HEAVYWEIGHT COACH (why the average coach shouldn't be training heavy weights)

[monkeyrhythm]

Do you guys wear hats when watching MMA? I have a kewl baseball cap ready to wear for UFC 245.

Baseball caps just don't suit me; I think I may have slightly higher than average ears which throws the dimensions off.
I've been considering trying to carve out a niche in sports branded flat caps. You've inspired me to knock up my first prototype ready for UFC 245.

 

[KnightTemplar]

This thread is such a ridiculous dumpster fire.

Hey, if the skinny little girly-man in your Av had a coach as gifted as @-guerilla- he might have won 4 Olympic Golds instead of only 3 and a Silver! And his mediocre 887 - 2 record would be unblemished!

 

[KnightTemplar]

Why are people engaging with this guy? After the first few posts it was pretty obvious there's no point.

For the same reason people go to the zoo and watch monkeys fling their poop around the cage?

 

[-guerilla-]

For the same reason people go to the zoo and watch monkeys fling their poop around the cage?

# said the anonymous internet kid with ZERO COACHING EXPERIENCE

# dont know sports science
# dont know boxing
# dont know wrestling
# dont know heavies
# paid for membership

 

[TheeFaulted]

Ok Boomer

 

[-guerilla-]

#hastagshowdotheywork?

# in your head?

 

[-guerilla-]

#hastagshowdotheywork?

Magnets? How do they work?

Do you guys wear hats when watching MMA? I have a kewl baseball cap ready to wear for UFC 245.

Baseball caps are for nooooooobs
Real gangsters wear beanies

Actually, I never thought about that.

An old buddy of mine used to wear a sweatband (for the head) when we watched WWE PPVs and I have to say he absolutely killed it. I really should have taken that as a sign that I needed to look into the sports entertainment/combat sports/headwear interface more deeply.

Baseball caps just don't suit me; I think I may have slightly higher than average ears which throws the dimensions off.
I've been considering trying to carve out a niche in sports branded flat caps. You've inspired me to knock up my first prototype ready for UFC 245.

# shedog = trollpharm
# meet the herd

# knows nothing of combat sports

 

[-guerilla-]

Hey, if the skinny little girly-man in your Av had a coach as gifted as @-guerilla- he might have won 4 Olympic Golds instead of only 3 and a Silver! And his mediocre 887 - 2 record would be unblemished!

For the same reason people go to the zoo and watch monkeys fling their poop around the cage?

I'm guessing your primary martial arts training came from the strip mall down the street in the old Kmart plaza

# hero worship

The painful simple fact is the best pro coaches are recognizing that running is a waste of time for Combat Sports

They are applying targeted polymetric exercises and hiit training instead as this is a much more effective way to build the Cardio Blast requirements of the combat athlete

Sustained and distance running is known by scientific principles to be antithetical to Combat Athletics performance

Just because your Heroes got away with it doesn't mean it's the best exercise

The first time a caveman saw a bow and arrow they probably thought they had witnessed the greatest weapon invention there would ever be

You dumb asses are the cavemen staring with slack-jawed Wonder at non-conventional scientific principles being applied to Combat Sports

One of us is a record-breaking coach and a founding father of mixed martial arts the other ones are a bunch of anonymous internet trolls nibbling away at his heels

# bump my thread

 

[KnightTemplar]

I'm guessing your primary martial arts training came from the strip mall down the street in the old Kmart plaza


# bump my thread

You're wrong about my martial arts training as you are about conditioning. Suffice to say a few weeks ago the academy I have the privilege to train at hosted Sensei Eric Paulson for a seminar on Combat Submission Wrestling.

(Feel free to Google Sensei Paulson, so you can pretend you knew who I was talking about when you reply)

Bump your thread? You mean like you tried to bump your pitiful thread on why runners do poorly at MMA? Because you posted in it a week ago and haven't had any replies. It's slipping down the front page, just like any credibility you might have had before this car crash

 

[-guerilla-]

You're wrong about my martial arts training as you are about conditioning. Suffice to say a few weeks ago the academy I have the privilege to train at hosted Sensei Eric Paulson for a seminar on Combat Submission Wrestling.

(Feel free to Google Sensei Paulson, so you can pretend you knew who I was talking about when you reply)

Bump your thread? You mean like you tried to bump your pitiful thread on why runners do poorly at MMA? Because you posted in it a week ago and haven't had any replies. It's slipping down the front page, just like any credibility you might have had before this car crash

who in MMA doesn't know Eric...LOL

that guy is a MMA founding father!!

nice to hear you ACTUALLY train at a real gym..are you a privileged lil fella that drives his new SUV to the fancy gym with neon lights and a cucumber water dispenser

300$ bjj gi moms bought for Christmas??

[real fighters snicker when they sell you the special "secret" training techniques for 150$/month]

maybe one day you will realize what we professional coaches already know...running "for cardio" is a waste of time



# cute cartoons

 

[wufabufa]

who in MMA doesn't know Eric...LOL

that guy is a MMA founding father!!

nice to hear you ACTUALLY train at a real gym..are you a privileged lil fella that drives his new SUV to the fancy gym with neon lights and a cucumber water dispenser

300$ bjj gi moms bought for Christmas??

[real fighters snicker when they sell you the special "secret" training techniques for 150$/month]

maybe one day you will realize what we professional coaches already know...running "for cardio" is a waste of time



# cute cartoons

Damn man, you are such a hater. I'll pray for you tonight.

 

[-guerilla-]

Damn man, you are such a hater. I'll pray for you tonight.

LOL

# Strip mall forged

 

[monkeyrhythm]

Honestly dude, trust me when I say your approach to this thread isn't doing your credibility any favours.

Anyway, I assume you've come across Joel Jamieson and read 'Ultimate MMA Conditioning'?
His article on 'Roadwork 2.0' is a good 7 or 8 years old now:
https://www.8weeksout.com/2012/02/23/roadwork-2-0-the-comeback/
There's a load of other great content on his site too.

The bottom line is combat sports require a balance of both aerobic and anaerobic energy development. Joel can back up this assertion with both science, and significant real world success.

I thought this was pretty much universally understood and accepted now.

 

[Robocok]

Honestly dude, trust me when I say your approach to this thread isn't doing your credibility any favours.

Anyway, I assume you've come across Joel Jamieson and read 'Ultimate MMA Conditioning'?
His article on 'Roadwork 2.0' is a good 7 or 8 years old now:
https://www.8weeksout.com/2012/02/23/roadwork-2-0-the-comeback/
There's a load of other great content on his site too.

The bottom line is combat sports require a balance of both aerobic and anaerobic energy development. Joel can back up this assertion with both science, and significant real world success.

Honestly, I thought this was pretty much universally understood and accepted now.

Joe Friel has a lot of good info on periodization and developing an aerobic base. Of course the mechanics of wrestling and fight training are different but I'd argue that it's easier to stay in a specific training zone running or cycling. Cross training does have a place, but I think if you could figure out how to train in specific zones while wrestling (flow rolling at different intensities) or fight training that would be better. Op is right in that if you have limited time to train then you should spend that time doing the sport you're trying to improve in but zone specific work is important to building a good aerobic base. OP has some good points in spite of the egos and back and forth trolling here but most fight sport coaches would benefit from a better understanding of periodization. A lot of them are masters of technique and strategy but they don't understand periodization at the same level. Running and cycling are light years ahead of fighting when it comes to training aerobic conditioning. Combining the aerobic training methodologies from those sports with the strength and technique demands of fighting is the ultimate combo imo.

 

[monkeyrhythm]

Joe Friel has a lot of good info on periodization and developing an aerobic base. Of course the mechanics of wrestling and fight training are different but I'd argue that it's easier to stay in a specific training zone running or cycling. Cross training does have a place, but I think if you could figure out how to train in specific zones while wrestling (flow rolling at different intensities) or fight training that would be better. Op is right in that if you have limited time to train then you should spend that time doing the sport you're trying to improve in but zone specific work is important to building a good aerobic base. OP has some good points in spite of the egos and back and forth trolling here but most fight sport coaches would benefit from a better understanding of periodization. A lot of them are masters of technique and strategy but they don't understand periodization at the same level. Running and cycling are light years ahead of fighting when it comes to training aerobic conditioning. Combining the aerobic training methodologies from those sports with the strength and technique demands of fighting is the ultimate combo imo.

Any trolling wasn't down to egos IMO; it was frustration in the most part. Throughout the thread the OP fell foul of a number of logical fallacies, and a bunch of common cognitive biases.
J-boxing was particularly gracious in trying to bring things back on track.
A balance between aerobic and anaerobic energy development is key; both cardiovascular and muscular endurance are important.
There are multiple ways to skin a cat but LISS is a tried and tested way to target the aerobic system. That could be running, cycling or a combo of other things; what's optimal will be specific to the individual fighter. I don't think anyone in this thread would have a problem with the OP saying that the weight of the athlete should be one of the variables considered when designing a routine.

I've not read Joe Friel's work but will check it out. Obviously his area of expertise is in a different sport but it looks interesting nonetheless.

 

[aus101]

Even a bj cartoon wont make it a "backpedal"

"Just because shedogers are too dumb to comprehend the title"

Only heavyweights should coach heavyweights to produce the best results over the scientific average of thousands of fights

just because you win a war with a sword it doesn't make it the best weapon

Just because you won a race with a horse doesn't make it the fastest animal

Just because small trainers have produced great heavyweights dosent mean its the best strategy

Got it yet?

The entire theory is bunk. Two HW’s won’t have the same energy output or work capacity anyway.

Just because someone is large doesn’t mean they will better as a coach “because they understand the demands of being a HW”. There’s more to being a good coach than that.

When I was a school girl rowing coach my methods weren’t inferior to female coaches “because they understood what it was like to be a teenage girl”. A coach adapts his training on an individual basis.

 

[-guerilla-]

Honestly dude, trust me when I say your approach to this thread isn't doing your credibility any favours.

Anyway, I assume you've come across Joel Jamieson and read 'Ultimate MMA Conditioning'?
His article on 'Roadwork 2.0' is a good 7 or 8 years old now:
https://www.8weeksout.com/2012/02/23/roadwork-2-0-the-comeback/
There's a load of other great content on his site too.

The bottom line is combat sports require a balance of both aerobic and anaerobic energy development. Joel can back up this assertion with both science, and significant real world success.

I thought this was pretty much universally understood and accepted now.

I respect your anonymous internet opinion of course but my credibility was established some decades ago

Running for cardio is a ridiculous waste of time because you have a precious limited amount of mat time available to you and you should spend every second of that focused on the exact sport you plan to compete in

while I understand that it is sometimes difficult to find a partner there will always be bag drills polymetrics, cycling and swimming...all are radically Superior forms of cardio for MMA then running....

so why in God's name would you run????

Its really a question of how many hours per week you want to focus on something that is mediocre for cardio output converts blast muscles in too long muscles and has a high incidence of joint damage and accidents

 

[-guerilla-]

The entire theory is bunk. Two HW’s won’t have the same energy output or work capacity anyway.

Just because someone is large doesn’t mean they will better as a coach “because they understand the demands of being a HW”. There’s more to being a good coach than that.

When I was a school girl rowing coach my methods weren’t inferior to female coaches “because they understood what it was like to be a teenage girl”. A coach adapts his training on an individual basis.

O man...

Heavyweights combat athletics is some distance from girls rowing

How do you feel about math?

Like ko/injury rates?

You should adust your training to the athlete and heavyweight specific training is wise

And whos the best at understanding the unique world of the heavyweight but another heavyweight ?

 

[JauntyAngle]

I thought this was pretty much universally understood and accepted now.

Understood by everyone who is reasonably familiar with how energy systems work and training theories. That doesn't include every random guy from the Heavies who just decided what he thinks based on a logical fallacy and fuck all else.

 

[-guerilla-]

Understood by everyone who is reasonably familiar with how energy systems work and training theories. That doesn't include every random guy from the Heavies who just decided what he thinks based on a logical fallacy and fuck all else.

Conventional wisdom is often times very resistant to change

I agree that in the "olden times" cardio training theory running was the state-of-the-art

The Casual practitioner and Layman oftentimes places disciple like dedication upon the theories of their old coaches and their old ways in some kind of perverted hero-worship mentality

Our understanding of sports cardiovascular conditioning has changed and advanced with the times

it's very simple science really

* notice Im the only one posting videos and links to scientific articles and professional coaches testimonials

* notice I'm the only one here with a verifiable background as a professional coach in Combat Sports!




Here...listen to these professionals explain it to you in a more gentle fashion that hopefully will be less uspetting








* notice critics are only attacking me personally and not the substance of the argument or the videos presented

# lashing out