Social How a Gen Z gender divide is reshaping democracy

[Satur9]

I was being sarcastic. Threads like these are filled with misogyny. Some veiled, some blatant. It makes sense since threads like these are fueled by the manosphere and that sector sells misogyny.

Ah ok.

I definitely see what you mean. Many guys who try to explain what they feel and see happening now, do it in a way that is unhealthy. They see what they view as unfair treatment, and they want the other side to suffer for it, instead of trying to fix the actual issue. I truly don't wish any side to suffer. Most of my family are women, and most of them are great people. Why would I wish them to suffer, ya know?

 

[cooks1]

As a father of sons, I see the divide in real time. It is sad and funny. The youngins coming up now don't know which way up is, or what a woman is. It is absolutely hilarious to see in a completely depressing way. One is told to do whatever they want and nobody should judge, and the other is told how to act, and they will always be judged.

Good times for all.

I guess I see the other side as a father of 2 very beautiful daughters. I think the root of this issue is that men are being forced to adapt. And these adaptations will be painful, and will not take place without complaint.

The first thing men need to recognize (which we largely still haven't yet) is that the 'good ole days' were not really that good for women. I know that's not a popular thing to say, but they really weren't. The 'good ole days' for women were merely the 'better than the alternative' days.

The 2nd thing men need to come to terms with is that the 'good ole days' are OVER. Now that women have pretty much equal educational and work opportunities, men will need to find other ways to add value besides 'putting a roof over their head'. For much of last 30 years or so, women were largely simultaneously working and maintaining their 'traditional' gender roles. But they have now fully realized this is not necessary or fair.

There are ways for men to navigate this without becoming cuckholds. But bitching and moaning are not among them, and are simultaneously about the least 'masculine' things a fella can do.

It's my belief we are entering a more 'bespoke' period of male/female interaction. Everything in a relationship will be up for negotiation. Women and men will need to be much more clear about what they want, what they are willing to offer.

 

[RoastBeast]

I feel bad for dudes who have to navigate dating a pool of women who have all in some way or another been manipulated by social media and dating sites into thinking they're special for no real reason at all other than being female and the center of a bunch of dudes constantly trying to have sex with them.

It goes for both sides though. Guys treat dating apps like a sex menu so women get jaded over that as well. They also lie out their asses to try and get laid.

What's hilarious to see and I've not only had it happen to me but I see it happening to multiple friends, is you get an actual good guy who is looking for a good girl to start a real relationship with and all you're met with is narcissism, lazy and dry communication and women always chasing after the grass being greener. It's difficult for women to form bonds when they have a thing in their pocket that instantaneously gives them access to hundreds of available men at any moment of the day. That's not a natural thing for a human to deal with.

 

[Koro_11]

Women have been slut shamed for years and men have never been shamed for sleeping with multiple partners. That's something I've always felt was genuinely unfair between how the sexes are perceived.

LOL @ "unfair".

Men have been getting killed in wars at a ratio of about 10 to 1 in comparison to women, is that fair?

Maybe men and women are just very different and what is acceptable or accepted of one is not the case for the other, and the unfairness goes both ways.

This idiotic mentality that men and women have to be indistinguishable in every way is exactly at the root of what's wrong with male/female relationships today.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I guess I see the other side as a father of 2 very beautiful daughters. I think the root of this issue is that men are being forced to adapt. And these adaptations will be painful, and will not take place without complaint.

The first thing men need to recognize (which we largely still haven't yet) is that the 'good ole days' were not really that good for women. I know that's not a popular thing to say, but they really weren't. The 'good ole days' for women were merely the 'better than the alternative' days.

The 2nd thing men need to come to terms with is that the 'good ole days' are OVER. Now that women have pretty much equal educational and work opportunities, men will need to find other ways to add value besides 'putting a roof over their head'. For much of last 30 years or so, women were largely simultaneously working and maintaining their 'traditional' gender roles. But they have now fully realized this is not necessary or fair.

There are ways for men to navigate this without becoming cuckholds. But bitching and moaning are not among them, and are simultaneously about the least 'masculine' things a fella can do.

It's my belief we are entering a more 'bespoke' period of male/female interaction. Everything in a relationship will be up for negotiation. Women and men will need to be much more clear about what they want, what they are willing to offer.

Exactly, as a father the last partner I want for my daughter is some random whiny bitch who thinks it's hard to be a man nowadays.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

LOL @ "unfair".

Men have been getting killed in wars at a ratio of about 10 to 1 in comparison to women, is that fair?

Maybe men and women are just very different and what is acceptable or accepted of one is not the case for the other, and the unfairness goes both ways.

This idiotic mentality that men and women have to be indistinguishable in every way is exactly at the root of what's wrong with male/female relationships today.

What the fuck does that have to do with slut shaming?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I feel bad for dudes who have to navigate dating a pool of women who have all in some way or another been manipulated by social media and dating sites into thinking they're special for no real reason at all other than being female and the center of a bunch of dudes constantly trying to have sex with them.

It goes for both sides though. Guys treat dating apps like a sex menu so women get jaded over that as well. They also lie out their asses to try and get laid.

What's hilarious to see and I've not only had it happen to me but I see it happening to multiple friends, is you get an actual good guy who is looking for a good girl to start a real relationship with and all you're met with is narcissism, lazy and dry communication and women always chasing after the grass being greener. It's difficult for women to form bonds when they have a thing in their pocket that instantaneously gives them access to hundreds of available men at any moment of the day. That's not a natural thing for a human to deal with.

Again I think this is kind of overplayed. The majority of attractive women I know have partners. Some less attractive ones don't but I put that more down to unatractive men thinking they're entitled to an attractive woman than anything else.

 

[Satur9]

I guess I see the other side as a father of 2 very beautiful daughters. I think the root of this issue is that men are being forced to adapt. And these adaptations will be painful, and will not take place without complaint.

The first thing men need to recognize (which we largely still haven't yet) is that the 'good ole days' were not really that good for women. I know that's not a popular thing to say, but they really weren't. The 'good ole days' for women were merely the 'better than the alternative' days.

The 2nd thing men need to come to terms with is that the 'good ole days' are OVER. Now that women have pretty much equal educational and work opportunities, men will need to find other ways to add value besides 'putting a roof over their head'. For much of last 30 years or so, women were largely simultaneously working and maintaining their 'traditional' gender roles. But they have now fully realized this is not necessary or fair.

There are ways for men to navigate this without becoming cuckholds. But bitching and moaning are not among them, and are simultaneously about the least 'masculine' things a fella can do.

It's my belief we are entering a more 'bespoke' period of male/female interaction. Everything in a relationship will be up for negotiation. Women and men will need to be much more clear about what they want, what they are willing to offer.

Lot of truth here. Those times had pros and cons for both, with many cons for ladies, and they are never coming back. I am fine with that.

If we all just want to do away with any relationship norms, I am cool with that too. Just don't expect men to pay or protect when women do not have anything worth paying for or protecting. Or whatever the gals consider the reverse to be. No roles, only little agreements everywhere. That way everyone just does whatever they want, and let the cards fall where they may. Seems a fair solution for most folks.

 

[White Whale]

I thought Asian countries had strict immigration policies?

 

[Koro_11]

What the fuck does that have to do with slut shaming?

Are you illiterate?

You said it's "not fair" that women get shamed if they sleep around and men don't.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Are you illiterate?

You said it's "not fair" that women get shamed if they sleep around and men don't.

Yes and it isn't. I just don't see why you're comparing that to going to war. That's quite the segway.

 

[Koro_11]

Yes and it isn't. I just don't see why you're comparing that to going to war. That's quite the segway.

Do you want fairness across the board, or only when it comes to promiscuity?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Do you want fairness across the board, or only when it comes to promiscuity?

Well you look at things individually. That's what should be an equal thing that you can easily judge both sexes the same on.

 

[Koro_11]

Well you look at things individually. That's what should be an equal thing that you can easily judge both sexes the same on.

Why should that be equal?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Why should that be equal?

Because it's the same act and in order for men to rack up numbers of women to sleep with them they need women to sleep with. Literally can't have studs without sluts.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I agree it exists but where I disagree is how common it is. How many people do you actually know in real life who are like that? I don't think I know any.

Too many of these morons live on the internet and think these 1 in 10 million instances are actual social problems.

Months ago, there was a thread in Mayberry where gym culture and working out was being discussed. A few dudes started complaining that you can't even go to the gym anymore because of all the women filming themselves and harassing you if you get in their shot or if you even glance at them.

Then actual gym goers brought up the fact that that's actually never happened in their experience. Like, not once.

Unsurprisingly, the complainers quickly STFU.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Too many of these morons live on the internet and think these 1 in 10 million instances are actual social problems.

Months ago, there was a thread in Mayberry where gym culture and working out was being discussed. A few dudes started complaining that you can't even go to the gym anymore because of all the women filming themselves and harassing you if you get in their shot or if you even glance at them.

Then actual gym goers brought up the fact that that's actually never happened in their experience. Like, not once.

Unsurprisingly, the complainers quickly STFU.

I actually see more dudes filming their workouts than women when I go tbh.

 

[Koro_11]

Because it's the same act and in order for men to rack up numbers of women to sleep with them they need women to sleep with. Literally can't have studs without sluts.

Of course we need sluts, just as we need prostitutes. But expecting people to shame men for having a lot of sexual partners in the same way as one would shame a woman is ridiculous, women are held to a highers standards when it comes to that and for good reason.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Social media is fucking things up. It's stunting the emotional growth of young people of both sexes, and it's fucking up adults in giving them a distorted view of reality.

True, but it's far from equal.

Girls are soooo empowered now they have almost 3 times higher rates of depression than boys.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Of course we need sluts, just as we need prostitutes. But expecting people to shame men for having a lot of sexual partners in the same way as one would shame a woman is ridiculous, women are held to a highers standards when it comes to that and for good reason.

What's the good reason?