The economy was 1A and immigration was 1B. You're downplaying the effect that Biden's disastrous immigration policies had. And the culture war (trans stuff, etc) was 3rd.
There was a poll posted here showing this after the election. Economy and immigration was not far apart in most important issues.
The economy was 1A and immigration was 1B. You're downplaying the effect that Biden's disastrous immigration policies had. And the culture war (trans stuff, etc) was 3rd.
There was a poll posted here showing this after the election. Economy and immigration was not far apart in most important issues.
Wtf? Of course they lost for being too woke. Open borders isn’t woke? lol
Then putting millions of people up in rooms on tax money cause they created a humanitarian crisis by that woke “good intentioned” short sighted, and reckless bullshit. And all while lying their ass off that there wasn’t a problem at the borders.
I’m quoting both of you because
@UberHere actually makes a point that’s worth discussing, which I’ll get to at the end. This will probably make my post longer than I intended, so apologies for that.
To me, culture war issues are issues usually about the rights of marginalized or minority groups: women’s rights/fair pay/abortion access, diversity initiatives (which again largely help women but also minority groups), gay rights, trans rights, things like that. Although I suppose you could lump guns in there. I would assume
@Hog-train sees it the same way based on how he phrased his posts above.
Despite the messaging from the Right, those things were not big issues for Trump voters. In most exit polls, the economy, state of democracy, immigration, and foreign policy all ranked higher than any culture war issue (I noticed some right wing exit polls didn’t even include the “state of democracy” choice). Things like gay rights or trans rights tended to rank very low. The idea that we lost because we’re extreme in those regards is just nonsense.
So, no—I wasn’t downplaying the role of immigration as an issue, I even mentioned it specifically. I just don’t consider it a culture war issue just as
@Hog-train didn’t seem to in his post above.
If by “you lost because you’re so extreme and woke and culture war and blah blah” you just mean people didn’t like Biden’s immigration policies, then ok I guess. All the other (actual) culture war stuff did not rank highly, and to act like we lost the election because of that is dishonest.
—People who voted for Trump overwhelmingly did so because they thought he’d be better on the economy—and they were tragically wrong.
—Even amongst those who voted for him because of immigration, Trump is getting pushback from those naive souls who actually thought he was going to prioritize dangerous criminals and not just do a bunch of oppressive shit.
Education and immigration I have always viewed as policy disagreements, not culture war issues—but after reflecting on what
@UberHere said, I’d say that conservatives are certainly trying to make them culture war issues with their book bans, restrictive laws that aim to discriminate against minorities, stupid “indoctrination” accusations, trying to siphon tax dollars away from public education with bullshit voucher programs, and the like where education is concerned; and racist CTs (“Great Replacement”) scapegoating of immigrants, violations of civil rights and so forth where immigration is concerned.
So I can agree that these two areas are sadly becoming culture war issues.
Now the accusation that we “lied our ass off that there wasn’t a problem at the border” is just complete nonsense. Even Biden admitted it was a problem; prominent Dems like Mark Kelly criticized Biden for it; and many Dems stressed the fact that executive actions are insufficient often temporary, and we reached across the aisle to craft a bipartisan bill to address several border issues, and Republicans wouldn’t do dick about it. In fact, some were on record stating that they wouldn’t do anything about the border until a Republican was elected president.
