Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

[BFoe]

The economy was 1A and immigration was 1B. You're downplaying the effect that Biden's disastrous immigration policies had. And the culture war (trans stuff, etc) was 3rd.

There was a poll posted here showing this after the election. Economy and immigration was not far apart in most important issues.

The economy was 1A and immigration was 1B. You're downplaying the effect that Biden's disastrous immigration policies had. And the culture war (trans stuff, etc) was 3rd.

There was a poll posted here showing this after the election. Economy and immigration was not far apart in most important issues.

Wtf? Of course they lost for being too woke. Open borders isn’t woke? lol
Then putting millions of people up in rooms on tax money cause they created a humanitarian crisis by that woke “good intentioned” short sighted, and reckless bullshit. And all while lying their ass off that there wasn’t a problem at the borders.

I’m quoting both of you because @UberHere actually makes a point that’s worth discussing, which I’ll get to at the end. This will probably make my post longer than I intended, so apologies for that.

To me, culture war issues are issues usually about the rights of marginalized or minority groups: women’s rights/fair pay/abortion access, diversity initiatives (which again largely help women but also minority groups), gay rights, trans rights, things like that. Although I suppose you could lump guns in there. I would assume @Hog-train sees it the same way based on how he phrased his posts above.

Despite the messaging from the Right, those things were not big issues for Trump voters. In most exit polls, the economy, state of democracy, immigration, and foreign policy all ranked higher than any culture war issue (I noticed some right wing exit polls didn’t even include the “state of democracy” choice). Things like gay rights or trans rights tended to rank very low. The idea that we lost because we’re extreme in those regards is just nonsense.
So, no—I wasn’t downplaying the role of immigration as an issue, I even mentioned it specifically. I just don’t consider it a culture war issue just as @Hog-train didn’t seem to in his post above.

If by “you lost because you’re so extreme and woke and culture war and blah blah” you just mean people didn’t like Biden’s immigration policies, then ok I guess. All the other (actual) culture war stuff did not rank highly, and to act like we lost the election because of that is dishonest.

—People who voted for Trump overwhelmingly did so because they thought he’d be better on the economy—and they were tragically wrong.

—Even amongst those who voted for him because of immigration, Trump is getting pushback from those naive souls who actually thought he was going to prioritize dangerous criminals and not just do a bunch of oppressive shit.

Education and immigration I have always viewed as policy disagreements, not culture war issues—but after reflecting on what @UberHere said, I’d say that conservatives are certainly trying to make them culture war issues with their book bans, restrictive laws that aim to discriminate against minorities, stupid “indoctrination” accusations, trying to siphon tax dollars away from public education with bullshit voucher programs, and the like where education is concerned; and racist CTs (“Great Replacement”) scapegoating of immigrants, violations of civil rights and so forth where immigration is concerned.
So I can agree that these two areas are sadly becoming culture war issues.

Now the accusation that we “lied our ass off that there wasn’t a problem at the border” is just complete nonsense. Even Biden admitted it was a problem; prominent Dems like Mark Kelly criticized Biden for it; and many Dems stressed the fact that executive actions are insufficient often temporary, and we reached across the aisle to craft a bipartisan bill to address several border issues, and Republicans wouldn’t do dick about it. In fact, some were on record stating that they wouldn’t do anything about the border until a Republican was elected president.

 

[HockeyBjj]

 

[Bwagster]

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Lmao...this dude just described profiling on air

What an idiot

I guess you just can't be brown or have an accent and be anywhere near ICE or you're gonna get abducted lmfao

 

[SurferH2O]

We have Democrats going full fascist as they have set up checkpoints in the streets to go after citizens walking, forcing them to pledge allegiance to their cause or be accosted. The Left has gone into churches demanding that people align with them.

The Fascists are here, and they come with a (D) backing them up.

Democrat Attorney General Keith Ellison has approved of shutting down mass/services by Leftist protestors.

Let's be clear, the U.S. Constitution does not say we have the right to protest. What we have is the RIGHT TO PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE, and the Democrats have gone far beyond that with the approval of Democrat Governors, Mayors, and Attorney Generals.

 

[Brother Numsi]

Thats pretty shitty about the old man. If its true about the no warrant thing, hopefully he can sue and get some monetary compensation.

Every bullshit overreach/abuse of power like this is only going to be blown up more. Be above reproach you dumb cunts.



For every ICE mistep, there are countless retarded leftists like these clowns crushing normie sentimentality.

Screaming Nazi at every white person, or those with opposed politics, and storming churches is a great tactic.

This reminds me of the Occupy Wallstreet movement. There was genuine cause to protest the housing crash bailouts, it was so dirty.

Then all the leftist weirdos and their hand signals came in and crushed any movement, as they always do.

Then there's Don Lemon. He is Trump's and the right's best advocate. Few have done more harm to left and minority sympathies than that idiot.

I can see why Trump isn't escalating things with an insurrection act, yet. Walz, Omar, and that cuck Mayor are getting outplayed.

ICE were always going to mishandle things and cause a stir, but leave it to the leftists and ATIFA tards to one up them constantly.

We'll see who outdoes who in the court of public appeal/disgust in the end, but my money is on the leftists. Courting those lunatics was always a bad decision from the dems.

Bro, even people I know who supported deportations were starting to agree with the protests and speak out on the actions of ICE. Then, like all radical movements, they go too far and lose any moderate supporters they were gaining. This is what happens to any groups with no real leadership. There’s no accountability and eventually it will fade away over time.

The picture remains the same no matter how many times the frame changes

 

[SurferH2O]

Lmao...this dude just described profiling on air

What an idiot

They can try... and a person can assert their 4th and 5th Amendment Rights. If they violated those rights, that person can now sue the shit out of them. Everyone has a phone, and it's all being recorded, so this will be corrected if they line step.

 

[UberHere]

I’m quoting both of you because @UberHere actually makes a point that’s worth discussing, which I’ll get to at the end. This will probably make my post longer than I intended, so apologies for that.

To me, culture war issues are issues usually about the rights of marginalized or minority groups: women’s rights/fair pay/abortion access, diversity initiatives (which again largely help women but also minority groups), gay rights, trans rights, things like that. Although I suppose you could lump guns in there. I would assume @Hog-train sees it the same way based on how he phrased his posts above.

Despite the messaging from the Right, those things were not big issues for Trump voters. In most exit polls, the economy, state of democracy, immigration, and foreign policy all ranked higher than any culture war issue (I noticed some right wing exit polls didn’t even include the “state of democracy” choice). Things like gay rights or trans rights tended to rank very low. The idea that we lost because we’re extreme in those regards is just nonsense.
So, no—I wasn’t downplaying the role of immigration as an issue, I even mentioned it specifically. I just don’t consider it a culture war issue just as @Hog-train didn’t seem to in his post above.

If by “you lost because you’re so extreme and woke and culture war and blah blah” you just mean people didn’t like Biden’s immigration policies, then ok I guess. All the other (actual) culture war stuff did not rank highly, and to act like we lost the election because of that is dishonest.

—People who voted for Trump overwhelmingly did so because they thought he’d be better on the economy—and they were tragically wrong.

—Even amongst those who voted for him because of immigration, Trump is getting pushback from those naive souls who actually thought he was going to prioritize dangerous criminals and not just do a bunch of oppressive shit.

Education and immigration I have always viewed as policy disagreements, not culture war issues—but after reflecting on what @UberHere said, I’d say that conservatives are certainly trying to make them culture war issues with their book bans, restrictive laws that aim to discriminate against minorities, stupid “indoctrination” accusations, trying to siphon tax dollars away from public education with bullshit voucher programs, and the like where education is concerned; and racist CTs (“Great Replacement”) scapegoating of immigrants, violations of civil rights and so forth where immigration is concerned.
So I can agree that these two areas are sadly becoming culture war issues.

Now the accusation that we “lied our ass off that there wasn’t a problem at the border” is just complete nonsense. Even Biden admitted it was a problem; prominent Dems like Mark Kelly criticized Biden for it; and many Dems stressed the fact that executive actions are insufficient often temporary, and we reached across the aisle to craft a bipartisan bill to address several border issues, and Republicans wouldn’t do dick about it. In fact, some were on record stating that they wouldn’t do anything about the border until a Republican was elected president.

This is where I differ from conservatives is that I loathe book bans and censorship. I don’t want to scapegoat immigrants. I think most of them are willing to work hard and provide for their families. I’d do the same thing in their shoes. The new president urges on national tv to “immediately surge the border” and get rewarded for it with welfare benefits, id be there too. I fault leadership for that and they absolutely did lie about it not being a problem until they couldn’t hide it anymore because it became a humanitarian crisis.

 

[Bwagster]

Too bad the church members didn't beat the hell out of Lemon and his shitheads and throw them out. Too many Christian churches will put up with shit like this especially in the north.

I would like to see Don Lemon try that in a black church.

 

[SurferH2O]

Bro, even people I know who supported deportations were starting to agree with the protests and speak out on the actions of ICE. Then, like all radical movements, they go too far and lose any moderate supporters they were gaining. This is what happens to any groups with no real leadership. There’s no accountability and eventually it will fade away over time.

The picture remains the same no matter how many times the frame changes

I think you're mostly right. Where I think you could adjust to be totally correct is that the movement does have leadership.

We just had Democrat Keith Ellison encourage the protestors/rioters to go into churches and disrupt. We have the Governor and Mayor telling them to continue with their aggressive behavior. They do have leadership, and it's encouraging the escalation.

I think people were questioning ICE, but are now going... nah fuck those Left Cult fascists in the streets doing fealty checks on people just minding their own business and accosting parishioners in church services/mass.

 

[SurferH2O]

I would like to see Don Lemon try that in a black church.

It may turn into a full Waffle House event, but I would hope they'd escort him out of the House of God and then deal with them accordingly.

Lemon is such a vile little ghoul... an ass-kicking would serve him well.

 

[Azure]

Why does it seem like every election cycle we get some type of civil unrest

BLM ran wild until the election and then basically disappeared
Anti Jew stuff on University campuses
Now Immigration. This one is using the same playbook that BLM/Trans movement did.. people roaming the streets and if you don't specifically sate you are on the Anti ICE side you are labeled a Nazi/White Supremacist..

If you don't support the movement you are instantly the worst possible thing.. No middle ground.

 

[Kassitus]

Lmao...this dude just described profiling on air

What an idiot

I guess you just can't be brown or have an accent and be anywhere near ICE or you're gonna get abducted lmfao

Profiling is a regular part of law enforcement. You aren't going to make Japanese grandmas the suspect of many crimes. Just the nature of the world. When public wellbeing comes into play abstract niceties go out the window.

 

[Azure]

It may turn into a full Waffle House event, but I would hope they'd escort him out of the House of God and then deal with them accordingly.

Lemon is such a vile little ghoul... an ass-kicking would serve him well.

Celeberty MMA Don Lemon vs Dave Rubin

 

[Brother Numsi]

I think you're mostly right. Where I think you could adjust to be totally correct is that the movement does have leadership.

We just had Democrat Keith Ellison encourage the protestors/rioters to go into churches and disrupt. We have the Governor and Mayor telling them to continue with their aggressive behavior. They do have leadership, and it's encouraging the escalation.

I think people were questioning ICE, but are now going... nah fuck those Left Cult fascists in the streets doing fealty checks on people just minding their own business and accosting parishioners in church services/mass.

I guess I should have said REAL leadership

Duly noted

 

[ShadowRun]

They can try... and a person can assert their 4th and 5th Amendment Rights. If they violated those rights, that person can now sue the shit out of them. Everyone has a phone, and it's all being recorded, so this will be corrected if they line step.

You should block that worthless retard, the retards gives zero value on SD

 

[SurferH2O]

I guess I should have said REAL leadership

Duly noted

You have a good point.

 

[SurferH2O]

It's too cold outside for the protestors... so they are fucking up indoor establishments with their bullshit.



Crazy libs in Edina, Minnesota, went and bought tons of salt just to return it to protest ICE.Annoying random workers to stick it to the man lol

Does anyone notice something about those protestors? What they all have in common.

Older, Single, White women need mental healthcare counseling.

 

[b34stmode]

Did this kid have a right to shoot the ICE agent who literally ran him over?

 

[oldshadow]

Yeah anytime you are exposed as a giant hypocrite you should beat up the person exposing you. Jesus would be proud of them for beating up the protesters.
It’s like MAGA Christians have not even read the BIBle and use their Christianity only as a victim card when it’s useful.

Its like liberals have no idea what's in the Bible. Nothing say you need to support people breaking the law, it says jut the opposite. Especially the Bible doesn't support allowing or helping people that want to destroy your religion.