Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

[cottagecheesefan]

lol wtf? The defense reflex is wild.

I'm not saying "Trump is fucking his own policies", I'm saying it's common ground for all. I'm saying if we implement this policy, then I think there is a silver lining to what might be an otherwise debatable ethical position (in a vacuum) by also exposing white nationalist rallies who, in my opinion, are a common example of masking at rallies.

You're telling me those groups don't mask but that's clearly bullshit. I don't know which group is which bc im not a white nationalist expert, but I know some protested last week in Kansas City, which is why it's fresh on my mind. Unless you're telling me every single one of these dudes is a Federal Employee (assuming that's what Fed is in your statement)?

Those people shouldn’t be allowed to mask. If they aren’t allowed to, they would immediately stop.

Not all, but i do believe there are federal employees in this group, along with assets. Similar to the plot to kidnap whitmer, where the majority of the conspirators were FBi agents or assets, and entrap idiots to make a narrative about far-right extremism

 

[deviake]

lol no you can manipulate ChatGPT to be bias easily . Even have it leak SSN’s. It all depends on what what you ask and how you ask it things .

I never made a value judgement about it, was just curious. I'm aware of its limitations.

Looks like one of those personality quizzes, Meyers-Briggs and the like, but the LLM version. Interesting, regardless

 

[Soggust]

Those people shouldn’t be allowed to mask. If they aren’t allowed to, they would immediately stop.

I don't know if I'm ready to commit to the idea of banning masks at protests as a whole, but I do agree that it would reduce the number of people who were doing this (and likewise the violent ICE protesters, e.g.). I think, in general, people are a bit less inclined to take extremist positions if they have to face accountability for it.

Whether or not that's a good thing feels like the free speech vs safety argument the internet has had for decades. Feels like the world as a whole is straying away from privacy (in all aspects of life), so this isn't super surprising to me.

 

[Kingz]

lol wtf? The defense reflex is wild.

I'm not saying "Trump is fucking his own policies", I'm saying it's common ground for all. I'm saying if we implement this policy, then I think there is a silver lining to what might be an otherwise debatable ethical position (in a vacuum) by also exposing white nationalist rallies who, in my opinion, are a common example of masking at rallies.

You're telling me those groups don't mask but that's clearly bullshit. I don't know which group is which bc im not a white nationalist expert, but I know some protested last week in Kansas City, which is why it's fresh on my mind. Unless you're telling me every single one of these dudes is a Federal Employee (assuming that's what Fed is in your statement)?

That would be precisely who I’m talking about. Patriot Front. That Kansas City thing was the first peep I’ve heard about them since Patel took over the FBI. I guess whoever is in charge of that operation hasn’t been fired yet. Maybe their function is beyond my head and Patel wants them. Or perhaps it’s CIA. But only lefties believe they aren’t Feds.

Every month they would march on a new left wing city with coordinated media coverage in tow. And all of their major “disruptions” or “attacks” always happened to be foiled before they happen with no information released on who was arrested.

And during their arrests they still have the coverings on lol

Will certainly be used by republicans in 2026. Same with this

It is a shame. Because policies of the CA politicians are a failure causing American citizens to flee. However, the amount of Americans fleeing from their policies are outnumbered by the number of immigrants that came to California. From 23-24, about 250k citizens left the state, but 350k immigrants entered.

They need to get them all out before the 2030 census, so California loses congressional districts. Congress should pass a law that illegals shouldn’t count, but no way it would pass

Democrats are allergic to good optics. You would think ActBlue would say “don’t wave a foreign flag on the wreckage” you’re causing but the taunt seems to be the point. But they’re miscalculating. Again

 

[Soggust]

That would be precisely who I’m talking about. Patriot Front. That Kansas City thing was the first peep I’ve heard about them since Patel took over the FBI. I guess whoever is in charge of that operation hasn’t been fired yet. Or perhaps it’s CIA. But only lefties believe they aren’t Feds.

Every month they would march on a new left wing city with coordinated media coverage in tow. And all of their major “disruptions” or “attacks” always happened to be foiled before they happen with no information released on who was arrested.

Wait, asking honestly no judgement -> You're telling me that these protesters are democratic/lefist/whatever feds? Like a false flag operation to rile up people against the right/republicans/whatever? They can't just be some dumbass extremists who don't represent the majority of the right wing?

I don't want to derail the thread (any more than I already have) by debating the merit of that, but even assuming that was true - this feels like both parties should be excited at the prospect of exposing these people.

Again - doesn't make it theoretically correct or wrong in a vacuum, but this one isolated example feels like common ground.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

A thread full of advocating to beat, shoot, kill, and/or deport unarmed American citizens because of protests...yeah that's on brand

 

[HereticBD]

A thread full of advocating to beat, shoot, kill, and/or deport un armed American citizens because of protests...yeah that's on brand

"Protests"..

 

[cottagecheesefan]

I don't know if I'm ready to commit to the idea of banning masks at protests as a whole, but I do agree that it would reduce the number of people who were doing this (and likewise the violent ICE protesters, e.g.). I think, in general, people are a bit less inclined to take extremist positions if they have to face accountability for it.

Whether or not that's a good thing feels like the free speech vs safety argument the internet has had for decades. Feels like the world as a whole is straying away from privacy (in all aspects of life), so this isn't super surprising to me.

I think it would be a good thing overall, but yea, I don’t think Trump can order it. Saw a discussion on Twitter about it, would be a state law. FL has a law against wearing masks at protests, I think it is the only state with it, from what I read

As for your other post just now, even if they are all far right zealots, I would want them exposed, or at least afraid to cosplay in public like that. Regardless of if they are a false flag or legit, they are embarrassing and do nothing positive

 

[KnightTemplar]

So has the Second War of Northern Aggression kicked off yet? Because I bought lots of extra beer and hotdogs, and I don't want them to go to waste.

 

[deviake]

Those people shouldn’t be allowed to mask. If they aren’t allowed to, they would immediately stop.

I agree. It's ridiculous that ICE can mask and not identify themselves and keeps illegally snatching people up without warrants. If the police and FBI can't conceal their identity, why should ICE - a despotic and seemingly unaccountable organization - be able to? It has only existed for a couple decades anyway.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I never made a value judgement about it, was just curious. I'm aware of its limitations.

Looks like one of those personality quizzes, Meyers-Briggs and the like, but the LLM version. Interesting, regardless

I always score as INTJ on the Meyers-Briggs Test. Of course, opinions among professionals vary greatly as to it's validity.

 

[Crazy Source]

A thread full of advocating to beat, shoot, kill, and/or deport unarmed American citizens because of protests...yeah that's on brand

And strip them of Constitutional rights. The right is full-blown authoritarian at this point.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

who's paying the "protesters"?
still some money in those democrat coffers i see.

 

[Kingz]

Wait, asking honestly no judgement -> You're telling me that these protesters are democratic/lefist/whatever feds? Like a false flag operation to rile up people against the right/republicans/whatever? They can't just be some dumbass extremists who don't represent the majority of the right wing?

I don't want to derail the thread (any more than I already have) by debating the merit of that, but even assuming that was true - this feels like both parties should be excited at the prospect of exposing these people.

Again - doesn't make it theoretically correct or wrong in a vacuum, but this one isolated example feels like common ground.

I dont know how it’s really enforceable. I guess if there is a bad face coverings to non face coverings ratio they automatically break up the protest? But doesn’t seem practical or legal.

Though face coverings do mostly imply or lead to criminal activity or an in case.

I don’t think in LA those that don’t intend to commit crime would wear a mask because they fear their speech would lead to consequences in the daily life. Which I’m sure a white nationalist might even if their rallies are non-violent.

I would say if there is too many masked people at a protest, then it gets heightened security from law enforcement with the assumption that a riot is planned to better tackle it early. I’d imagine that’s the standard but many jurisdictions want to give them “space to destroy”

But overall, a ban on masks at protests is untenable.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

I agree. It's ridiculous that ICE can mask and not identify themselves and keeps illegally snatching people up without warrants. If the police and FBI can't conceal their identity, why should ICE - a despotic and seemingly unaccountable organization - be able to? It has only existed for a couple decades anyway.

? FBI and cops wear masks all the time during raids.

 

[Soggust]

If the police and FBI can't conceal their identity

Is this true?

I'm not calling you wrong, but I'm thinking SWAT teams etc commonly wear masks? I think you just need one person who is identifiable as law enforcement, right?

Again - asking not correcting lol

 

[Kingz]

who's paying the "protesters"?
still some money in those democrat coffers i see.

Unfortunately. Im paying them.

Me and other California tax payers

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Unfortunately. Im paying them.

Me and other California tax payers

Man, the infestation is deeeeeep.

 

[Soggust]

I dont know how it’s really enforceable. I guess if there is a bad face coverings to non face coverings ratio they automatically break up the protest? But doesn’t seem practical or legal.

Though face coverings do mostly imply or lead to criminal activity or an in case.

I don’t think in LA those that don’t intend to commit crime would wear a mask because they fear their speech would lead to consequences in the daily life. Which I’m sure a white nationalist might even if their rallies are non-violent.

I would say if there is too many masked people at a protest, then it gets heightened security from law enforcement with the assumption that a riot is planned to better tackle it early. I’d imagine that’s the standard but many jurisdictions want to give them “space to destroy”

But overall, a ban on masks at protests is untenable.

Would they not just arrest someone they see wearing a mask, who is in the vicinity or actively protesting in some way (sign, yelling, etc)?

Or maybe they kinda tack it on as an additional charge that they bring against a guy who is throwing rocks or whatever?

But I agree it's going to be subjective and contentious, most likely.

 

[deviake]

Is this true?

I'm not calling you wrong, but I'm thinking SWAT teams etc commonly wear masks? I think you just need one person who is identifiable as law enforcement, right?

Again - asking not correcting lol

You're correct. And the FBI conceals their identity under some circumstances too, undercover cops as well of course. I'm referring to when they're uniformed, in public.