I'm more convinced than ever that Jon Jones is suspended

I don't. I think given how he looked in his last few lheavy fights and , at the time , his confidence in a move up - I think Jon is afraid of not only suffering his first loss but possibly getting KTFO. That's what I believe is going through the head of J.Jones . If or when he does fight , itll be agsinst one of those top guys .... really interested to see how this plays out.

I think Jon also looking for that enormous payday ( just in case he loses and badly) where he can just walk away.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
We all know that the UFC & USADA aren't announcing anything anymore per PED tests.
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You know that's only half the truth. Would you mind finishing that sentence please?

Cmon son. If you think you have a reasonable hypothesis, at least be honest about the counter arguments. If you have to lie to make your hypothesis seem more reasonable, you've already lost.

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2018/09/ufc-usada-failure-not-announced-resolved-jon-jones
USADA cases now won't be announced until after they're resolved​
  • If you want to make the case that Jones is currently in arbitration and they haven't announced it, then make that case.
  • If you want to make the case that he is suspended and they aren't announcing it - that USADA has changed it's policy without telling anyone - then make that case.
But don't lie in order to put up a half baked shit hypothesis. It's embarrassing.
 
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Alpha_T83 said:
What the fuck? Are you fucking retarded?

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2018/09/ufc-usada-failure-not-announced-resolved-jon-jones

They clearly announced they won't disclose PED failures until the case is resolved. And they failed to discuss what happens if the case goes to arbitration. Arbitration can be subject to NDAs, and the only reason Jones' previous arbitration results were made public is because people knew about the anti-doping violation.

You cannot say whether the new system allows them to completely sweep PED violations under the rug. We can't know what we don't know. Therefore you're a fucking retard.
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Please note the difference between your original bullshit claim, and what you just posted -

Original - "We all know that the UFC & USADA aren't announcing anything anymore per PED tests"
Just posted - "they won't disclose PED failures until the case is resolved."

You originally claimed they were NEVER announcing failures. The reality is they withhold until athletes have a chance to appeal. Your original claim, that I said was 100% bullshit, was 100% bullshit, as I said.

Way to try and move the goalposts, asshole.
 
Hmmm, plausible. Something has to be up. Maybe a bad injury, thinking of retiring, legal stuff in his personal life. Who knows what Jones is getting up to.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
USADA would still need some internal standards. The private branch of USADA isn't bound by WADA's rules, but they still need plausible deniability of wrong-doing if a whistleblower made information public.

If they were freely sweeping PED failures under the rug for the UFC, then that would be a legal violation of their agreement with the NSAC. They could get into real trouble. However, if they are 'punishing' PED failures, they can claim they were acting in good faith.

This would, for example, allow them to give Jones a 2 year suspension for his 3rd strike, when he should be facing a lifetime ban. That is significant. And we don't know what happens with arbitration results. With the new system, arbitration could allow for an NDA to completely hide the suspension, or simply disclose an accepted sanction without the details of the alleged crime.
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I see you've abandoned your "I'm not a conspiracy nut, I'm a scientist going by observed events" claim.
 
well you'd be implying a state commission cover up which would involve a conspiracy of some king, but we live in an era where elections and viruses are thought to have been faked so I could see why this theory would gain traction (over the most simple explanation that Jon Jones knows he would get demolished)
 
no1 just sits our for 2 years in their prime with no explanation. hes been caught again
 
If Jon fights at HW in 2022 many will have to rethink why he was out for 2 years. Personally, I've seen enough investigative journalism into enough conspiracies (from misplacing pension funds' money to Enron to mortgage schemes to child sex parties for politicians and their bosses) to know that a conspiracy can arise ANYWHERE ppl aren't looking hard enough for it.

That said, it does NOT mean a conspiracy IS ARISING anywhere.

If Jon is suddenly ready to fight in 2022 it will be at least curious.
 
You're crazy.. in today's day and age, that shit would have leaked already. Too many reporters, too many people involved. No way they could hide something like that.
 
linvillegorge said:
I mean, Anthony Smith claims he was told repeatedly leading up to their fight that Jones was failing his tests.
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wasnt he just throwing jabs though ? because of the whole pulsing thing ? He literally fails every test except they dont count that one against him
 
ThePunisher said:
Exactly. People with low critical thinking skills do all kinds of mental gymnastics to make their conspiracies work. A conspiracy, mind you, that would take multiple agreeing participants who gain nothing from it (or, at the very least, their "reward" wouldn't outweigh the risk). The simplest and most obvious conclusion takes less critical thinking, yet, ironically, the simple minded folk can't seem to grasp the more simpler of the conclusions.

I think the scenario is either what you just explained, or, just possibly it's a legitimate hold up (money, fear, etc). Definitely not some shadowy conspiracy involving many people covering up some suspension.
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I mean I spose its not impossible a failed test and a 2 year suspension might be involved but occams razor does clearly seem to suggest what he posted that Jones is running from LHW comp, I might add that Jones could have been prepaired to fight Stipe after he looked past his best against DC the 3rd time(he announced the move days after that match) even in victory but wasnt prepared to fight Francis.
 
There is definitely more to it than "money" - i also believe that this is all purposeful by the UFC to drum up drama and interest.
 
Can you imagine if he was actually suspended and during that whole time he was arguing about how he is the goat and want more money to fight ngannou etc
Trash
 
Alpha_T83 said:
And if this is true, a 2 year suspension is absolutely criminal. This would be his 3rd strike which should be a lifetime ban.
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Which is why your take makes no sense. He was already suspended for more than 2 years.
 
It's pretty simple really. He doesn't want to take the inevitable L at lhw and he he doesn't want to take the inevitable L at hw, so the only thing to do is to not fight at all. To keep people from calling him a chickenshit coward, he's still pretending to fight at hw but it will never happen. When he finally announces his retirement, it will be because 'UFC wouldn't pay enough'.
 
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