I'm more convinced than ever that Jon Jones is suspended

Paolo Delutis said:
I believe USADA still announces 100% proven cases...

They dont announce Contested cases...or under review cases till proven

But we still hear about people popping...just way more sporadic...
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I mean, they can announce a case if they want. They need to announce enough PED suspensions to convince everyone that the system isn't fully corrupt.

However, you could circumvent the announcement by not accepting a sanction and keeping your case "open" with a provisional suspension. That way they would never announce it. And that's assuming that they need to announce a proven case.

Further, if Jon went to arbitration and accepted a 2 year suspension from arbitration, this new (corrupt) system would probably allow him to demand an NDA as per his accepted punishment.
 
Iron Monger said:
they won't disclose anymore case until they're resolved. And we saw woth jones last time that it can take 15 months to "resolve" a case (sic). So it is a very possible probability
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Also it's possible he could go to arbitration and ask for an NDA now, since it doesn't have to be public anymore.
 
@Alpha_T83

I don’t think he’s suspended. Possibly awaiting arbitration for a new infraction. From what I understand the samples go into the lab anonymously and once tested show up on the computer systems of both USADA and WADA. So if USADA tried to sweep it under the rug then WADA would call them out.

On a different note I’ve fit a generic regression curve to turinabol single dose data. Specifically a 3 exponential term curve plus a constant. As we know this is a solution to a third order linear non-homogeneous differential equation. I’ve reversed engineered the differential equation and now I’m setting the right side equal to a summation of shifted Dirac delta functions for multiple doses. I’m solving it via Laplace transforms.

I’ll post the results later today and would love your feed back.
 
kekiss said:
Not sure about that , but wouldn’t surprise me one bit. Only reason why I don’t think he is suspended is that he no longer got Dana White privilege, meaning Dana wouldn’t waste chance shitting on Jones.
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I mean Dana White is legally obligated to offer him a certain number of fights per year, in his natural weight class. If Jon wanted to fight, Dana couldn't stop him.

I don't see Jon sitting out the last of his prime earning years voluntarily.
 
UsernameLOL said:
@Alpha_T83

I don’t think he’s suspended. Possibly awaiting arbitration for a new infraction. From what I understand the samples go into the lab anonymously and once tested show up on the computer systems of both USADA and WADA. So if USADA tried to sweep it under the rug then WADA would call them out.

On a different note I’ve fit a generic regression curve to turinabol single dose data. Specifically a 3 exponential term curve plus a constant. As we know this is a solution to a third order linear non-homogeneous differential equation. I’ve reversed engineered the differential equation and now I’m setting the right side equal to a summation of shifted Dirac delta functions for multiple doses. I’m solving it via Laplace transforms.

I’ll post the results later today and would love your feed back.
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You're right -- I should say "at least provisionally suspended awaiting a PED case to be resolved".

Sorry -- misread your post. The bit about WADA isn't true I don't think. USADA has a WADA branch and a private branch. Their private branch isn't bound by the same rules. They do all use the same testing facilities, so I don't think they're fudging test results or anything like that. However, what they do with that information isn't bound by WADA rules as per the UFC.

With that said, I agree that he's probably not "officially" suspended. However, I do believe he has at the very least an open PED case and provisional suspension, preventing him from fighting until said case is resolve.d
 
genecop said:
The UFC has not shown an adversity to bad press for their fighters…Dana doesn’t GAF…Jones could have been officially suspended for 2 more years, and still would have sold fights..
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If they announce that he has a third infraction for PEDS and he's only suspended 2 years the public outrage would be unreal so yes it's in their best interest to not disclose it
 
Superzorro said:
So you’re basing this on what exactly? Wishful thinking? If someone hasn’t fought in a while, chances are they have a suspension? Or just Jones?
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The fact that Jon specifically mentioned taking 2 years off after his last fight. The fact that Dana White won't think about Jon until 2022 when he clearly needs big fights to headline PPVs, and that timing just happens to be 2 years.

And why would Jon take 2 of the last years of his prime off on a whim? You think he just vacated his title willingly? Even if he was moving to heavyweight, why give up the belt when he could become a champ-champ. He should have clearly earned some leeway to allow for an interim LHW belt while he took care of business at HW.
 
Iron Monger said:
If they announce that he has a third infraction for PEDS and he's only suspended 2 years the public outrage would be unreal so yes it's in their best interest to not disclose it
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Sorry bro, this is dumb. There’s no reason tho think this is the case. Jon publicly complained about pay and publicly shamed Dana and tried to publicly disclose their negotiations on Twitter. All stuff Dana hates. If Dana was making Jones such a giant favor, their relationship would be much better. Dana doesn’t give a fuck about Jon, he holds a grudge because he refuses to accept the Ngannou fight for the pay they want to give him. Dana hates losing in negotiations and hates fighter pay getting brought up even more. Lots of stars have been inactive for years due to this, Diaz bros, Conor, etc. All of this is public and obvious, there’s no reason for Dana to protect him or for them to even mount all that circus, for a fight that in your theory can’t even be sanctioned with a suspended fighter. Makes zero sense.
 
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Why pay Jones & Ngannou to fight when Gane and Lewis will throw down for 75% cheaper.
 
Fossor said:
GSP was suspended for 4 years from November 2013 to November 2017. And then was caught again.
Money!

<EdgyBrah>
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USADA wasn't administering his tests back then, and the athletic commissions were legally obligated to report failed tests. So, probably not the case.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
The fact that Jon specifically mentioned taking 2 years off after his last fight. The fact that Dana White won't think about Jon until 2022 when he clearly needs big fights to headline PPVs, and that timing just happens to be 2 years.

And why would Jon take 2 of the last years of his prime off on a whim? You think he just vacated his title willingly? Even if he was moving to heavyweight, why give up the belt when he could become a champ-champ. He should have clearly earned some leeway to allow for an interim LHW belt while he took care of business at HW.
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They were just trying to negotiate the Ngannou’s fight a few months ago. Why would that take place if they knew he was suspended? Why can’t Dana White just be quoting the number of years Jones put out there?
 
Volador said:
Sorry bro, this is dumb. There’s no reason tho think this is the case. Jon publicly complained about pay and publicly shamed Dana and tried to publicly disclose their negotiations on Twitter. All stuff Dana hates. If Dana was making Jones such a giant favor, their relationship would be much better. Dana doesn’t give a fuck about Jon, he holds a grudge because he refuses to accept the Ngannou fight for the pay they want to give him. All of this is public and obvious, there’s no reason for Dana to protect him or for them to even mount all that circus, for a fight that in your theory can’t even be sanctioned. Makes zero sense.
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Wrong. Jones doesn't actually want the Ngannou fight. He ducked Ngannou using the money excuse knowing that his fans would eat it up. No way he actually wanted to fight Ngannou or it would have happened.
 
thehighking said:
Wrong. Jones doesn't actually want the Ngannou fight. He ducked Ngannou using the money excuse knowing that his fans would eat it up. No way he actually wanted to fight Ngannou or it would have happened.
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I actually agree with you, but his public excuse was about pay and putting the responsibility on the UFC for not paying fighters enough. Fake or not, Dana still hates that.
 
Volador said:
Sorry bro, this is dumb. There’s no reason tho think this is the case. Jon publicly complained about pay and publicly shamed Dana and tried to publicly disclose their negotiations on Twitter. All stuff Dana hates. If Dana was making Jones such a giant favor, their relationship would be much better. Dana doesn’t give a fuck about Jon, he holds a grudge because he refuses to accept the Ngannou fight for the pay they want to give him. All of this is public and obvious, there’s no reason for Dana to protect him or for them to even mount all that circus, for a fight that in your theory can’t even be sanctioned. Makes zero sense.
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The fact that they were publicly exchanging barbs about negotiations possibly means nothing, and if anything it supports my theory..

One of the reasons for hiding the failed PED test I am alleging is to keep your options open. If no one knows Jon failed a test and/or is (provisionally) suspended, then the UFC could bribe USADA or an arbitrator to cut his suspension short. That would allow them to make Jones-Ngannou if Jon agreed.

In fact, the public complaints on Jon's behalf signal to me that I'm right. Why? Dana would use this against Jon in negotiations. Dana would control Jon's future with a failed PED test. One word from Dana, and the information becomes public and Jon is facing a lifetime ban for his 3rd strike. This would allow Dana to lowball Jon, and Jon would have no bargaining power (other than to never fight again, anywhere).

I think this is exactly what happened. Jon wanted to get paid, and Dana wanted him to fight for $500k + PPV points. Jon wanted more guaranteed money, and Dana probably said "fight for your contract money, or be banned for life".
 
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