Law Gun Control: A Global Overview

LangfordBarrow said:
You can't lock people up forever and unfortunately whatever sentence they receive doesn't mean they're going to be rehabilitated once they get out.
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Roughly 53,000 people in [US] American prisons are serving LWOP. And that number doesn’t include the nearly 44,000 people in prison who are serving virtual life sentences of 50 or more years.
 
650lb Sumo said:
Roughly 53,000 people in [US] American prisons are serving LWOP. And that number doesn’t include the nearly 44,000 people in prison who are serving virtual life sentences of 50 or more years.
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I could have stated that better. Yes, some people earn the sentence of LWOP, I meant you can't lock people up forever when the max sentence for their crime is 10 or 20 years.
 
LangfordBarrow said:
But life isn't the sentence for most violent crime. You have to let them out at some point.
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Would letting them out not indicate whoever releases them feels they are ready to be a part of society? I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's always that simple. Each case is unique, and sentences are often subject to judicial discretion, especially when considering the circumstances surrounding the crime.
 
spamking said:
Would letting them out not indicate whoever releases them feels they are ready to be a part of society? I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's always that simple. Each case is unique, and sentences are often subject to judicial discretion, especially when considering the circumstances surrounding the crime.
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It would for parole. Some people just finish their sentences without ever getting out on parole. It is a complicated issue but some people merit losing some rights like driving before they commit an infraction that would get them sentenced to LWOP.
 
shockaholic12 said:
I mean sure it's a step but if I'm understanding what you're proposing correctly it's all still punitive measures taken after the wrong person gets possession of the weapon they should not have access to and hinges on hoping that cops luckily come across them carrying the guns before they use it.

I don't think this has a great affect except maybe building more prisons.
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It will control criminals without punishment law abiding citizens for the criminals actions.
 
oldshadow said:
It will control criminals without punishment law abiding citizens for the criminals actions.
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Ok but it doesn't really do anything to stop criminals from getting them in the first place, which to me seems like the issue society wants to address.

This just hopes cops catch them carrying illegally after the fact. Which I think renders it not that impactful.
 
spamking said:
I'm sure that's a popular place to sell privately, but there are plenty of other gun groups and forums where face-to-face private sales happen.

I'm fine with private sellers wanting to trade/sell at a show, but I don't like the fact that so many try to play private seller when they have a table full of a dozen firearms they're trying to sell without an FFL. Especially if they set up at multiple shows. You're in the business of selling firearms. Get an FFL.
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It's also true that a lot of dealers sell their "private" guns at gun shows.

There are lots and lots of guns at every single gun show that can be bought without a background check. It's a known problem.
 
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spamking said:
Would letting them out not indicate whoever releases them feels they are ready to be a part of society? I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's always that simple. Each case is unique, and sentences are often subject to judicial discretion, especially when considering the circumstances surrounding the crime.
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Unfortunately the prison system is not remotely designed to rehabilitate criminals. It's a punitive system.

It's how long can we punish you for this approach, not how do we make you a better fit for society.
 
terrapin said:
It's also true that a lot of dealers sell their "private" guns at gun shows.

There are lots and lots of guns at every single gun show that can be bought without a background check. It's a known problem.
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What is the problem? I keep hearing this but how many crimes are committed from guns bought from gun shows in private transactions?
 
Rob Battisti said:
What is the problem? I keep hearing this but how many crimes are committed from guns bought from gun shows in private transactions?
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that's not my position. it was the position of another poster that guns are NOT sold at gun shows without a background check. I am just correcting that misinformation.

but more broadly I am in favor of there needing to be a background check in all gun transactions for all trades, gifts and sales.
 
shockaholic12 said:
Ok but it doesn't really do anything to stop criminals from getting them in the first place, which to me seems like the issue society wants to address.

This just hopes cops catch them carrying illegally after the fact. Which I think renders it not that impactful.
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If only y'all would stop there.
 
My Spot said:
If only y'all would stop there.
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Right, I forgot you have to be the victim here so this isn’t about people wanting to address the fuck ups constantly shooting up our schools and communities…it’s really about you and some a secret plot to disarm you.
 
shockaholic12 said:
Right, I forgot you have to be the victim here so this isn’t about people wanting to address the fuck ups constantly shooting up our schools and communities…it’s really about you and some a secret plot to disarm you.
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You're the one who wants an AWB, not me.
 
all I know is that I'm getting this gun and its going to get "stolen" before anyone gets it from me. I've found THE shotgun for me.

 
shockaholic12 said:
Ok but it doesn't really do anything to stop criminals from getting them in the first place, which to me seems like the issue society wants to address.

This just hopes cops catch them carrying illegally after the fact. Which I think renders it not that impactful.
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Approx like this it was always....all countries and all times.
Average citizens you might prevent to have guns.
Hardcore criminals anyway will get them and all depends just from connections they does have and price they will pay.
If Hitler and Stalin weren't able to prevent seasoned hardcore criminals to have guns.... then....reality.

It is like with weed ...in countries where it is illegal clients anyway might get this, just from this are earning gangs and mafia.
Where it is legal, government might get tax paid for budget..

U.S once had managed to pump mafia rich with their famous alco ban. Mafia and gangs turned into rich organizations....

USSR had banned for example to play cards for money and during some timeframe had restricted official alco sales timeframes...
Guess what happened? Large underground black markets, blackmail options and .....Russian mafia had born.

For example without legal casino type stuff gambling and ability to play cards for money still did had existed. Also fast loans for this....
While there were huge options to blackmail you cos if authorities get to know that you did this, your career had been done....
Also ofc such debts wasn't possible to collect legally and therefore gangs were used......
 
For example a lot of ppl worship USSR idea and are thinking dreams.

If someone might dream about order where used cars might be more expensive than new ones, welcome....

The reason was that in order to purchase new car you should get put in " waiting list " and reach your rights to purchase. ...and even if you had for example these 5600 for car, maybe they had told to wait year or two years etc....
While you might go to used cars market, there someone will sell 2 years old or more fresh car for maybe 7000....with clause that you will list in sales contract that you had paid him lesser! than these 5600...while in reality you will pay these 7000.
So first step into beautiful Soviet Union dream reality.
 
terrapin said:
it was the position of another poster that guns are NOT sold at gun shows without a background check. I am just correcting that misinformation.
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This isn't directed at my comments is it?
 
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