Law Questions on the Supreme Court Taking on Birthright Citizenship

[Sinister]

Is that not a demonstratable fact?

I believe that statistics show 90% of America was white in 1950 and projected to be 47% (almost HALF) of that in 2050.

The implication is that it's some kind of political plot as opposed to a collection of occurrences, not the least of which is our incessant interference with the Governments of Central and South American Nations.

Immigration to Imperialist Countries is a direct result of Imperialist policies, but bratty entitled Americans have convinced themselves that CERTAIN immigrants are here to rob them and do crime.

 

[Sinister]

What would Marx say......

Marx would say that based on the ACTUAL argument of Dredd Scott and its overturning, as well as US v Wong, its unquestionable that children of undocumented immigrants born on US soil are US citizens.

 

[William Huggins]

Marx would say that based on the ACTUAL argument of Dredd Scott and its overturning, as well as US v Wong, its unquestionable that children of undocumented immigrants born on US soil are US citizens.

As long as they weren't black or Jewish maybe

 

[Sinister]

As long as they weren't black or Jewish maybe

Good thing I dont actually give a f*ck what Marx would say and answered you rhetorically then, eh?

 

[Limbo Pete]

Oh sure, you (someone that doesn't use AI) are an authority over someone that uses AI about AI.

Nice gaslighting, when you have no idea what you are talking about but accuse others of the ignorance you have. Lol.

Hello, Computer! Do one history for me, please!

 

[William Huggins]

Good thing I dont actually give a f*ck what Marx would say and answered you rhetorically then, eh?

Says the one quoting the communist manifesto and constantly moaning like a bitch about how terrible capitalism is..........

Oh wait let's try socialism again......... Because you know it wasn't proper Socialism before.......and it's definitely going to work this time......

I'll save humanity another 100 million and just say, this is true socialism.......this is how it ends.....

Behavioral sink - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[kflo]

it is puzzling how the very simple amendment language is somehow ambiguous. if you want to change it, propose a new amendment.

 

[Limbo Pete]

it is puzzling how the very simple amendment language is somehow ambiguous. if you want to change it, propose a new amendment.

Because without functional checks on the SC, they can do whatever they want and justify it however they want

 

[Sinister]

Says the one quoting the communist manifesto and constantly moaning like a bitch about how terrible capitalism is..........

Oh wait let's try socialism again......... Because you know it wasn't proper Socialism before.......and it's definitely going to work this time......

I'll save humanity another 100 million and just say, this is true socialism.......this is how it ends.....

Behavioral sink - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ad-honinem and red herring. You have nothing to add to this thread except the fact that you dislike me. You offer nothing on the subject matter at hand, so all you got is thos masturbatory dribble that consistently demonstrates not only the uselessness of your posts, but that you have utterly zero idea how to contend with any of the points.

You peaked in High School, buddy. Its alright. It's not over yet. My bleeding heart Commie Socialoat Marxist racist sensibility believes in you.

 

[William Huggins]

Ad-honinem and red herring. You have nothing to add to this thread except the fact that you dislike me. You offer nothing on the subject matter at hand, so all you got is thos masturbatory dribble that consistently demonstrates not only the uselessness of your posts, but that you have utterly zero idea how to contend with any of the points.

You peaked in High School, buddy. Its alright. It's not over yet. My bleeding heart Commie Socialoat Marxist racist sensibility believes in you.

Thank you

 

[Sinister]

it is puzzling how the very simple amendment language is somehow ambiguous. if you want to change it, propose a new amendment.

Neo-Confederates aren't stupid enough to think they can get enough States to usher back in Pre-Civil Rights or even Pre-Civil War styled policies designed to tier citizenship based on race, gender, and economic class. So instead these disgruntled Think Tank mediocre narcissists try to sneak in their desires disguised as crackpot legal theories, and then dumber angry working class people go online and dig up their contentions as if they are authoritative support for the notions.

The Claremont Institute are idiots who, as I said, just institutionalized the worst aspects of being a MAGAtard, like Q-Anon, Pizza Gate, and re-packaged sanitized Confederate ideologies. Like the idea that birthright citizenship doesnt extend to undocumented immigrants

However I still gotta dig at you a little bit for being part of the problem of helping along this political climate where now we're having to contend with this level of civic idiocy, as I distinctly recall you saying you were voting for Trump because you make sh*tloads of money or some sh*t.

 

[avenue94]

Because it doesn't mention ex slaves aren't entitled, ex slaves aren't classed under the exceptions......

Considering the common law position, it's either 2 things that I can see, those that wrote it had the foresight to see they shouldn't be included or that the common law position was clear that ex slaves weren't classed any better than chattel that you've let go in the field......

It's plainly the latter lol

 

[William Huggins]

It's plainly the latter lol

I don't think it is that plain........ considering how the US was so split over the subject and the wars that have been fought over it.........by the US and the UK...........

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

you were voting for Trump because you make sh*tloads of money or some sh*t.

Yeah, that's surely the reason.

 

[kflo]

Neo-Confederates aren't stupid enough to think they can get enough States to usher back in Pre-Civil Rights or even Pre-Civil War styled policies designed to tier citizenship based on race, gender, and economic class. So instead these disgruntled Think Tank mediocre narcissists try to sneak in their desires disguised as crackpot legal theories, and then dumber angry working class people go online and dig up their contentions as if they are authoritative support for the notions.

The Claremont Institute are idiots who, as I said, just institutionalized the worst aspects of being a MAGAtard, like Q-Anon, Pizza Gate, and re-packaged sanitized Confederate ideologies. Like the idea that birthright citizenship doesnt extend to undocumented immigrants

However I still gotta dig at you a little bit for being part of the problem of helping along this political climate where now we're having to contend with this level of civic idiocy, as I distinctly recall you saying you were voting for Trump because you make sh*tloads of money or some sh*t.

i voted for him and think he's done some positives during this term. i said i was holding my nose voting for him, and he's obviously done alot of harm as well. and he's a total pos as a human. but i can vote for someone and not shoulder the burden of every bad thing they do. i call it as i see it, and criticize where i see fit to criticize.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

@Sinister
Here ya go. A perfect explanation of 'anchor babies,' since you insist on not understanding the term.



Did you know of 'Birth Tourism?'

Birth tourism is when someone travels to another country specifically to give birth there so their child can receive that country’s citizenship (or other legal/benefit advantages) at birth.

Why people do it​

Motives vary, but common reasons include:

• Birthright citizenship (e.g., the U.S., Canada): The baby automatically becomes a citizen, which can provide long-term benefits like easier education, work opportunities, or future immigration options.
• Higher-quality medical care during childbirth.
• Political or economic stability in the destination country.
• Avoiding restrictions in the home country (e.g., past one-child policies).

How it works​

A pregnant person enters another country—often on a tourist visa—then gives birth while legally present.
The child gets citizenship (if that country uses jus soli, or birthright citizenship), but the parents do not automatically gain immigration status.

Controversies​

• Some argue it strains public resources or is abused for immigration benefits.
• Others think it's a personal choice and a lawful use of travel and medical services as long as visas aren't obtained fraudulently.

Apparently it was such a problem the US Government had to crack down on it.

Crackdown on Birth Tourism, U.S. Consular Authorities Tighten Visa Policies

The new crackdown on birth tourism ensure that visas are used only for their stated purposes and to prevent misuse of the immigration system.

visafortheunitedstates.com

And those are the women that give birth and go back to the country they're from, and raise the kid for them to return to the USA as an adult.

Gonna take guess how many enter illegally, give birth, and stay here?

 

[Sinister]

i voted for him and think he's done some positives during this term. i said i was holding my nose voting for him, and he's obviously done alot of harm as well. and he's a total pos as a human. but i can vote for someone and not shoulder the burden of every bad thing they do. i call it as i see it, and criticize where i see fit to criticize.

You don't have to shoulder the burden of every bad thing they do, but when other people's Constitutional rights are gutted and routinely violated, as well as the rule of law largely ignored, not to mention working class protections disappeared in favor of corporate interests, I think this situation requires a large amount of reflection even if you're profiting from it.

You're in a thread where we are discussing the validity of a Constitutional Amendment that solidified protection under the law for entire generations of US citizens with the same dreams and goals as you, and this political climate demonstrates that that's directly under threat. As I mentioned earlier, if say, the requisite for citizenship becomes that both parents must have been US Citizens at the time of a child's birth, or if its relegated to just the Father, I lose my citizenship in an instant and so do all 3 of my Sons. So forgive me for not being moved by the hand-waving that other people have and may still suffer the consequences of the decision of yours and numerous others.

 

[Sinister]

@Sinister
Here ya go. A perfect explanation of 'anchor babies,' since you insist on not understanding the term.



Did you know of 'Birth Tourism?'

Birth tourism is when someone travels to another country specifically to give birth there so their child can receive that country’s citizenship (or other legal/benefit advantages) at birth.

Why people do it​

Motives vary, but common reasons include:

• Birthright citizenship (e.g., the U.S., Canada): The baby automatically becomes a citizen, which can provide long-term benefits like easier education, work opportunities, or future immigration options.
• Higher-quality medical care during childbirth.
• Political or economic stability in the destination country.
• Avoiding restrictions in the home country (e.g., past one-child policies).

How it works​

A pregnant person enters another country—often on a tourist visa—then gives birth while legally present.
The child gets citizenship (if that country uses jus soli, or birthright citizenship), but the parents do not automatically gain immigration status.

Controversies​

• Some argue it strains public resources or is abused for immigration benefits.
• Others think it's a personal choice and a lawful use of travel and medical services as long as visas aren't obtained fraudulently.

Apparently it was such a problem the US Government had to crack down on it.

Crackdown on Birth Tourism, U.S. Consular Authorities Tighten Visa Policies

The new crackdown on birth tourism ensure that visas are used only for their stated purposes and to prevent misuse of the immigration system.

visafortheunitedstates.com

And those are the women that give birth and go back to the country they're from, and raise the kid for them to return to the USA as an adult.

Gonna take guess how many enter illegally, give birth, and stay here?

For the third time, the Dredd Scott decision hinged on the EXACT same argument you dimwits, and this dimwit, are making in this video about undocumented immigrants. The notion that freed slaves automatically became African citizens because that's what they always were. And that their children are the children of African citizens and not Americans. The American Colonization Society was making the case to deport freed slaves, and deny their children citizenship based on the exact same premise under Dredd Scott.

That entire premise for deciding citizenship was overturned by the 14th Amendment. And applied to non-citizen immigrants via US v Wong.

This argument continues to fail even the slightest bit of scrutiny despite your TikTok and AI efforts to demonstrate otherwise. You're just wrong.

Your own reference clearly states that parents of US Citizen children are not automatically granted citizenship. That right there dispels the entire myth of the "anchor baby." So far all your AI slop shows is that the US Historically had good medical services for pregnant Mothers, and that the US Citizen child has access to things every other US Citizen has. What groundbreaking revelations! The kid gets treated like a US Citizen because that's what they are, and the parents are not granted citizenship until MAYBE nearly 2 f*ckin decades later when the kid is 18 and can sponsor them. Or nearly 2 decades later the US Citizen kid can come back and live where they were born.

Oh my Lord!! Such legal travesty!!

 

[AWilder]

@Sinister
Here ya go. A perfect explanation of 'anchor babies,' since you insist on not understanding the term.



Did you know of 'Birth Tourism?'

Birth tourism is when someone travels to another country specifically to give birth there so their child can receive that country’s citizenship (or other legal/benefit advantages) at birth.

Why people do it​

Motives vary, but common reasons include:

• Birthright citizenship (e.g., the U.S., Canada): The baby automatically becomes a citizen, which can provide long-term benefits like easier education, work opportunities, or future immigration options.
• Higher-quality medical care during childbirth.
• Political or economic stability in the destination country.
• Avoiding restrictions in the home country (e.g., past one-child policies).

How it works​

A pregnant person enters another country—often on a tourist visa—then gives birth while legally present.
The child gets citizenship (if that country uses jus soli, or birthright citizenship), but the parents do not automatically gain immigration status.

Controversies​

• Some argue it strains public resources or is abused for immigration benefits.
• Others think it's a personal choice and a lawful use of travel and medical services as long as visas aren't obtained fraudulently.

Apparently it was such a problem the US Government had to crack down on it.

Crackdown on Birth Tourism, U.S. Consular Authorities Tighten Visa Policies

The new crackdown on birth tourism ensure that visas are used only for their stated purposes and to prevent misuse of the immigration system.

visafortheunitedstates.com

And those are the women that give birth and go back to the country they're from, and raise the kid for them to return to the USA as an adult.

Gonna take guess how many enter illegally, give birth, and stay here?

AI and tiktok, what a combo

 

[kflo]

You don't have to shoulder the burden of every bad thing they do, but when other people's Constitutional rights are gutted and routinely violated, as well as the rule of law largely ignored, not to mention working class protections disappeared in favor of corporate interests, I think this situation requires a large amount of reflection even if you're profiting from it.

You're in a thread where we are discussing the validity of a Constitutional Amendment that solidified protection under the law for entire generations of US citizens with the same dreams and goals as you, and this political climate demonstrates that that's directly under threat. As I mentioned earlier, if say, the requisite for citizenship becomes that both parents must have been US Citizens at the time of a child's birth, or if its relegated to just the Father, I lose my citizenship in an instant and so do all 3 of my Sons. So forgive me for not being moved by the hand-waving that other people have and may still suffer the consequences of the decision of yours and numerous others.

well, not apologizing. and im not in a swing state.