I'm more convinced than ever that Jon Jones is suspended

[Superzorro]

Sorry bro, this is dumb. There’s no reason tho think this is the case. Jon publicly complained about pay and publicly shamed Dana and tried to publicly disclose their negotiations on Twitter. All stuff Dana hates. If Dana was making Jones such a giant favor, their relationship would be much better. Dana doesn’t give a fuck about Jon, he holds a grudge because he refuses to accept the Ngannou fight for the pay they want to give him. Dana hates losing in negotiations and hates fighter pay getting brought up even more. Lots of stars have been inactive due to this, Diaz bros, Conor, etc. All of this is public and obvious, there’s no reason for Dana to protect him or for them to even mount all that circus, for a fight that in your theory can’t even be sanctioned. Makes zero sense.

Exactly. It literally makes no sense. You can’t cherry pick certain statements a person has made and completely ignore others, or pick and choose what you want to be lies and the truth from them. Dana isn’t lying when he says that Jones won’t fight for a while. But he is lying when he says it’s due to pay? You can’t just pick and choose what you want to take as truth to fit your narrative.

 

[thehighking]

I actually agree with you, but his public excuse was about pay and putting the responsibility on the UFC for not paying fighters enough. Fake or not, Dana still hates that.

Ya sorry not wrong at all lol, agreed. Dana doesn't take kindly to people putting negotiating pressure on him.

 

[Superzorro]

The fact that they were publicly exchanging barbs about negotiations possibly means nothing, and if anything it supports my theory..

One of the reasons for hiding the failed PED test I am alleging is to keep your options open. If no one knows Jon failed a test and/or is (provisionally) suspended, then the UFC could bribe USADA or an arbitrator to cut his suspension short. That would allow them to make Jones-Ngannou if Jon agreed.

In fact, the public complaints on Jon's behalf signal to me that I'm right. Why? Dana would use this against Jon in negotiations. Dana would control Jon's future with a failed PED test. One word from Dana, and the information becomes public and Jon is facing a lifetime ban for his 3rd strike. This would allow Dana to lowball Jon, and Jon would have no bargaining power (other than to never fight again, anywhere).

I think this is exactly what happened. Jon wanted to get paid, and Dana wanted him to fight for $500k + PPV points. Jon wanted more guaranteed money, and Dana probably said "fight for your contract money, or be banned for life".

“This is exactly what happened.”
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Proof? Absolutely none. Zero.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Exactly. It literally makes no sense. You can’t cherry pick certain statements a person has made and completely ignore others, or pick and choose what you want to be lies and the truth from them. Dana isn’t lying when he says that Jones won’t fight for a while. But he is lying when he says it’s due to pay? You can’t just pick and choose what you want to take as truth to fit your narrative.

It makes perfect sense.

No doubt that Jon wants to be paid. His contract gives him a paltry $500k + some PPV points, which his heavily underpaid given his history. HOWEVER, consider that he did fail a PED test: Dana would control Jon's future. One word from Dana and Jon's failed test becomes public knowledge, and Jon is banned for life (or at the very least suspended for 4 years).

That is a massive bargaining tool. Without a failed PED test, Jon could vacate his LHW title and fight out his contract against whoever. Dana is legally obligated to offer Jon a certain number of LHW fights a year, or Jon can void his contract. But with a failed PED test, the UFC can retain Jon's rights forever until he agrees to their terms.

 

[Just Creed]

If you ain't cheating you ain't trying

Goat gonna goat

 

[Alpha_T83]

“This is exactly what happened.”
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Proof? Absolutely none. Zero.

Well, would you care to explain why Jon decided to take 2 of the last years of his prime off? He didn't need to fight Ngannou. His contract requires Dana to offer him fights.

He could have vacated the belt, fought out his contract, and become a free agent. Why wouldn't you do that if you didn't like the UFC's terms?

Also, if those of us suspecting his are right, then we will find out once Jon accepts a sanction. If he has an open PED case awaiting resolution, we will find out about some details before he fights next. Will you delete your account and remove your (retarded self) from the internet forever if Jon accepts sanctions before his next fight? Do the world a favor.

 

[fzoid4454]

We all know that the UFC & USADA aren't announcing anything anymore per PED tests. My bet is that Jon Jones fights shortly after Feb. 8, 2022, which would be perfectly in line with a 2 year suspension.

Actually, we don't all know that because that is 100% false, dumbass.

I'm absolutely convinced that aliens like to kidnap and anally probe hillbillies, and like to randomly kill cows. That doesn't make it so.

 

[GrantB13]

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We all know that the UFC & USADA aren't announcing anything anymore per PED tests. .

Yes they are. They just aren't announcing results until after it had been determined to be an intentional violation and then will announce a suspension. By the time we hear about it it's already been concluded. Now, could they be corrupt and not say anything? Possibly. But that's a lot of USADA employees to be in the loop.

Also, if USADA would be sneaky enough to not publicize a drug test failure why would they even bother suspending the fighter in the first place? Would they not just let them go if USADA, the UFC, and the fighter were all in on it? If anything the fighter wouldn't suspended. USADA would just tell them not to take a fight because a state commission might find something in the test. But it wouldn't have to be two years. The fighter would be out long enough to clear whatever was in there system.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Actually, we don't all know that because that is 100% false, dumbass.

I'm absolutely convinced that aliens like to kidnap and anally probe hillbillies, and like to randomly kill cows. That doesn't make it so.

What the fuck? Are you fucking retarded?

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2018/09/ufc-usada-failure-not-announced-resolved-jon-jones

They clearly announced they won't disclose PED failures until the case is resolved. And they failed to discuss what happens if the case goes to arbitration. Arbitration can be subject to NDAs, and the only reason Jones' previous arbitration results were made public is because people knew about the anti-doping violation.

You cannot say whether the new system allows them to completely sweep PED violations under the rug. We can't know what we don't know. Therefore you're a fucking retard.

 

[Volador]

Exactly. It literally makes no sense. You can’t cherry pick certain statements a person has made and completely ignore others, or pick and choose what you want to be lies and the truth from them. Dana isn’t lying when he says that Jones won’t fight for a while. But he is lying when he says it’s due to pay? You can’t just pick and choose what you want to take as truth to fit your narrative.

I won’t even bother with TS. He’s one of those unreasonable people like a flat earther or antivaxxer. Now for his theory to work, the UFC has to be willing to bribe USADA too (even though plenty of important and popular fighters have popped including Jones himself, costing the UFC a lot of money and big fights, or public image, like with Brock). Not only do we have zero proof or precedent of this being possible or even desirable, but it would also require USADA, the commission, Dana and other UFC brass and Jones to all work in unison in secret, risking serious jail time, with zero evidence and with other very obvious and transparent reasons for why Jon isn’t fighting (occam’s razor says hello). The UFC doesn’t depend on putting on super fights like it once did since they signed the ESPN deal, no reason to do that from a risk vs reward POV either.

It’s now conspiracies on top of conspiracies on top of conspiracies requiring more and more actors doing things in secret(hiding test, on top of inventing fake twitter beef for a fight that can’t be made, on top of firing your manager to make the fake beef more believable, on top of bribing usada). Thread is way too silly to invest any more time on, lol.

 

[Superzorro]

Well, would you care to explain why Jon decided to take 2 of the last years of his prime off? He didn't need to fight Ngannou. His contract requires Dana to offer him fights.

He could have vacated the belt, fought out his contract, and become a free agent. Why wouldn't you do that if you didn't like the UFC's terms?

Also, if those of us suspecting his are right, then we will find out once Jon accepts a sanction. If he has an open PED case awaiting resolution, we will find out about some details before he fights next. Will you delete your account and remove your (retarded self) from the internet forever if Jon accepts sanctions before his next fight? Do the world a favor.

How are these the two last years of his prime? That’s just your opinion. There’s no factual basis behind that. And there doesn’t have to be a reason that us as fans can see. Even though they literally stared it was pay. And there are tons of examples of fighters not fighting due to contract negotiations and pay. Let’s also not take away from the fact that you have concocted an imaginary fairy tale in your head that is very outlandish and you’re treating it as fact without a shred of evidence to back it up. This is literally just what you have your fingers crossed hoping to be true, not something based in reality.

 

[bambammccoy]

If only Jon was a big draw BEFORE 2 years out, then this would only make a tiny bit of sense.

Let's pretend Jones and Dana didn't go on Twitter throwing barbs at each other. Jon still has only went over 500k buys a couple of times in the last handful of years and had never gotten 1 million at the peak of his popularity which is no longer as big.

Ufc is all about money it would cost them more than they would make off Jones especially bc he is only in it for another fight or two.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Yes they are. They just aren't announcing results until after it had been determined to be an intentional violation and then will announce a suspension. By the time we hear about it it's already been concluded. Now, could they be corrupt and not say anything? Possibly. But that's a lot of USADA employees to be in the loop.

Also, if USADA would be sneaky enough to not publicize a drug test failure why would they even bother suspending the fighter in the first place? Would they not just let them go if USADA, the UFC, and the fighter were all in on it? If anything the fighter wouldn't suspended. USADA would just tell them not to take a fight because a state commission might find something in the test. But it wouldn't have to be two years. The fighter would be out long enough to clear whatever was in there system.

USADA would still need some internal standards. The private branch of USADA isn't bound by WADA's rules, but they still need plausible deniability of wrong-doing if a whistleblower made information public.

If they were freely sweeping PED failures under the rug for the UFC, then that would be a legal violation of their agreement with the NSAC. They could get into real trouble. However, if they are 'punishing' PED failures, they can claim they were acting in good faith.

This would, for example, allow them to give Jones a 2 year suspension for his 3rd strike, when he should be facing a lifetime ban. That is significant. And we don't know what happens with arbitration results. With the new system, arbitration could allow for an NDA to completely hide the suspension, or simply disclose an accepted sanction without the details of the alleged crime.

 

[DanAndroid]

A little tin foil hat I must say. Double secret hidden suspension? Let me guess, you think Donald Trump will be reinstated by the end of the month too.

 

[Alpha_T83]

If only Jon was a big draw BEFORE 2 years out, then this would only make a tiny bit of sense.

Let's pretend Jones and Dana didn't go on Twitter throwing barbs at each other. Jon still has only went over 500k buys a couple of times in the last handful of years and had never gotten 1 million at the peak of his popularity which is no longer as big.

Ufc is all about money it would cost them more than they would make off Jones especially bc he is only in it for another fight or two.

His contract is good for the UFC tho. Only $500k guaranteed + PPV points, and probably his PPV points aren't huge. If you can have a fighter draw 500-600k PPV buys three times a year, that is massive. It's difficult to replace that income, and the UFC is struggling for good fights to headline cards right now.

ALSO, 'another fight or two' would no longer be true if Jon failed a PED test. Imagine that scenario: Dana would control Jon's future. One word from Dana, and Jon's PED test failure becomes public, and he's banned for life. He couldn't ever fight again, anywhere, and the UFC could retain his rights forever.

That would allow Dana to say: re-up your contract @ $500k per fight for another 10 fights, or you never fight again. That would be enough to trigger Jon's public rants we've seen.

 

[Alpha_T83]

A little tin foil hat I must say. Double secret hidden suspension? Let me guess, you think Donald Trump will be reinstated by the end of the month too.

Fuck no. I'm a scientist. I hate that stupid Qanon shit.

I am basing this on legitimate observations, and quite frankly nothing else makes sense.

 

[Superzorro]

I won’t even bother with TS. He’s one of those unreasonable people like a flat earther or antivaxxer. Now for his theory to work, the UFC has to bribe USADA too (even though plenty of important and popular fighters have popped including Jones himself, costing the UFC a lot of money). Not only do we have zero proof of this being possible or even desirable, but it would also require USADA, the commission, Dana and other UFC brass and Jones to all work in unison in secret, risking serious jail time, with zero evidence and with other very obvious and transparent reasons for why Jon isn’t fighting (occam’s razor says hello). It’s now conspiracies on top of conspiracies on top of conspiracies (hiding test, on top of inventing fake twitter beef for a fight that can’t be made, on top of firing your manager to make the fake beef more believable, on top of bribing usada). Thread is way too silly to invest any more time on, lol.

Yeah, there’s something insanely wrong with people like this. They think the world revolves around them and would rather jump through a million hoops to prove a theory with zero facts behind it as opposed to believing something way more likely to be real with way less effort.

 

[DanAndroid]

Fuck no. I'm a scientist. I hate that stupid Qanon shit.

I am basing this on legitimate observations, and quite frankly nothing else makes sense.

idk, it doesn't appear like he is suspended at all. plus they are still telling us about suspensions. They just don't tell us immediately when someone fails I think, they aren't doing secret suspensions, they are just doing their due diligence to avoid dragging someone's name through the mud for a tainted supplement and shit.

 

[GrantB13]

Really? The answer is always the same: Money.

2 main money related reasons:

1) Announcing the suspension would require a lifetime ban as Jon's 3rd strike. There's no way the public would let the NSAC agree to a 2 year suspension for Jones' 3rd strike. This would end his career, and he wouldn't make the UFC any more money.

2) The UFC wanted Jones to fight Ngannou. If Jon had actually agreed, Dana probably could have bribed USADA to reduce Jon's suspension. You could only get away with this if no one knew about the suspension in the first place.

How much money is Jones making them by not being the champ and sitting out for two years? Zero.

How much money would he make them if he constantly gets popped but is on secret suspension all the time? Zero.

How much money would Dana not pay Jones but would be more than willing to pay USADA to not release the results of the test, potentially crumble the entire UFC and USADA organizations simultaneously, and force Jones to sit on the sidelines for two whole years and make the UFC no money?

 

[Superzorro]

His contract is good for the UFC tho. Only $500k guaranteed + PPV points, and probably his PPV points aren't huge. If you can have a fighter draw 500-600k PPV buys three times a year, that is massive. It's difficult to replace that income, and the UFC is struggling for good fights to headline cards right now.

ALSO, 'another fight or two' would no longer be true if Jon failed a PED test. Imagine that scenario: Dana would control Jon's future. One word from Dana, and Jon's PED test failure becomes public, and he's banned for life. He couldn't ever fight again, anywhere, and the UFC could retain his rights forever.

That would allow Dana to say: re-up your contract @ $500k per fight for another 10 fights, or you never fight again. That would be enough to trigger Jon's public rants we've seen.

Sorry dude but you need help.