much more effective and needed were the man and the message became much more interlinked.

I just think that shifting ever more towards partisan aggression is a game that the right tend to win, especially if there's no real progressive voting option. Getting mild Trump voters off the street and actually converting them on air would probably be much more effective.

 

[jimmas99]

Not just that but trans sports which gets massively over focused on exactly because its a more complex issue they can make a little headway on without being AS dishonest.

I would say though I kind of wonder what videos like the above really achieve though even if he's shooting their arguments down. effectively To me that video just seems like something which would feed into a lot of MAGA anger, famous professional guy being condescending to "people off the street".

That seems a bit different from debating a rival at his own kind of level, it comes across more as between equals but also I think condensation is much more effective and needed were the man and the message became much more interlinked.

I just think that shifting ever more towards partisan aggression is a game that the right tend to win, especially if there's no real progressive voting option. Getting mild Trump voters off the street and actually converting them on air would probably be much more effective.

I believe you're mistaken here. Crowder, Shapiro, and Charlie Kirk built significant careers debating college students. Additionally, The Majority Report gained a substantial number of new subscribers following Sams Jubilee appearance.

I think this approach could work well for the left, as they often have the advantage of facts being on their side.

 

[HereticBD]

I think this approach could work well for the left, as they often have the advantage of facts being on their side.

That used to be the case. Today, they argue irrational nonsense. It's not that the people on the left are losing this war due to being bad debaters and not flooding the market with their people. They're losing because a lot of their positions are just plain absurd.

It's why the Democrats' new approach to social media won't work. They think they have a "messaging" problem, like they just haven't reached enough people. The reality is that they have a "message" problem. All they end up doing is broadcasting how crazy they are. The right doesn't have some magic power steering people in their direction. They simply have a better message, and it's very easy for them since their opponents have completely lost the plot.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Douglas Murray is way, way better than people like Shapiro.

 

[surgeyou1]

The best debater is the guy I agree with more

 

[Bob Gray]

The short answer is more incriminating evidence has been made available post trial. My opinion never changed. I think he's a murderer and nobody would have been killed if he hadn't shown up with his AR15. He knew what he was getting into and he knew what he was going to do. You still could have @ me in the proper thread instead of this one...

Literally the entire incident is on video and the violent, criminal history of the person who threatened to attack him, and then attacked, him is well known. What more do you need?

I take it the "evidence" is something that didnt happen that night? Something he said or did at some other place and time?

 

[AmonTobin]

Literally the entire incident is on video and the violent, criminal history of the person who threatened to attack him, and then attacked, him is well known. What more do you need?

I take it the "evidence" is something that didnt happen that night? Something he said or did at some other place and time?

Idiots posting in the wrong thread again. You walk into a crowd with an AR15, people are gonna hit the deck or rush you. It’s called fight or flight. He instigated everything that happened and that was his plan. You bring a gun into a crowd of people and you immediately escalate the situation. A civilian’s history or background is irrelevant and not grounds for being shot at or killed. People use that same argument for why it’s ok that that cop murdered George Floyd.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Debates are brain rot as far as a truth seeking avenue is concerned. Its simply narrative warfare.

yes and no. there is plenty of objective truth that people foolishly think is opinion-based. that's kind of the point of debating.

 

[Area809]

I know debates are often considered somewhat cringe these days and achieve little, but I still find them entertaining and a great way to expose people's opinions.

Who are the best debaters on the right? Ben Shapiro, Michael Knowles? On the left, Sam Seder must be considered the sharpest—I’ve only seen him struggle in a debate once. He’s best known for debating libertarians back when that was trendy, but now he’s been appearing on various other programs and dominating, in my opinion.

Here’s an example of his skills when he was on Jubilee. Maybe low-hanging fruit, but entertaining


This one’s a better example where he goes 5 vs 1 and totally dominates on the PBD podcast.


Do the left have anyone better?

I think him and Pakman are 1 and 1a. Pretty impressive the amount of information he has and how’s he’s able to reference it quickly during these debates.

That said, he was debating dumbasses on Jubilee and PBD. I had to stop watching. Their stupidity was pissing me off at one point lol.

 

[Bob Gray]

Idiots posting in the wrong thread again. You walk into a crowd with an AR15, people are gonna hit the deck or rush you. It’s called fight or flight. He instigated everything that happened and that was his plan. You bring a gun into a crowd of people and you immediately escalate the situation. A civilian’s history or background is irrelevant and not grounds for being shot at or killed. People use that same argument for why it’s ok that that cop murdered George Floyd.

Walking into a crowd with an AR-15 is legal in Wisconsin. Doesnt look like you actually watched footage or know what happened. Nobody hit the deck or rushed anybody for carrying a legal firearm. wtf are you even talking about?

His plan was to be threatened by a violent criminal, be assaulted and chased, and then use his firearm when his assaulter got within melee range of him while shouting "You're dead" and attempting to grab his firearm? Foolproof plan.

This will be derailment, so feel free to bump up the Rittenhouse thread with whatever "new evidence" you're alluding to that's better than actual prolonged video of the entire night leading up to and including the incident.

 

[Confucamus]

Idiots posting in the wrong thread again. You walk into a crowd with an AR15, people are gonna hit the deck or rush you. It’s called fight or flight. He instigated everything that happened and that was his plan. You bring a gun into a crowd of people and you immediately escalate the situation. A civilian’s history or background is irrelevant and not grounds for being shot at or killed. People use that same argument for why it’s ok that that cop murdered George Floyd.

You truly know nothing about the Rittenhouse case. You should stop pretending you do. You're embarrassing yourself.