International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VI

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Samjj said:
It's a riff on the the "Pro" Palestinian slogan "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free."

Yair Netanyahu is a piece of shit and the entirety of Israel society thinks he is a joke, so take the breadth of the impact of his opinion with a grain of salt.
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he's a 32 year old grown man child who has no political power. he's referenced only by pro-pal people because they'll hold up anything they can negative and imply it's all or the majority of israel.

it's in place of any actual plan for long term peace.
 
Opinion polling shows support for Hamas has risen from 12% to 44% in the West Bank and from 38% to 42% in Gaza in the past three months. If it were possible to hold fair Palestinian elections now, they could produce results Israel would not like.

I've yet to hear how this military offensive achieves any good for Israel. I think it's pretty obvious it is doing more harm than good.
 
Phlog said:
Opinion polling shows support for Hamas has risen from 12% to 44% in the West Bank and from 38% to 42% in Gaza in the past three months. If it were possible to hold fair Palestinian elections now, they could produce results Israel would not like.

I've yet to hear how this military offensive achieves any good for Israel. I think it's pretty obvious it is doing more harm than good.
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Killing Hamas is certainly good for them. This will never end as long as terrorists are in control. This is worse for Gaza than it is for Israel. Israel has shown who has the might, and what the response is to terror. If the Palestinian citizens are too blind to see that, unfortunately the blood is all on their hands. These are the same citizens that spit and cheered as naked hostages were paraded through the streets, so I am pretty sure to separate Hamas from the civilians may not be as black and white as some may think. Your stated polls may prove it.
 
Phlog said:
Opinion polling shows support for Hamas has risen from 12% to 44% in the West Bank and from 38% to 42% in Gaza in the past three months. If it were possible to hold fair Palestinian elections now, they could produce results Israel would not like.

I've yet to hear how this military offensive achieves any good for Israel. I think it's pretty obvious it is doing more harm than good.
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what would no military offensive have accomplished, other than ensuring hamas is still ruling gaza, next door to israel, and still plotting their next 10/7, as they promised to do over and over? not only plotting their next 10/7, but also starving and robbing the people of gaza for their own personal gains.
 
Phlog said:
Opinion polling shows support for Hamas has risen from 12% to 44% in the West Bank and from 38% to 42% in Gaza in the past three months. If it were possible to hold fair Palestinian elections now, they could produce results Israel would not like.

I've yet to hear how this military offensive achieves any good for Israel. I think it's pretty obvious it is doing more harm than good.
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Yeah. Imagine going after and taking out terrorists that brutally attacked your country. What are they thinking? This has really backfired on them. That terror attack totally hasn’t backfired on hamas and the innocent civilians of Gaza.
 
Phlog said:
Opinion polling shows support for Hamas has risen from 12% to 44% in the West Bank and from 38% to 42% in Gaza in the past three months. If it were possible to hold fair Palestinian elections now, they could produce results Israel would not like.

I've yet to hear how this military offensive achieves any good for Israel. I think it's pretty obvious it is doing more harm than good.
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So about half of the population of the West Bank and Gaza supports the murder, rape, and kidnapping conducted on October 7? We should support those people.
 
Phlog said:
Opinion polling shows support for Hamas has risen from 12% to 44% in the West Bank and from 38% to 42% in Gaza in the past three months. If it were possible to hold fair Palestinian elections now, they could produce results Israel would not like.

I've yet to hear how this military offensive achieves any good for Israel. I think it's pretty obvious it is doing more harm than good.
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The support for the october 7th attacks, right after they took place, was overwhelming (after years of ceasefire).

So no this military campaign won't win over the hearts and minds of most Palestinians,
It's not supposed to either, as the recent past has shown, when Gazans get to freely rule themselves, they choose to support a party whose sole existance is dedicated to eradicating Israel.

So the short term aim of this campaing is to free hostages and stomp down Gaza/WB's abillity to do (significant) damage to Israel, the need of which was made obvious 3 months ago.
Long term Israel shouldn't be too interested in Gaza, at all. All it cares about are it's own security interests. God knows letting them rule themselves lead to this situation.

It's probably gonna end up with installing some arab puppet-leader with backing of some regional partners, but so far nations aren't exactly jumping at the chance to get involved in the Palestinian mess.
Hell, most were close to completely normalising relations with Israel a few months back.
They'll still do this, ofcourse. They just have to act upset for about a year or 2.
Wall it off, install a puppet, wait for ~50 years

This mess has been a strategically smart move by Iran imo, long term it's not gonna do too much.
They have little care for the lives of actual Palestinians, unfortunately there seem to be a lot of usefull idiots in the region willing to do their bidding,
 
Felt like this pretty much echoes a lot of the arguments which have been laid out thus far in these threads.

 
Rholk said:
That's fine, pretty much in line with people not caring about Gazans dying, since they support Hamas and can be seen as combatans.

Suit yourself, we'll see who ends up on top i guess;)
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Can be seen as combatants how exactly? Having bad beliefs doesn't make one a combatant, what an absurd thing to say.
 
Islam Imamate said:
Can be seen as combatants how exactly? Having bad beliefs doesn't make one a combatant, what an absurd thing to say.
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It's not bad beliefs that could make you a legitimate target.

Directly supporting an enemy combatant can make you one tho, people providing food or shelter to one might be considered.
Hell, severing logistical support is usually a big part of any military strategy.

Not that i truly believe that 3/4 of palestinians make a legit target.
But since he's trying to muddy the water by throwing in some random tiktok videos, i'm happy to throw in some dirt.
 
kflo said:
he's a 32 year old grown man child who has no political power. he's referenced only by pro-pal people because they'll hold up anything they can negative and imply it's all or the majority of israel.

it's in place of any actual plan for long term peace.
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Why are we pretending that the far right is fringe in Israel when there are far right ministers like Smotrich and Ben Gvir? Somehow there's so much hysteria over US college students on campuses chanting "from river to sea" and people collectively blame Gazans for Hamas winning a plurality in 2006 elections but ministerial posts aren't at all representative of Israeli society? Come on now.
 
Phlog said:
Opinion polling shows support for Hamas has risen from 12% to 44% in the West Bank and from 38% to 42% in Gaza in the past three months. If it were possible to hold fair Palestinian elections now, they could produce results Israel would not like.

I've yet to hear how this military offensive achieves any good for Israel. I think it's pretty obvious it is doing more harm than good.
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Lol not sure where you’re seeing that as I shared a poll itt before that had Hamas support in Gaza at like 70% prior to the war. So 42% would be a significant decrease lol
 
meauneau said:
If me sharing a video of beaten up captured of military women means I'm losing my humanity then does that mean that the IDF has lost it's humanity because they killed thousands of women and are punishing hundreds of thousands more through the blockade?

Also, you can't just assume that it's false. Their photos are on Israeli newspapers saying they are military. You can clearly see the captured women are the ones in the dancing video. It's a war and any combatant is putting him or herself in a position to be killed or captured.

Now that a bunch of military women are captured you start to tear up.
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Where are you even seeing they got captured? You really seem like the most social media brain rotted poster itt.

Anyways if you really do care about Palestinians you would be praying that if they were captured Hamas is behaving themselves and not publicizing them being mistreated. If there’s one thing someone as dense as you should know by now, it’s that Israel will get revenge tenfold.
 
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Islam Imamate said:
Why are we pretending that the far right is fringe in Israel when there are far right ministers like Smotrich and Ben Gvir? Somehow there's so much hysteria over US college students on campuses chanting "from river to sea" and people collectively blame Gazans for Hamas winning a plurality in 2006 elections but ministerial posts aren't at all representative of Israeli society? Come on now.
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“Far right” ministers comprise less than 10% of the parliament.
 
Can we stop pretending the objective of Israel in Gaza is to remove Hamas? They are quite literally saying the quiet part out loud, listen to their own words you bozos, and stop lying about their real objective:

 
Islam Imamate said:
Why are we pretending that the far right is fringe in Israel when there are far right ministers like Smotrich and Ben Gvir? Somehow there's so much hysteria over US college students on campuses chanting "from river to sea" and people collectively blame Gazans for Hamas winning a plurality in 2006 elections but ministerial posts aren't at all representative of Israeli society? Come on now.
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i never said the far right fringe doesn't have any support in israel. they do.

they don't represent the majority, and the views can change depending on the prospects for peace.

it's still not at all clear what most palestinians (and the people who seem to think they represent the best interests of palestinians) would be happy with as a long term solution. a realistic solution. that retains the integrity of israel. and eliminates the idea of all palestinians as permanent refugees.
 
William Munny said:
Up to 9000 Hamas fighters captured or killed since Hamas played FAFO

www.nbcnews.com

Up to 9,000 Hamas fighters killed or captured, IDF says

Blinken Middle East trip comes as escalation fears grow with Iran-backed militants.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

Hopefully the IDF quadruple this number.

Fuck Hamas, and you POSs in this thread who revere them.
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Fuck the IDF.

I'd say the same thing you are saying in regards to them, but somehow I feel the mods would treat that differently.
 
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