Law Gun Control: A Global Overview

[shockaholic12]

Adding a bunch of electronics to your firearm sounds like a good way for your weapon to fail when you need it most. I don't want a smart gun at all.

That's the thing about technology, it just keeps getting better. At this moment are these systems reliable enough?

No probably not but at some point in the pretty near future that argument will cease to hold much water.

 

[Gutter Chris]

That's the thing about technology, it just keeps getting better. At this moment are these systems reliable enough?

No probably not but at some point in the pretty near future that argument will cease to hold much water.

Yea ...no thank you to that especially the tracker and bio trigger. I can see a lot of areas where the bio trigger could cost lives and there are plenty of legal and legit reasons i dont want to be the only person that can pull the trigger.I also don't want a government tracking device on me at all times. Yes your cellphone already tracks you and I don't like that but it's not the same as a government tracking program.

No thanks to any of what you want and I sure feel like my reasons hold water. I'm just not afraid of guns like you are.

 

[spamking]

Adding a bunch of electronics to your firearm sounds like a good way for your weapon to fail when you need it most. I don't want a smart gun at all.

Anyone who does is an idiot.

 

[shockaholic12]

Yea ...no thank you to that especially the tracker and bio trigger. I can see a lot of areas where the bio trigger could cost lives and there are plenty of legal and legit reasons i dont want to be the only person that can pull the trigger.I also don't want a government tracking device on me at all times. Yes your cellphone already tracks you and I don't like that but it's not the same as a government tracking program.

No thanks to any of what you want and I sure feel like my reasons hold water. I'm just not afraid of guns like you are.

I own guns. They don’t scare me when I walk by them. I am scared of how easily any fuck up can get one.

I can see a lot of dead school kids pile up when fuck ups get their hands on other folks guns.

A law could prohibit tracking your gun until it is lost, stolen, or used in a crime. At which point you have lost responsibility of it and it’s not even on you anymore so you aren’t being tracked.

 

[terrapin]

Perhaps it is a similar the approach taken to how gps in cars is used in court.

The government can mandate manufacturers include system to track the gun's movement but the government is not actually tracking you in real time.

Not until you have to report your gun leaving your possession (stolen or lost) must you report it for tracking or it is found to have been present at a crime scene then the government can demand to see it's tracking history.

I mean I do like that... honestly... except it doesn't address my issue with it, which is that a nefarious government will and can break those rules.

I'm not living in fear of my government or anything like that, but I do think it's a little naive (not you) If you look at history to let your guard down completely on that level and I think giving them the ability to track every gun in the country would be letting your guard down on that level.

I think biometric triggers would be a good enough way without crossing that line.

 

[terrapin]

Yea ...no thank you to that especially the tracker and bio trigger. I can see a lot of areas where the bio trigger could cost lives and there are plenty of legal and legit reasons i dont want to be the only person that can pull the trigger.I also don't want a government tracking device on me at all times. Yes your cellphone already tracks you and I don't like that but it's not the same as a government tracking program.

No thanks to any of what you want and I sure feel like my reasons hold water. I'm just not afraid of guns like you are.

I would definitely fight against the tracking system on a gun because the whole point of being able to defend yourself against your government is defeated if they can track it.

I am considering your position on the biometric trigger, but if they could be produced to be highly reliable, I would have no problem with it. I guess that's just something that would have to be vetted and proven to already be reliable before they were implemented. And also there's no way I would want it to only be able to be shot by one person. I just wouldn't mind having to register all the people that could shoot with it.

Like for me it would be my wife and I that could shoot it and then in a couple more years my daughter.

Also, in the case of having to defend ourselves against government intrusion, I suppose we could disable all of those implements if needed.

 

[Teppodama]

I would definitely fight against the tracking system on a gun because the whole point of being able to defend yourself against your government is defeated if they can track it.

I am considering your position on the biometric trigger, but if they could be produced to be highly reliable, I would have no problem with it. I guess that's just something that would have to be vetted and proven to already be reliable before they were implemented. And also there's no way I would want it to only be able to be shot by one person. I just wouldn't mind having to register all the people that could shoot with it.

Like for me it would be my wife and I that could shoot it and then in a couple more years my daughter.

Also, in the case of having to defend ourselves against government intrusion, I suppose we could disable all of those implements if needed.

If one could simply disable government intrusion when one desired there would be no reason for having the government intrusion to begin with. Why would your government allow that if their purpose was to track your firearm or you for that matter.

 

[Gutter Chris]

I own guns. They don’t scare me when I walk by them. I am scared of how easily any fuck up can get one.

I can see a lot of dead school kids pile up when fuck ups get their hands on other folks guns.

A law could prohibit tracking your gun until it is lost, stolen, or used in a crime. At which point you have lost responsibility of it and it’s not even on you anymore so you aren’t being tracked.

The amount of guns vs the incidents of guns being used badly tells me they most folks are being responsible with them. I can also think of a lot of things we could do to protect kids right now without messing with anyone's rights or asking them to do all kinds of silly nonsense to their weapons.

What you are proposing sounds absolutely Ludacris to me and also totally unconstitutional. I'm a free man and you want to treat me like a criminal and I've done absolutely nothing to warrant any such treatment to have any of these restrictions placed on me. Fuck that

 

[terrapin]

I own guns. They don’t scare me when I walk by them. I am scared of how easily any fuck up can get one.

I can see a lot of dead school kids pile up when fuck ups get their hands on other folks guns.

A law could prohibit tracking your gun until it is lost, stolen, or used in a crime. At which point you have lost responsibility of it and it’s not even on you anymore so you aren’t being tracked.

why not make safes a legal requirement and a person whose gun was not locked up goes to prison if their gun is stolen and used in a crime?

 

[terrapin]

If one could simply disable government intrusion when one desired there would be no reason for having the government intrusion to begin with. Why would your government allow that if their purpose was to track your firearm or you for that matter.

I suppose that was an I'll thought out position... I was thinking that they would know if/when you disabled it but not be able to trace you once that was done....


not the best idea I guess. I'm just new to this issue and thinking out loud i suppose.

I'd rather there be a way for law enforcement to know if your gun was stolen while locked away securely in a safe or whether or not you just left it out to be stolen.

 

[shockaholic12]

I mean I do like that... honestly... except it doesn't address my issue with it, which is that a nefarious government will and can break those rules.

I'm not living in fear of my government or anything like that, but I do think it's a little naive (not you) If you look at history to let your guard down completely on that level and I think giving them the ability to track every gun in the country would be letting your guard down on that level.

I think biometric triggers would be a good enough way without crossing that line.

I’m saying don’t have the government track anything. Don’t put the system in their possession. Manufacturers can be responsible for that just like it’s the company tracking your car around unit the government can meet the criteria to demand that info. We can subsided the costs for the companies if needed

Tracking info getting to the government would only occur in situations like presence during a crime or no longer in your possession.

I’m all for pushing back on surveillance in most areas except this one because of the scope of the issue.

 

[Gutter Chris]

I would definitely fight against the tracking system on a gun because the whole point of being able to defend yourself against your government is defeated if they can track it.

I am considering your position on the biometric trigger, but if they could be produced to be highly reliable, I would have no problem with it. I guess that's just something that would have to be vetted and proven to already be reliable before they were implemented. And also there's no way I would want it to only be able to be shot by one person. I just wouldn't mind having to register all the people that could shoot with it.

Like for me it would be my wife and I that could shoot it and then in a couple more years my daughter.

Also, in the case of having to defend ourselves against government intrusion, I suppose we could disable all of those implements if needed.

You got blood on your hands or are slick with sweat there's a good chance your bio trigger won't pull. You dont grip it perfect good chance it wont pull. What about gloves? You go down and your wife or kid picks up that weapon there's a good chance that trigger won't pull now because it's bloody dirty or wet. That bio trigger will get people.killed and it will make your weapon unreliable. Don't be fooled by that shit man it's a terrible idea and there's a lot of things that would make it fail under pressure that likely won't occur when life is calm. It's a fantasy that biological factors make an impossible reality.

Or how bout it's your drawer gun or its been in a safe for however long and now you need it right this second and the battery is dead. It's a terrible idea that deserves scorn and to be mocked.

 

[shockaholic12]

why not make safes a legal requirement and a person whose gun was not locked up goes to prison if their gun is stolen and used in a crime?

I agree with that but feel it’s a measure that doesn’t help locate the gun until after is been used and we need to address that because the black market is absolutely out of control.

 

[shockaholic12]

You got blood on your hands or are slick with sweat there's a good chance your bio trigger won't pull. You dont grip it perfect good chance it wont pull. What about gloves? You go down and your wife or kid picks up that weapon there's a good chance that trigger won't pull now because it's bloody dirty or wet. That bio trigger will get people.killed and it will make your weapon unreliable. Don't be fooled by that shit man it's a terrible idea and there's a lot of things that would make it fail under pressure that likely won't occur when life is calm. It's a fantasy that biological factors make an impossible reality.

Or how bout it's your drawer gun or its been in a safe for however long and now you need it right this second and the battery is dead. It's a terrible idea that deserves scorn and to be mocked.

You’re limiting the system to using finger prints. That’s not the limit of technology if we incentivized making this work.

 

[Gutter Chris]

why not make safes a legal requirement and a person whose gun was not locked up goes to prison if their gun is stolen and used in a crime?

While we are at it maybe we can jail people for wasting the cops time if they forgot to lock the door in the morning and someone robs them. Maybe rape victims for sexy clothing and being in public under the influence too. It's her fault for putting herself in that position.

Sounds absurd when you apply that logic to other crimes doesn't it.

 

[Gutter Chris]

You’re limiting the system to using finger prints. That’s not the limit of technology if we incentivized making this work.

What else ya got? I'll tell you reasons that will cause your weapon to fail when you need it most too.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

But life isn't the sentence for most violent crime. You have to let them out at some point.

- In my classes this week, i think monday. Teacher said rougly 90% of the prisioners will get out of jail/prison.

 

[Teppodama]

I suppose that was an I'll thought out position... I was thinking that they would know if/when you disabled it but not be able to trace you once that was done....


not the best idea I guess. I'm just new to this issue and thinking out loud i suppose.

I'd rather there be a way for law enforcement to know if your gun was stolen while locked away securely in a safe or whether or not you just left it out to be stolen.

There is no way to do so without having some form of tracking whether the item was in the safe such as having a "smart" safe that notes when a particular firearm is within it and when it is removed. That however would require some sort of RF chip or similar that the safe would pick up on. However, that doesn't cover scenarios where you are not at your home but do not actively have the firearm on you for some reason. For instance, you are visiting a relative and you are concealed carrying. You take the firearm off for some reason while there and they do not have a "smart" safe to store the firearm. One such scenario may be they have a pool and you will be swimming so you're obviously not wearing your firearm but may have it stored in the room you are staying in at said relative's home.

Or you have it with you concealed carry but will be entering a specific location where firearms are completely off limits such as a federal building such as a court. Typically the firearm owner would then leave the firearm in their vehicle.

Now, one could say the firearm owner should have a portable firearm safe, which exist but again it would require said safe to be able to tell when a given firearm is within the safe and when it was removed. All of which goes back to the problem of having something on the firearm itself that would allow for some form of tracking whether by good or bad actors.

 

[Gutter Chris]

I agree with that but feel it’s a measure that doesn’t help locate the gun until after is been used and we need to address that because the black market is absolutely out of control.

Seems like this could be abused by someone to stalk someone , the government to have some server that tracks and stores everywhere you go , as well as someone to breach that database, find some really good sources to steal guns and then removing the tracker. You know like a criminal business and not just like a dopefiend breakin in to grab whatever they get lucky enough to get

This is all in a perfect world pie in the sky nonsense because you feel helpless to the fact that real evil exists in this world and want to do something about it. The road to hell can be paved with the best intentions and you don't seem to have stress tested your great idea in the slightest

 

[shockaholic12]

While we are at it maybe we can jail people for wasting the cops time if they forgot to lock the door in the morning and someone robs them. Maybe rape victims for sexy clothing and being in public under the influence too. It's her fault for putting herself in that position.

Sounds absurd when you apply that logic to other crimes doesn't it.

Are there pyschos taking stolen flatscreen TVs or drunk chicks in a mini-skirt and murdering a couple dozen kids and adults in public spaces lately?

Sounds absurd when you compare those circumstances to firearms doesn't it?