HEAVYWEIGHT COACH (why the average coach shouldn't be training heavy weights)

[-guerilla-]

 

[monkeyrhythm]

If you were hiring coaches for a heavyweight athlete and you had one applicant that was a bantamweight and promised you he was experienced coaching heavyweights and had another applicant there was a heavyweight himself and had the exact same resume as the batemweight which one would you pick to coach your heavyweight athletes??

Just like when I'm interviewing people for a job I would design my evaluation criteria to extend far beyond their resume.
I'd ask a number of questions, including but not limited to:
How do you evaluate the individual training needs of an athlete?
What approaches have you had success with in the past?
What challenges have you overcome?
Do you have any examples where strategies have worked with one athlete but not with another similar athlete?
How do you feel about running for cardio in fight sports...
etc.

I wouldn't structure it formally; it would really be a conversation. Within that conversation I'd be trying to understand their approach, whether we're on the same page in some key areas and fundamentally whether they know what they're doing, and if I feel they'd be a good fit. All of this is much more important than how much they weigh, and having an unjustifiably heavily weighted anchor-point (such as their weight) will leave me exposed to choosing the wrong candidate.

 

[William Huggins]

At it again......... You should check him out in the standup form.........

 

[-guerilla-]

Just like when I'm interviewing people for a job I would design my evaluation criteria to extend far beyond their resume.
I'd ask a number of questions, including but not limited to:
How do you evaluate the individual training needs of an athlete?
What approaches have you had success with in the past?
What challenges have you overcome?
Do you have any examples where strategies have worked with one athlete but not with another similar athlete?
How do you feel about running for cardio in fight sports...
etc.

I wouldn't structure it formally; it would really be a conversation. Within that conversation I'd be trying to understand their approach, whether we're on the same page in some key areas and fundamentally whether they know what they're doing, and if I feel they'd be a good fit. All of this is much more important than how much they weigh, and having an unjustifiably heavily weighted anchor-point (such as their weight) will leave me exposed to choosing the wrong candidate.

I'm not saying Id take a fat janitor over a Bantamweight champion for my heavyweight specialist coach...I'm saying if all things were equal you would be wise to go with the heavyweight coach because they are more likely to understand all the intricacies associated with this unique weight class since I would know they have actually experienced them as a heavyweight competitor

sounds like you don't know crap about coaching combat sports... especially heavyweight Combat Sports

# runs for "cardio"

 

[-guerilla-]

Just like when I'm interviewing people for a job I would design my evaluation criteria to extend far beyond their resume.
I'd ask a number of questions, including but not limited to:
How do you evaluate the individual training needs of an athlete?
What approaches have you had success with in the past?
What challenges have you overcome?
Do you have any examples where strategies have worked with one athlete but not with another similar athlete?
How do you feel about running for cardio in fight sports...
etc.

I wouldn't structure it formally; it would really be a conversation. Within that conversation I'd be trying to understand their approach, whether we're on the same page in some key areas and fundamentally whether they know what they're doing, and if I feel they'd be a good fit. All of this is much more important than how much they weigh, and having an unjustifiably heavily weighted anchor-point (such as their weight) will leave me exposed to choosing the wrong candidate.

I'm not saying Id take a fat janitor over a Bantamweight champion for my heavyweight specialist coach...I'm saying if all things were equal you would be wise to go with the heavyweight coach because they are more likely to understand all the intricacies associated with this unique weight class since I would know they have actually experienced them as a heavyweight competitor

sounds like you don't know crap about coaching combat sports... especially heavyweight Combat Sports

# runs for "cardio"

combat sports are Rife with mythology Superstition and misunderstandings... just because your Heroes did something and were successful at a sport doesn't mean it's the intelligent approach scientifically

movies like Rocky are a great example of how fight sport mythology become general practice and the lack of scientific understanding still persist to this day

https://www.joe.co.uk/entertainment/rocky-raw-eggs-science-213115

 

[monkeyrhythm]

I'm not saying Id take a fat janitor over a Bantamweight champion for my heavyweight specialist coach...I'm saying if all things were equal you would be wise to go with the heavyweight coach because they are more likely to understand all the intricacies associated with this unique weight class since I would know they have actually experienced them as a heavyweight competitor

sounds like you don't know crap about coaching combat sports... especially heavyweight Combat Sports

# runs for "cardio"

combat sports are Rife with mythology Superstition and misunderstandings... just because your Heroes did something and were successful at a sport doesn't mean it's the intelligent approach scientifically

movies like Rocky are a great example of how fight sport mythology become general practice and the lack of scientific understanding still persist to this day

https://www.joe.co.uk/entertainment/rocky-raw-eggs-science-213115

All things are never equal to that degree. Sounds like you know crap about real life.

You also seem to be confusing words like "scientifically", "statistically" and "logically" for your brand of common sense.

"Just because your heavyweight coaches did something and were successful at a sport doesn't mean it's the intelligent approach scientifically"

 

[-guerilla-]

All things are never equal to that degree. Sounds like you know crap about real life.

You also seem to be confusing words like "scientifically", "statistically" and "logically" for your brand of common sense.

"Just because your heavyweight coaches did something and were successful at a sport doesn't mean it's the intelligent approach scientifically"

The walls are closing in....

In a scientific approach we analyze variables and controls

We establish all factors as either a variable or a control

If all factors are equal the heavyweight coach has an edege on a smaller man who has "learned" what they "think" is "everything" about coaching heavyweights

Like i said its better to have a horse specialist rather than a regular vet taking care of your horse...

* not a horse who is a veterinarian



One of us is a professional heavyweight combat sports coach

# not u

 

[monkeyrhythm]

The walls are closing in....

In a scientific approach we analyze variables and controls

We establish all factors as either a variable or a control

If all factors are equal the heavyweight coach has an edege on a smaller man who has "learned" what they "think" is "everything" about coaching heavyweights

Like i said its better to have a horse specialist rather than a regular vet taking care of your horse...

* not a horse who is a veterinarian

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One of us is a professional heavyweight combat sports coach

# not u

That's my point kemosabe, all factors are never equal. Not in a complex system anyway.
Is the base of knowledge required to effectively coach a heavyweight fighter simple or complex?

 

[TheeFaulted]

This thread is such a ridiculous dumpster fire.

 

[JauntyAngle]

Why are people engaging with this guy? After the first few posts it was pretty obvious there's no point.

 

[monkeyrhythm]

Why are people engaging with this guy? After the first few posts it was pretty obvious there's no point.

I feel like I'm learning something about some aspect of human nature, I'm just not sure what...?

 

[j-boxing]

Why are people engaging with this guy? After the first few posts it was pretty obvious there's no point.

In my case, a naive and delusional commitment to the power of reason, with just a pinch of trolling for entertainment.

We all need to believe in something.

I feel like I'm learning something about some aspect of human nature, I'm just not sure what...?

You don't want to know.

This thread is such a ridiculous dumpster fire.

Yes. No more posts to fuel the fire. Let it die the death it deserves.

 

[-guerilla-]

That's my point kemosabe, all factors are never equal. Not in a complex system anyway.
Is the base of knowledge required to effectively coach a heavyweight fighter simple or complex?

They are very complex

Thats the reason in an optimized situation you will have specialist coaches

heavyweights are a perfect example of a situation where a specialist is certainly advisable

Its a pretty simple concept

If you have an investment in something its interesting to study the science

Shame im the only one presenting it here

Heavyweight combat athletes have unique requirements

Only another heavyweight is likely to understand all the subtleties involved

This is a question for the scientific mind

Shouldn't you be posting pictures of funny animals instead??

 

[-guerilla-]

Why are people engaging with this guy? After the first few posts it was pretty obvious there's no point.

This question is about sports science

Looks like your kinda popular around here

You know anything about sports science??

 

[-guerilla-]

This thread is such a ridiculous dumpster fire.

"Dumpster fire"

You "come up with that one"?

#dont know science

 

[TheeFaulted]

#hastagshowdotheywork?

 

[nefti]

#hastagshowdotheywork?

Magnets? How do they work?

 

[wufabufa]

Do you guys wear hats when watching MMA? I have a kewl baseball cap ready to wear for UFC 245.

 

[nefti]

Do you guys wear hats when watching MMA? I have a kewl baseball cap ready to wear for UFC 245.

Baseball caps are for nooooooobs
Real gangsters wear beanies

 

[JauntyAngle]

Do you guys wear hats when watching MMA? I have a kewl baseball cap ready to wear for UFC 245.

Actually, I never thought about that.

An old buddy of mine used to wear a sweatband (for the head) when we watched WWE PPVs and I have to say he absolutely killed it. I really should have taken that as a sign that I needed to look into the sports entertainment/combat sports/headwear interface more deeply.