International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VI

[Ruv]

Israelis demanding an investigation into IDF killings of Israeli citizens on October 7th.

 

[Rholk]

They were captured by Hamas. I'm sure Israel tried to make it look like they were innocent civilians.

Imagine acting like your upset over casualties in this conflict and posting this shit at the same time

Pick one man.

 

[meauneau]

Imagine acting like your upset over casualties in this conflict and posting this shit at the same time

Pick one man.

That's not a casualty though. They are combatants.

 

[meauneau]

Not sure those were the ones captured. The four being claimed wre taken on October 7th. Nor does dancing justify any kind of brutality

Yes they are combatants, there's videos bellow in that thread showing they are in the army. So it's ok when the IDF strips "hamas" down and blindfolds them. You never complained about that.

 

[Koya]

What does “free Palestine” mean to you? Practically?

What does "from the river to the sea this flag is all you see" means in the Instagram bio of Yair Netanyahu the son of the Israeli prime minister, to you ? You guys never answer this.

 

[Anewt]

Yes they are combatants, there's videos bellow in that thread showing they are in the army. So it's ok when the IDF strips "hamas" down and blindfolds them. You never complained about that.

Don't do the whole oh you didn't complain about that. Thats lame. Could fill a entire encyclopaedia with that as fuck me id have to post every 10 minutes. You're much better than that.

Nor did I complain about the treatment of these women..... my point was the video shared of those women dancing...... are not the same women being held by hamas . Nor is women dancing on a tik tok something i particularly care about. Whether or not they're combatants... no idea. But there's plenty of red flags about that thread. Plus oh no being stripped down and blindfolded - in no way justifies viewing photographs of beaten women and thinking " justice ".


You're losing your grip on your humanity mate.

News flash I utterly despise fake and purposeful misinformation. Dgaf by who and will point of what I consider to be dubious

 

[Koya]

LOL @ Genocide.

you people are comical as you are dishonest.

Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people[a] in whole or in part.

In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.[1]

Genocide - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

killing members of the group: 23,000 killed at least, those under the rubbles are yet to be counted.
causing them serious bodily harm: 100k injured, thousands of cripples for life
causing them serious mental harm: a generation of orphans that lives under the constant threat of death
imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group: utter and systematic destruction of the medical system, people are getting amputated with half a dose of paracetamol directly on the ground, half a million people on the verge of starvation

Yeah it's not deniable at this point wether you like it or not

But the main point is that Palestinians are not really humans for you who cares about those bedouins fucks ? Am I right ?

 

[Phlog]

You are not wrong really if i understood your message correctly (english is 3rd language), stuff you talk about acts as one of foundations for western counterinsurgency stuff

Problem lies in the fact that the approach is not doable currently in active war phase, basically there needs to be some level of control of the people and enviroment to start working with it because if you dont then the opposite side has the influence to spread their stuff. And right now enviroment is being shot to shit and theres chaos everywhere so no control.

But this is just me playing couch general, i might be wrong as fuck lol

(I recommend reading accidental guerrilla by david kilcullen, goes in to stuff you talk about in afg and constant struggle over influence in regions west had with taliban)

Yes it's pretty wild there right now, and yes I appreciate that a more measured approach is currently not feasible. That's because Israeli political entities are facilitated at home with the current situation. Much like the elements in the US that benefitted from the war on terror, or the war on drugs (god it sounds stupid even admitting they were/are a thing).

They were invited into the war on terror as a way to defeat them, similarly Israel has been invited into this war to ensure its own defeat. It was the status quo that suited Israel best.

It benefits the elites on both sides, just not their people's.

It's really hard to see where this can go now, which kinda feels like the inevitable beginnings of the 1st and 2nd W wars.

I've read of the accidental guerilla, but not the book itself. I will rectify that.

 

[Phlog]

That's like, my whole fucking point.

You're approaching this at a grade school level and just being generally vapid.

Well I suggest it might suit you better when you encounter someone interested in the same topic of discussion as you to educate them rather than to denigrate them.

I don't see how I can be some kind of enemy of you, I don't know you, you don't know me. We're here to discuss ideas, I can't really see any other reason worth anything.

 

[meauneau]

Don't do the whole oh you didn't complain about that. Thats lame. Could fill a entire encyclopaedia with that as fuck me id have to post every 10 minutes. You're much better than that.

Nor did I complain about the treatment of these women..... my point was the video shared of those women dancing...... are not the same women being held by hamas . Nor is women dancing on a tik tok something i particularly care about. Whether or not they're combatants... no idea. But there's plenty of red flags about that thread. Plus oh no being stripped down and blindfolded - in no way justifies viewing photographs of beaten women and thinking " justice ".


You're losing your grip on your humanity mate.

News flash I utterly despise fake and purposeful misinformation. Dgaf by who and will point of what I consider to be dubious

If me sharing a video of beaten up captured of military women means I'm losing my humanity then does that mean that the IDF has lost it's humanity because they killed thousands of women and are punishing hundreds of thousands more through the blockade?

Also, you can't just assume that it's false. Their photos are on Israeli newspapers saying they are military. You can clearly see the captured women are the ones in the dancing video. It's a war and any combatant is putting him or herself in a position to be killed or captured.

Now that a bunch of military women are captured you start to tear up.

 

[Anewt]

If me sharing a video of beaten up captured of military women means I'm losing my humanity then does that mean that the IDF has lost it's humanity because they killed thousands of women and are punishing hundreds of thousands more through the blockade?

Also, you can't just assume that it's false. Their photos are on Israeli newspapers saying they are military. You can clearly see the captured women are the ones in the dancing video. It's a war and any combatant is putting him or herself in a position to be killed or captured.

Now that a bunch of military women are captured you start to tear up.

Sigh. Lame mate

 

[The_Renaissance]

What does "from the river to the sea this flag is all you see" means in the Instagram bio of Yair Netanyahu the son of the Israeli prime minister, to you ? You guys never answer this.

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Its in response to the original phrase used worldwide by those who want Israel dead.

 

[Rholk]

That's not a casualty though. They are combatants.

That's fine, pretty much in line with people not caring about Gazans dying, since they support Hamas and can be seen as combatans.

Suit yourself, we'll see who ends up on top i guess

 

[meauneau]

That's fine, pretty much in line with people not caring about Gazans dying, since they support Hamas and can be seen as combatans.

Suit yourself, we'll see who ends up on top i guess

That doesn't follow at all. A combatant is one thing and a civilian with some beliefs is another. If I agree with the views and ideals of Ukraine, am I a combatant? Of course not.

Just admit that you don't care about the Palestinians, you just want to see Israel win because you are a Jew, or Israeli or just hate Palestinians.

 

[tastaylvr]

Ireland still isn't united and the IRA likely hasn't been active for longer than you've been alive.

So, yes a bit like that I suppose.

Your point is silly and not rooted in reality. Holding a bad idea doesn't make you immune from retaliation just because other people may think a bad idea in the future.

Do you understand that the same points you are making were the same points being told to the Jews?

Can you imagine what they were told before Israel came into existence?

The people who say all this stuff about “not rooted in reality” have not read a history book. Nobody thought Zionism was possible before it happened. Nothing is rooted in reality until it happens. That’s how life works.

 

[Rational Poster]

Do you understand that the same points you are making were the same points being told to the Jews?

Can you imagine what they were told before Israel came into existence?

The people who say all this stuff about “not rooted in reality” have not read a history book. Nobody thought Zionism was possible before it happened. Nothing is rooted in reality until it happens. That’s how life works.

I've read more about history than you. I'm certain of that.

In fact, my entire interest in the topic is the historical implications and connections.

Your post is also meaningless gibberish.

 

[Koya]

Its in response to the original phrase used worldwide by those who want Israel dead.

What's your source for that? because as far as I can tell that's what he really believes in, an purely Israeli state from the river to the see and no Palestinian state whatsoever. And he's the son of the prime minister not some random joe. That says a lot.

Also in 1977 Likud's election manifesto already was saying : "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

Notice a pattern there ? It's almost like it's what Likud always preached for and the son of the Likud Israeli prime minister has always believed in that

So do you have a source for your claim ?

 

[Samjj]

What's your source for that? because as far as I can tell that's what he really believes in, an purely Israeli state from the river to the see and no Palestinian state whatsoever. And he's the son of the prime minister not some random joe. That says a lot.

Also in 1977 Likud's election manifesto already was saying : "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

Notice a pattern there ? It's almost like it's what Likud always preached for and the son of the Likud Israeli prime minister has always believed in that

So do you have a source for your claim ?

It's a riff on the the "Pro" Palestinian slogan "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free."

Yair Netanyahu is a piece of shit and the entirety of Israel society thinks he is a joke, so take the breadth of the impact of his opinion with a grain of salt.

 

[DoubleTrouble]

Yes because Israel wasn't murdering Palestinians and keeping them in an open air prison for years and years before that. 7/10 was the consequence of all the crimes of Israel on the Palestinian people over the decades.

Remember that the majority of Israeli Jews are supremacists. You have Israelis/Jews in this forum who admit that supremacism is necessary because they want to preserve the race and they think this justifies it. If white people said the same we would be called Nazis. What do we call Jewish supremacists then?

Then you have many Israeli politicians openly calling for genocide and ethnic cleansing, which has been in their minds since for ever. Also, don't forget that the Israelis knew about the 7/10 attacks, the Egyptians warned them and some Israelis even shorted companies there as they knew what was about to happen.

Israel is like the bully who starts crying and calling for attention and sympathy when he gets punched by the victim.

It actually wasn't....

They warned Israel about the subjugation of the West Bank Pali's earlier in 2023 AND the desecration of Al Aqsa during Ramadan.

Israel FAFO'd basically and now it's shown the world how weak and inept the ITF really is.

 

[Halifax]

What's your source for that? because as far as I can tell that's what he really believes in, an purely Israeli state from the river to the see and no Palestinian state whatsoever. And he's the son of the prime minister not some random joe. That says a lot.

Also in 1977 Likud's election manifesto already was saying : "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

Notice a pattern there ? It's almost like it's what Likud always preached for and the son of the Likud Israeli prime minister has always believed in that

So do you have a source for your claim ?

The phrase was initially used by the PLO and pan Arabic folks in the 60s, but not quite with the connotations Hamas uses today. You can rather easily Google the phrase "from the river to the sea, palestine will be free" and see when it originated.

Mind you it was different in Arabic.

I think the arab translation was not quite so rhyming in English

It was from water to water palestine is Arab or something.