International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

[Hog-train]

You’re utterly dishonest, really.

The majority of Palestinians living in the WB and also Gaza have favored Hamas for years. This “manipulated” polling data is widely available and has been for a long time prior to Oct 7th. Claiming that the majority of the Palestinian populace supported Hamas (I don’t know what the reality is now in Gaza but their support remains strong in the WB) is a widely known fact. You pretending that making this claim is the same as you saying that a large portion of Israelis support the systematic extermination of Palestinians is just debate perverty and twisting of reality. It’s not based in anything quantifiable beyond your magical thinking and mind reading of Israeli society.

You're not only dishonest - you're hypocritical.

All this "well known" information on what Palestinians think and feel is based on polls. You're painting almost ALL Palestinians motivations based on that.

Yet you have a problem with me saying a subset of Israelis wouldn't mind all the Palestinians either a. dead or b. completely ethnically cleansed and expelled.

I'm basing this on them REPEATEDLY voting in the most right wing faction of Israeli politics - the Likud party. They keep voting in Netanyahu. And a lot of Israeli government officials have numerous instances of using genocidal language.

Yet you want to completely discount that as a fringe. If they're so fringe, why do they keep being voted in and hold important government positions?

Unlike the vast majority of Palestinians - who HAVEN'T voted for Hamas because the last election was in 2006.

So who is more responsible? People who consistently vote in a far right government that is currently responsible for war crimes? Or a populace that is 50% children and haven't voted for anyone?

As per the labeling of Hamas propaganda.
I find it really fucking strange that you are defending this point. The video that you posted was written/recorded/edited/ and released by Hamas. It even has their watermark intro edited in the video. Do you still stand by your description that it was an “interesting interview?”

You keep doing this. I can't read your mind based on a vague reference. WTF video are you talking about? I've posted probably over a hundred times in this thread. Link whatever post you're talking about otherwise I have zero frame of reference.

As for "propaganda." I can name "propaganda" you've posted - such as Abraham Wyner's bullshit attempt to minimize the number of Gazan casualties. That's debunked and obvious propaganda.

And to the last point, no I really didn’t give a shit about the article. If you were actually honest about any interaction ever on here you would recall that my criticism to you was based on your gaslighting of all allegations of antisemitism. Another instance in which you used an ad asburdum to further imply all accusations of antisemitism are bullshit. I brought up the historian (if you remember his hame or not that’s your problem) in this context who you have repeatedly posted links recommending his work.

WTF does this gibberish even mean. "Gaslighting of allegations of anti-semitism" - lol what.

Then you bring up some mysterious historian which you won't name, yet I must remember or it's my fault - LMAO.

So you can't remember, but I have to know WTF you're talking about. Ok grandpa.

The “non sequitur” criticism was aimed to suggest to you that you aren’t a good judge of what is actually antisemitic given you posted endorsements for a historian who has now been revealed as a holocaust denier. I said as much in that interaction and elaborated very clearly on that point. You claiming that “I didn’t like the article” that you posted is not even remotely close to representing the reality of that interaction and is just another example of you being dishonest.

Again - Who TF are you talking about? Quote the post you're talking about. I've posted a lot in this thread.

 

[Samjj]

You're not only dishonest - you're hypocritical.

All this "well known" information on what Palestinians think and feel is based on polls. You're painting almost ALL Palestinians motivations based on that.

Yet you have a problem with me saying a subset of Israelis wouldn't mind all the Palestinians either a. dead or b. completely ethnically cleansed and expelled.

I'm basing this on them REPEATEDLY voting in the most right wing faction of Israeli politics - the Likud party. They keep voting in Netanyahu. And a lot of Israeli government officials have numerous instances of using genocidal language.

Yet you want to completely discount that as a fringe. If they're so fringe, why do they keep being voted in and hold important government positions?

Unlike the vast majority of Palestinians - who HAVEN'T voted for Hamas because the last election was in 2006.

So who is more responsible? People who consistently vote in a far right government that is currently responsible for war crimes? Or a populace that is 50% children and haven't voted for anyone?



You keep doing this. I can't read your mind based on a vague reference. WTF video are you talking about? I've posted probably over a hundred times in this thread. Link whatever post you're talking about otherwise I have zero frame of reference.

As for "propaganda." I can name "propaganda" you've posted - such as Abraham Wyner's bullshit attempt to minimize the number of Gazan casualties. That's debunked and obvious propaganda.



WTF does this gibberish even mean. "Gaslighting of allegations of anti-semitism" - lol what.

Then you bring up some mysterious historian which you won't name, yet I must remember or it's my fault - LMAO.

So you can't remember, but I have to know WTF you're talking about. Ok grandpa.



Again - Who TF are you talking about? Quote the post you're talking about. I've posted a lot in this thread.

Wall of cope.


Now all Likud voters are supporters of a genocidal final solution of Palestinians?


If the majority of Palestinians prior to Oct 7th didn’t support Hamas, then which political party did they support?


I am Grandpa but you can't remember what you posted two days ago? Scumbag troll tactics from a chronic liar.

 

[Hog-train]

Wall of cope.

Now all Likud voters are supporters of a genocidal final solution of Palestinians?

Very weak response.

Now all Palestinians are supporters of terrorism? Even when the vast majority never voted for Hamas and 50% are children?

Same shit hypocrite.

If the majority of Palestinians prior to Oct 7th didn’t support Hamas, then which political party did they support?

They didn't support any political party because the last election was in 2006.

Your brain is broken bro.

You don't know how to communicate and expect people to read your mind based on your vague senile rambling. Then start lobbing insults when asked for clarification.

You can't debate logically so you go to the weak fallback of lame insults.

 

[Samjj]

Very weak response.

Now all Palestinians are supporters of terrorism? Even when the vast majority never voted for Hamas and 50% are children?

Same shit hypocrite.



They didn't support any political party because the last election was in 2006.



You don't know how to communicate and expect people to read your mind based on your vague senile rambling. Then start lobbing insults when asked for clarification.

I don't think anyone reading these interactions has any issue following what is being conveyed here but nice attempt at more deflections and straw-manning.

Anyone who has been following this thread knows very well what we're talking about - but here is link to Hamas propaganda that you "innocently" posted just a few days ago.

International - Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

I don't start fights, but I do finish them. Hypocritical pussy. And you're funny, my boy. After poisoning the wells now israeli settlers poison livestock of Palestinians. But hey it's not a terrorist colonialist state at all. Only democracy in the middle east yada yada No responses...

forums.sherdog.com

Do you deny that this is Hamas propaganda?


Public sentiment can't be measured outside of election years? Terribly stupid statement.


"I don't understand what you're saying and I don't remember posting anything that I ever posted, please link everything that I ever posted."

Scumbag troll tactic as I said.

 

[Snubnoze707]

No bro. They should have done like hamas and hezbollah and fired unguided rockets into their cities

As opposed to firing guided rockets from robots in the sky at unarmed civilians walking on rubble, and rockets at hospitals, schools, apartment buildings, markets, literal entire blocks.... which is what Israel is currently doing.

 

[Samjj]

You don't know how to communicate and expect people to read your mind based on your vague senile rambling. Then start lobbing insults when asked for clarification.

You can't debate logically so you go to the weak fallback of lame insults.

You are never accountable for what you say. This makes you a liar.

 

[Snubnoze707]

If Israel stopped the war, allowed the Palestinians autonomy and their own state, and left them to their own devices how long do you think it will be before Israel gets attacked again?

When Israel does get attacked again, which they undoubtedly will if you look at history, how do you think they should respond?

Cool hypothetical but Israel isn't going to stop this war. They are attempting to flatten Gaza and completely take that land over, as well as the West Bank. They are doing what you seem to be implicating is the last choice...

 

[Hog-train]

International - Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

I don't start fights, but I do finish them. Hypocritical pussy. And you're funny, my boy. After poisoning the wells now israeli settlers poison livestock of Palestinians. But hey it's not a terrorist colonialist state at all. Only democracy in the middle east yada yada No responses...

forums.sherdog.com

Do you deny that this is Hamas propaganda?


Public sentiment can't be measured outside of election years? Terribly stupid statement.


"I don't understand what you're saying and I don't remember posting anything that I ever posted, please link everything that I ever posted."

Scumbag troll tactic as I said.

Yep I am completely denying this is Hama's propaganda.

This is rescued Israeli hostage, Noa Argamani's, OWN WORDS on her Instagram stories.

The rough translation.

• I can’t ignore what happened on here in the media in the last 24 hours, things were taken out of context.
• I was not beaten and my hair wasn’t cut. I was in a building that was bombed by the IAF. The exact quote is:
• ”In this weekend, after the shooting, as I’ve said, I had cuts all over my head,
• And I was hurt all over my body”
• (I’m emphasizing that I was not beaten, rather I was hurt all over my body by the building collapsing on me)
• As a victim of October 7th, I will not allow myself to be victimized once more by the media

You are never accountable for what you say. This makes you a liar.

Yet you have an inability to show all these supposed lies.

You just don't like the very inconvenient facts I bring up, critical of Israel's policies, so you have to resort to some childish "You're a liar" insult.

Disprove or logically argue things I've stated instead.

 

[Samjj]

Yep I am denying this is Hama's propaganda.

This is rescued Israeli hostage, Noa Argamani's, OWN WORDS on her Instagram stories.

The rough translation.

• I can’t ignore what happened on here in the media in the last 24 hours, things were taken out of context.
• I was not beaten and my hair wasn’t cut. I was in a building that was bombed by the IAF. The exact quote is:
• ”In this weekend, after the shooting, as I’ve said, I had cuts all over my head,
• And I was hurt all over my body”
• (I’m emphasizing that I was not beaten, rather I was hurt all over my body by the building collapsing on me)
• As a victim of October 7th, I will not allow myself to be victimized once more by the media

Yet you have an inability to show all these supposed lies.

Hog,
The video that you posted was a scripted video written and recorded by Hamas while Noa was in captivity. You labeled it an "interview".

This is a massive goalpost shift on your part to imply that because parts of the events of the video were corroborated by Noa means that it is not a Hamas propaganda video.

 

[Hog-train]

Hog,
The video that you posted was a scripted video written and recorded by Hamas while Noa was in captivity. You labeled it an "interview".

This is a massive goalpost shift on your part to imply that because parts of the events of the video were corroborated by Noa means that it is not a Hamas propaganda video.

The Instagram post was AFTER she was rescued. Nice try though.

 

[Aurelian]

Cool hypothetical but Israel isn't going to stop this war. They are attempting to flatten Gaza and completely take that land over, as well as the West Bank. They are doing what you seem to be implicating is the last choice...

Those were questions that need to be answered and addressed before Israel will be willing to give peace. They are not going to give autonomy to a group that is going to turn around and attack them for the 20th time in a year or two. In fact, repeated attacks against them is why the situation is what it was pre 10/7.

 

[Samjj]

The Instagram post was AFTER she was rescued. Nice try though.

Maybe you should spend more time vetting the links that you share. The caption reads "This was what Noa Argamani said before her release from Gaza"


"facts, bro"

Post in thread 'Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII'
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...a-state-of-war-vol-vii.4319796/post-174029504

 

[Hog-train]

Maybe you should spend more time vetting the links that you share. The caption reads "This was what Noa Argamani said before her release from Gaza"


"facts, bro"

Now you're resorting to straight up bold faced lying? This is a screenshot of her IG story. There is no caption and this came out after she gave numerous interviews in the media.

 

[Samjj]

Now you're resorting to straight up bold faced lying? This is a screenshot of her IG story. There is no caption and this came out after she gave numerous interviews in the media.

am I lying?

Is this another example of "durp, I never know what I post... you're senile not me!" or an intentional lie?

go read the post that you made again and get back to me. I will post it again for your convenience.

International - Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

I don't start fights, but I do finish them. Hypocritical pussy. And you're funny, my boy. After poisoning the wells now israeli settlers poison livestock of Palestinians. But hey it's not a terrorist colonialist state at all. Only democracy in the middle east yada yada No responses...

forums.sherdog.com

 

[Hog-train]

am I lying?

Is this another example of "durp, I never know what I post... you're senile not me!" or an intentional lie?

go read the post that you made again and get back to me. I will post it again for your convenience.

International - Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

I don't start fights, but I do finish them. Hypocritical pussy. And you're funny, my boy. After poisoning the wells now israeli settlers poison livestock of Palestinians. But hey it's not a terrorist colonialist state at all. Only democracy in the middle east yada yada No responses...

forums.sherdog.com

Now you're switching the goalposts after bold faced lying and saying this IG post was while in captivity.

She came out with this IG story after she testified at this G7 meeting in Tokyo below. She wanted to correct misconceptions that were being said in the media about her captivity.

 

[Samjj]

There is no caption and you're straight up lying. Now you're switching the goalposts after BOLD FACED LYING and saying this IG post was while in captivity.

She came out with this IG story after she testified at this G7 meeting in Tokyo below. She wanted to correct misconceptions that were being said in the media about her captivity.

so which is it? you're a chronic liar or a shitty poster who can't read?

 

[Hog-train]

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so which is it? you're a chronic liar or a shitty poster who can't read?

What is this supposed to prove? That clearly is labeled that this interview was while in captivity.

I'm talking about what is right above it at the top. Her testimony that she wasn't beat and her injuries were from the falling building due to bombing.

Apparently accurately reporting what happened is "propaganda" to you.

 

[Samjj]

What is this supposed to prove? That clearly is labeled that this interview was while in captivity.

I'm talking about what is right above it at the top. Her testimony that she wasn't beat and her injuries were from the falling building due to bombing.

Apparently accurately reporting what happened is "propaganda" to you.

So you lied or didn't read the link that you posted? Do you think that the Hamas video is propaganda?

 

[Hog-train]

So you lied or didn't read the link that you posted? Do you think that the Hamas video is propaganda?

Why would it be propaganda when it's an accurate portrayal of what happened. Pathetic reach.

It's only propaganda if things are deliberately misinterpreted or things are taken out of context or there are lies.

None of those things are here.

 

[Samjj]

Why would it be propaganda when it's an accurate portrayal of what happened. Pathetic reach.

Like I said. Brain broken.