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[SKYNET]

I assumed we were talking more recently than the last 30-40 years. Yes things have clearly changed since then and women have more options now and a lot of them are choosing the career option which they should have a right to do if that's what they want.

I'm not arguing whether they have the right to do anything, just clearing up your mischaracterization of Koros core point, which you seem to agree with

 

[Koro_11]

Sure but that's ultimately feelings.

It’s not just feelings I already explained to you how it’s something we’ve adapted that has evolutionarily benefits.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I'm not arguing whether they have the right to do anything, just clearing up your mischaracterization of Koros core point, which you seem to agree with

The argument is about whether it's fair or not, not whether it's a thing or not. I'm not arguing that it's not a thing.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

It’s not just feelings I already explained to you how it’s something we’ve adapted that has evolutionarily benefits.

But not something that has evolutionary benefits now? Surely you can at least admit that?

 

[Satur9]

I see it with my son and the young guys around 20-25. They are looking for import girls as the American girls are too Woke for them. My son really likes the Latinas... who can blame him? I told him when the Russia / Ukraine War, they'll have a lot of women to choose from and the Americans can be ugly woke cat ladies that vote Democrat, but at least they won't reproduce.

My middle son is looking to go and do something similar. Told him to wait though. He is too young to be completely jaded, and he might not need to go to such extremes to find someone suitable here at home.

 

[Koro_11]

But not something that has evolutionary benefits now? Surely you can at least admit that?

That’s like saying there is no evolutionary benefits to women wanting a strong, masculine man because we have Police and law annd order and they don’t need to be protected by their men. Yet that’s still what women want.

 

[SKYNET]

Calling bullshit on that my brother. Plenty of dudes throw away a stable relationship with a wife and kids for a younger model who they then don't always have kids with when their future was already secure and infact becomes less secure because of the decisions they make.

BS huh? "Plenty of dudes"

Are you claiming this is the majority of wealthy men? My point was about "financially stable men" ie high 6 figures minimum.

Which correlates with the majority of young females in their 20's (regardless of looks) who overwhelmingly list finance (high 6 figures +) as the most common trait they look for in a companion.

 

[SKYNET]

The argument is about whether it's fair or not, not whether it's a thing or not. I'm not arguing that it's not a thing.

What is fair then? A woman waits until her mid 30's after shes done running through her black book and then wanting to settle down with only the wealthiest men available and only have minimum amount of years left to raise a family? Why would a man in that postion not choose younger companions in that case?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

That’s like saying there is no evolutionary benefits to women wanting a strong, masculine man because we have Police and law annd order and they don’t need to be protected by their men. Yet that’s still what women want.

No it isn't. Being masculine doesn't mean you have to sleep around.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

BS huh? "Plenty of dudes"

Are you claiming this is the majority of wealthy men? My point was about "financially stable men" ie high 6 figures minimum.

Which correlates with the majority of young females in their 20's (regardless of looks) who overwhelmingly list finance (high 6 figures +) as the most common trait they look for in a companion.

I think you're looking at some bullshit studies tbh. Yes golddiggers exist but I don't think the majority of women are golddiggers, just as the majority of wealthy men don't leave their spouses but the ones that do can find a golddigger because both those things exist.

As a general rule if you look at couples in public you'll see that in the vast majority of cases they're roughly equal looks wise more than anything else. Attractive people are attracted to other attractive people.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

What is fair then? A woman waits until her mid 30's after shes done running through her black book and then wanting to settle down with only the wealthiest men available and only have minimum amount of years left to raise a family? Why would a man in that postion not choose younger companions in that case?

Fair would be calling men and women who are promiscuous promiscuous and not making it out to be a good quality in men and a bad quality in women when you should see it as either a good or bad quality in both (personally I see it as a bad quality in both).

 

[Koro_11]

No it isn't. Being masculine doesn't mean you have to sleep around.

I didn’t say it means that, I’m saying men and women are different and are held to different standards and different expectations in different things.

No decent guy wants a woman who has slept with a lot of men, that’s just a fact. Meanwhile, that is very rarely a disqualifying factor the other way around, women actually prefer a guy with some experience and if anything it elevates his status.

Same with income, 99% of men don’t give a shit how much a woman earns, while women on the other hand would seldom date a guy who makes less than they do.

Men and women are different, and they expect different things from each other.

 

[SKYNET]

I don't think the majority of women are golddiggers

Difference between gold diggers and hypergamy is where you are failing to see my point.

A gold digger and women selecting a partner with higher economic status than where they are currently are two entirely different things.

Men are turned off by high body counts. Women will look past a high body count if it offers an advantage in their quality of life

Women have no issue hooking up with a guy with several ex-wives so long as he can provide. Men who are financially stable will always choose a younger woman, for obvious reasons.

 

[Crazy Source]

No it isn't. Being masculine doesn't mean you have to sleep around.

I've slept around the most in my most insecure periods of life. It validated me, although the feeling was fleeting. It was some of the most unhealthy times, mentally, of my life.

 

[SKYNET]

Fair would be calling men and women who are promiscuous promiscuous and not making it out to be a good quality in men and a bad quality in women when you should see it as either a good or bad quality in both (personally I see it as a bad quality in both).

You glossed over my point for what? I never said its a good quality for a man lol

I said women will look past it if it means she has access to a more stable economic situation. That is not saying its ok for men to be sluts. That says the stigma only hurts one more than the other

 

[Satur9]

I didn’t say it means that, I’m saying men and women are different and are held to different standards and different expectations in different things.

No decent guy wants a woman who has slept with a lot of men, that’s just a fact. Meanwhile, that is very rarely a disqualifying factor the other way around, women actually prefer a guy with some experience and if anything it elevates his status.

Same with income, 99% of men don’t give a shit how much a woman earns, while women on the other hand would seldom date a guy who makes less than they do.

Men and women are different, and they expect different things from each other.

I think that is the clarifying statement. It's(promiscuity) not good for either, but, one side doesn't care about it nearly as much. So why should I be upset for them?? That doesn't make sense.

It absolutely has great negative effects for both sides. I know that for a fact. Guys might not show it immediately, but it does when you notice those man-whores cannot hold down a stable relationship and constantly view females as less than.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Difference between gold diggers and hypergamy is where you are failing to see my point.

A gold digger and women selecting a partner with higher economic status than where they are currently are two entirely different things.

Men are turned off by high body counts. Women will look past a high body count if it offers an advantage in their quality of life

Women have no issue hooking up with a guy with several ex-wives so long as he can provide. Men who are financially stable will always choose a younger woman, for obvious reasons.

I understand the reasons. The question is is it fair or not? Is it part of the reason why men are whinging and moaning about how difficult it is out there nowadays?

If it is difficult out there nowadays then surely the dudes sleeping with multiple women are a large part of the problem?

 

[Koro_11]

Fair would be calling men and women who are promiscuous promiscuous and not making it out to be a good quality in men and a bad quality in women when you should see it as either a good or bad quality in both (personally I see it as a bad quality in both).

So then by your logic fair would be men and women taking turns confronting the burglar downstairs instead of it always being men, right?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

You glossed over my point for what? I never said its a good quality for a man lol

I said women will look past it if it means she has access to a more stable economic situation. That is not saying its ok for men to be sluts. That says the stigma only hurts one more than the other

You asked what was fair and I answered what I think is fair.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

So then by your logic fair would be men and women taking turns confronting the burglar downstairs instead of it always being men, right?

No because a man has a physical advantage in that situation compared to a woman.

However if they had a gun then I would say it'd be fair for either one to go, sure.