International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

Does Mandy Patinkin have a valid point?

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He's not wrong, but he's missing another key flaw in the thread title.

This wasn't a surprise.
 
LeBron said:
What did I say wrong? Just call it a conflict or something . You know damn well what that title insinuates.
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Hog-train said:
You clearly painted most Palestinians as being for Hama's terrorist attacks several times. You're alluding to the Palestinian populace as supporting the genocide of Jews based on polling.

I don't mean you literally stated verbatim they're savage animals, but calling for genocide of anyone is the same exact shit. You're a savage if you advocate for genocide.

So it's completely hypocritical. Because on one hand, you're labeling all the Palestinian's beliefs - but completely discounting the actual statements of Israeli officials who have political power. And who have been voted in by Israeli people.













You falsely label things as "Hamas propaganda" without actually refuting anything.

In our last exchange, you didn't like me talking about UK arms shipments to Israel. So you went on some complete non-sequitur talking about a random Tucker Carlson guest I never heard about.
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You’re utterly dishonest, really.

The majority of Palestinians living in the WB and also Gaza have favored Hamas for years. This “manipulated” polling data is widely available and has been for a long time prior to Oct 7th. Claiming that the majority of the Palestinian populace supported Hamas (I don’t know what the reality is now in Gaza but their support remains strong in the WB) is a widely known fact. You pretending that making this claim is the same as you saying that a large portion of Israelis support the systematic extermination of Palestinians is just debate perverty and twisting of reality. It’s not based in anything quantifiable beyond your magical thinking and mind reading of Israeli society.

As per the labeling of Hamas propaganda.
I find it really fucking strange that you are defending this point. The video that you posted was written/recorded/edited/ and released by Hamas. It even has their watermark intro edited in the video. Do you still stand by your description that it was an “interesting interview?”

And to the last point, no I really didn’t give a shit about the article. If you were actually honest about any interaction ever on here you would recall that my criticism to you was based on your gaslighting of all allegations of antisemitism. Another instance in which you used an ad asburdum to further imply all accusations of antisemitism are bullshit. I brought up the historian (if you remember his hame or not that’s your problem) in this context who you have repeatedly posted links recommending his work.

The “non sequitur” criticism was aimed to suggest to you that you aren’t a good judge of what is actually antisemitic given you posted endorsements for a historian who has now been revealed as a holocaust denier. I said as much in that interaction and elaborated very clearly on that point. You claiming that “I didn’t like the article” that you posted is not even remotely close to representing the reality of that interaction and is just another example of you being dishonest.

Thanks for admitting you lied when you quoted me though.

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I see you ninja edited in order to throw in an insult at my “communication skills.” I have news for you buddy: your reading comprehension is the issue. You are a person with a painful lack of self awareness.
 
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The_Renaissance said:
Prime Pallywood. Don't see it happen too much now, but it was rife for a while. That's not to say there hasn't been untold suffering and death there, but that doesn't mean you can't laugh at this type of nonsense.
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Who's laughing?

For an area that supposedly dozens of kids are being killed every day they apparently can't find one to film a propaganda video.
 
Halifax said:
Israel capitalized on Hezbollah terrorists specifically asking it's operatives to ditch cell phones and adopt archaic technology nobody else uses and then Booby trapped the supply with explosives only strong enough to hurt the terrorists holding them.

In terms of collateral, no amount of whining over the very few non hezbollah who got hit is going to change the fact that it had a surgical success rate of like 500 to 1 and was straight out of a james Bond movie lol.

Hezbollah is supposed to be disarmed and not exist anyways. Lebanon signed on and promised to do so, then reneged. Tough shit terrorists
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Do you think Hamas capitalized on Israel's complacency on Oct 7?
 
Halifax said:
Think they have done splendidly in Gaza for a year of offense considering how the terrorists hide like bitches blending in to the populace and the density.

Had any other nation sent booby traps that got into the hands of near exclusively terrorist operatives who hide like pussy bitches among gen pop, I would have said the same thing. It was clever as fuck, and something I expect in a bond movie.

Come out in the open uniformed up and away from civilians and then come talk. Make it decisive. Until you do, keep crying while Israel keeps winning.

Until you do, hard choices and Grey areas get crossed. You don't get a free pass by blending in and Israel doesn't have to just sit there and take it
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You would have done well in Ukraine in 1943.
 
LeBron said:
A non-neutral mod, got it.
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Koya said:
When you update the title you'll be an honest man. Until then keep up with the memes.
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What exactly is wrong with the title? Did Hamas launch a surprise attack on Israel or not? Did Israel declare war after that or not? I'm confused about what's wrong with the title of the thread there's nothing factually incorrect about it at all.
 
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