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America's regional partners will assist taskforce, US says​

By Brad Ryan in Washington DC​

We're getting a bit more detail about the taskforce that the US is planning to establish to monitor the initial stage of the ceasefire.

The American taskforce of about 200 troops is also likely to include members of the militaries of Egypt, Qatar, Türkiye and the United Arab Emirates, according to a senior US official.

Their role will be to "oversee" and "observe" the ceasefire, to make sure there are no violations.

No US troops will be sent into Gaza itself, said the official, who briefed the ABC and other media on condition of anonymity.

Admiral Brad Cooper, of US Central Command, is playing a leading role in setting up the taskforce.

The taskforce is being talked about as a precursor to the "International Stabilization Force" (ISF), which is part of the US's larger 20-point peace proposal.

The idea is that the ISF would eventually replace the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) on the "yellow line" — that is, the area of Gaza where it's proposed the IDF withdraw to.




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Again, you keep lying and pulling numbers out of your ass. That source you disregarded? That was Israeli intelligence concluding there's no evidence that Hamas was stealing large amounts of aid from the UN.

Are you going to admit you lied and correct your statement?

It's based off of the IDF, which estimated at the start of the war that Hamas has 25,000 combatants. By now, they claim to have killed 20,000 combatants and wounded another 15,000 at least. On top of that, most of Hamas' leadership is long dead.

Most estimates for what's left of Hamas soldiers at this point are a couple thousand at best. And that's if we skirt around the fact that Israel has been clearly counting dead civilians at combatants.

I assess the a source's credibility and motives case by case. I trust an insurance salesman to tell me what time it is more than to tell me how awesome their insurance policies are.

A war with...a couple thousand unorganized combatants at best now? Israel achieved its military objectives long ago, at this point it's the political objectives that have been the sticking point.

I'd say pretty soon after the invasion. Eliminating a group like the Taliban is not a realistic objective with military force, something that Israel has not learned well.

Yes, because saying mass starvation of civilian populations is bad for everyone makes one a terrorist.

These areas are not delineated or communicated to Gazans. It's pure sadism and murder.

If I tell my soldiers shoot everyone who crosses the street today, including civilians, and I don't tell the locals that, would you consider that genocidal?

No, I never said anything remotely like this, you are just bad at basic reading comprehension.

I also never said this, again you are awful at reading English.

So if you find Khan's allegations against Putin credible, why do you not find his allegations against Bibi credible?

And yet hundreds of civilians weren't getting massacred at aid stations when the UN and its partners were in charge. Are you telling me that the UN was better at distributing aid and saving lives than GHF?

What proof was provided, for example, in the case of Anas Al Sharif and his colleagues?

My family grew up the victim of pograms in a country that grappled with genocide and terrorism. Have you or you immediate family ever seen what that does to a society first hand?

You make a lot of assumptions for someone so ignorant. Israel is not the only country to have struggled with terrorism and ethnic conflict.

Israel has no strategic depth to fall back on but they are the regional hegemon, both conventionally and in terms of WMDs. It's not even close. Israel hasn't faced existential threats in about half a century, the power balance has shifted tremendously.

If you had a hint of self awareness you'd realize that most of the errors you accuse me of stem from you sucking ass at basic reading comprehension.
You have repeatedly shifted your positions depending on what's convenient to the point of doing 180 turns. It is a waste of my time debating your repeated strawmans and outright lies. I have literally quoted your every post. Perhaps instead of accusing me of poor reading comprehension you should make your points clearer and stay away from absolute statements("that's not a thing" before even doing a 10 sec google check) so that you don't later need to lie and claim you never said it or pretend you meant something else when it was obvious what you meant initially.

I don't need to acknowledge any good points you made or any errors I made when you are being dishonest repeatedly. You can disregard the articles I posted, twist the articles into some other points of discussion, selectively trust or distrust information from the same sources or do whatever else you do and pretend you're winning something. ...

You do the equivalent of: No no you must randomly provide proof to the specific case I meant but didn't bother to mention initially but you were magically supposed to know. No not that one. Let me shift the conversation to something completely unrelated to the discussion which somehow doesn't make me as wrong. Yes I win! You are so dumb! I am such an expert debater.....Now I need you to randomly condemn something...what about this other thing? Surely you care about that? You're such a jerk for not condemning this yet another third thing that I randomly brought up to deflect from the original point...no no I meant something completely other than the most straight forward reading of what I said ...because since you know me so well you should magically know what I mean.....you should be able to read between the lines....

You think your family is the only one to have faced challenges? How do you think a guy from USSR is living in the US? Did multiple members of your family spend a decade in Stalin's hard labor camps or get shipped to Siberia? How many of them perished during WWII? Did you have to stand in food lines as a kid during middle of the night in cold weather for basic shit like butter? Ever walk into a completely empty store that's open like nothing is wrong? Ever have to move to a country with essentially the clothes on your back and be forced to learn a new language, culture, etc? No we didn't have it worse than many others who lived through war and even more extreme forms of poverty. But I wouldn't presume how people who must live in extreme circumstances react. You have the luxury of taking the higher moral ground on everything. You have nothing at risk. It's easy to say things when it's all theoretical for you. When you have to fight enemies bereft of morals, you have to do what you must.
 
You have repeatedly shifted your positions depending on what's convenient to the point of doing 180 turns. It is a waste of my time debating your repeated strawmans and outright lies. I have literally quoted your every post. Perhaps instead of accusing me of poor reading comprehension you should make your points clearer and stay away from absolute statements("that's not a thing" before even doing a 10 sec google check) so that you don't later need to lie and claim you never said it or pretend you meant something else when it was obvious what you meant initially.
It is amazing your inability to grasp when you're flagrantly wrong.
You can quibble over the exact figures but it was in the high 80s% and Hamas controls Gaza. There were videos of Hamas brutally punishing those suspected of looting without their permission.
You claimed Hamas is stealing most aid into Gaza and controls Gaza.

Here's what your own source says:
"While Israel has blamed Hamas for the systematic looting of aid, the New York Times cited Israeli sources last month as saying that the Israeli military never found direct proof of looting by the terror group."

Here's another lie from you:
Your whole point was that one of them switched his stance once Israelis detained the minors. It's not a big leap to conclude what I said.
You were replying to this, where I didn't mention child kidnapping at all, and it was in reference to Gaza.
The same reason you listen to doctors when it comes to medical advice. Expertise and knowledge matter in scholarship the same way. Note I don't agree with these scholars on everything, but there arguments are reasonable and well supported.
You claimed I said kidnapping children isn't genocide.
You claimed that kidnapping of children was not a crime of genocide. I proved you wrong so you deflect and resort to name calling. It is very on brand for you.
Because you butchered this comment from me.
Again, child kidnapping is not why scholars accused Russia of genocide. You're attempting to straw man and effect here to cover for your lack of knowledge.
Oh let's not forget your outright lie that 4500 calories per person per day was delivered, before you bitched out and refuse do provide a source.
I know you have repeatedly claimed that there were insufficient calories per person delivered into the area but I've also seen claims elsewhere that something like 4500 calories per person per day were delivered. Hamas repeatedly stole or refused to distribute the aid(at least in some areas). The more I wait the more info comes out that it has been a propaganda campaign by Hamas and its allies. But it's ok we're not going to agree here.

You think your family is the only one to have faced challenges? How do you think a guy from USSR is living in the US? Did multiple members of your family spend a decade in Stalin's hard labor camps or get shipped to Siberia? How many of them perished during WWII? Did you have to stand in food lines as a kid during middle of the night in cold weather for basic shit like butter? Ever walk into a completely empty store that's open like nothing is wrong? Ever have to move to a country with essentially the clothes on your back and be forced to learn a new language, culture, etc? No we didn't have it worse than many others who lived through war and even more extreme forms of poverty. But I wouldn't presume how people who must live in extreme circumstances react. You have the luxury of taking the higher moral ground on everything. You have nothing at risk. It's easy to say things when it's all theoretical for you. When you have to fight enemies bereft of morals, you have to do what you must.
And now you're rambling on about how my family can't be the only ones who have faced challenges, despite me never making that claim.

My family is Indonesian and Cambodian. If you know anything about history, you should know what living through those genocides (yes, more than genocide) was like for the generation before me.
 
Haven't paid much attention to this story over the last 48 hours. All I know is "Trump arranged Hostages To Be Released" & "Peace Deal Between IDF & Hamas Incoming."

My question is this -

Has the MSM narrative already changed to "How Peace In The Middle East Enriches Trump & His Billionaire Allies" or will it change tomorrow or in the next week?

Because that will eventually be the narrative.

Edit - Everyone but @avenue94 can answer. Can't think of a bigger lying cunt in the Warroom than him.
 
It is amazing your inability to grasp when you're flagrantly wrong.

You claimed Hamas is stealing most aid into Gaza and controls Gaza.

Here's what your own source says:
"While Israel has blamed Hamas for the systematic looting of aid, the New York Times cited Israeli sources last month as saying that the Israeli military never found direct proof of looting by the terror group."

Here's another lie from you:

You were replying to this, where I didn't mention child kidnapping at all, and it was in reference to Gaza.

You claimed I said kidnapping children isn't genocide.

Because you butchered this comment from me.

Oh let's not forget your outright lie that 4500 calories per person per day was delivered, before you bitched out and refuse do provide a source.



And now you're rambling on about how my family can't be the only ones who have faced challenges, despite me never making that claim.

My family is Indonesian and Cambodian. If you know anything about history, you should know what living through those genocides (yes, more than genocide) was like for the generation before me.

I literally posted articles for the claims. I blame Hamas for the looting whether directly or indirectly. 88-90% of aid is looted in their areas(from the sources I posted and other sources I've seen). You conveniently choose to believe Hamas is not responsible. Yet when those same officials say other things you act skeptical if not call their statements outright lies. Not finding proof that Hamas looted and them not looting are not the same thing.

You made a point about two scholars being at odds but then one of them was pushed over into agreement that it was genocide because Israel detained several thousand minors. I scoffed at it by saying that if Israel ends up releasing them at the end of hostilities, will the one scholar go back to his original position that it's not genocide? But the bigger point I was making is that relying on someone like that is not a strong position.You essentially mentioned one scholar who was steadfast in his position. Great.

I then made the mistake of trying to follow you on one of your many tangents where you claimed kidnapping children is not even the main cause of genocide charges against Russia. I pointed out that it's one of the things Russia got popped for and mainly why Putin got personally charged with a war crime of genocide. It is literally the main charge against Putin in the ICC warrant...

"The court cited Mr. Putin’s responsibility for the abduction and deportation of Ukrainian children, thousands of whom have been sent to Russia since the invasion. It also issued a warrant for Russia’s commissioner for children’s rights, Maria Lvova-Belova, the public face of the Kremlin-sponsored program that transfers the children out of Ukraine."



I didn't lie about the calories. I came across it at some point but it doesn't matter because I am sure you'll just poo poo the source or say those calories weren't consistent throughout even if I find it again. You can even find mentions of it with a quick search for some months.

"My family grew up the victim of pograms in a country that grappled with genocide and terrorism. Have you or you immediate family ever seen what that does to a society first hand?"

This may be the single unintentionally funniest thing you've said. Anyone reading this would have concluded you(and your family) were a Jew or at least other minority from Europe during WWII like Gypsy or Pole(and you were alluding to the Holocaust). But no you are actually Indonesian and Cambodian who was born in the US?. So you personally haven't faced jack shit which again is quite obvious. But yes I am somewhat aware of the genocides. I work with a Cambodian guy(who came here at 14 due to the mentioned issues).

"
plural noun: pogroms
  1. an organized massacre of a particular ethnic group, in particular that of Jewish people in Russia or eastern Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries."
 
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Haven't paid much attention to this story over the last 48 hours. All I know is "Trump arranged Hostages To Be Released" & "Peace Deal Between IDF & Hamas Incoming."

My question is this -

Has the MSM narrative already changed to "How Peace In The Middle East Enriches Trump & His Billionaire Allies" or will it change tomorrow or in the next week?

Because that will eventually be the narrative.

Edit - Everyone but @avenue94 can answer. Can't think of a bigger lying cunt in the Warroom than him.

I think many pundits I've seen are more than happy to give Trump credit and are acting cautiously optimistic.
 
Buddy, if you have specific posters you want to ask, there exists a tag function. No need to sell wolf tickets.
Selling wolf tickets doesn't apply or make sense jere.

Your grasp of the English language is very poor.
 


So there I was fishing for my contact lens on the floor and Hitler walked in...I am somewhat blind without my lenses but somehow I found them in the rush as one of the highest level Israeli ministers just happened to have walked it....but like a Jedi I quickly composed myself, found and magically put my lens in without contact solution and then I saw the sheer evil....he had horns coming out of his head and he was saying mean things to me....it really hurt my feelings....they then put me on a non first class flight and shipped me home....it was so traumatic.....you'd think all the partying in Ibiza could have prepared me for this incident but no....
 
So there I was fishing for my contact lens on the floor and Hitler walked in...I am somewhat blind without my lenses but somehow I found them in the rush as one of the highest level Israeli ministers just happened to have walked it....but like a Jedi I quickly composed myself, found and magically put my lens in without contact solution and then I saw the sheer evil....he had horns coming out of his head and he was saying mean things to me....it really hurt my feelings....they then put me on a non first class flight and shipped me home....it was so traumatic.....you'd think all the partying in Ibiza could have prepared me for this incident but no....
If someone of another race said "he looked as evil as he does on TV" about a black guy there would be screams of racism

Perhaps these liberals should hold themselves to the standards they try and force on others...
 
If you think Bibi thought this was a surprise.... After funding and allowing Hamas to be a thing. And being a small country where everyone is a soldier..... And nobody really reacted for six hours.


LMAO. This was an excuse to annihilate and take take land. RIP all innocents.
 
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If you think Bibi thought this was a surprise.... After funding and allowing Hamad to be a thing. And being a small country where everyone is a soldier..... And nobody really for six hours.


LMAO. This was an excuse to annihilate and take take land. RIP all innocents.
You are an idiot. A racist evil idiot. But an idiot nonetheless
 
Those who coddle themselves in demonising Jews because it makes them feel morally superior would do well to read this from a Palestinian who lived in Gaza

 
You are an idiot. A racist evil idiot. But an idiot nonetheless

I am an idiot. And misspoke. But if you think Israel didn't have intelligence about the attack beforehand you are literally retarded.

They bug Presidents. You don't think they bug sand merchants?
 
Anyone else notice those who have been claiming the Palestinians are being genocided... Haven't been celebrating?

They've been claiming 'Palestinians are being genocided' since a week after Oct7th,2025... yet two years later, there's still Palestinians that are alive.

Anyone else see the irony that modern-day Israel, with the modern weaponry, are far less effective at genocide than the Nazis were 85-90 years ago... At genociding them?
 
If you think Bibi thought this was a surprise.... After funding and allowing Hamas to be a thing. And being a small country where everyone is a soldier..... And nobody really reacted for six hours.


LMAO. This was an excuse to annihilate and take take land. RIP all innocents.
What land have they taken again?
 
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