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Law Gun Control: A Global Overview

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What does gun control mean and represent to you?

I don't doubt that many of the ordinary citizens who advocate for it do so with the best of intentions. But for me, it is fundamentally the de facto enabling of authoritarian government actions (large scale) and violent criminals (small scale) by depriving the liberty of law-abiding citizens from exercising what I consider a fundamental human right and one that is also an explicitly enumerated Constitutional right in the United States. It strips the legal backing and means of people to protect their person, family, and property. It is utterly indefensible, intolerable, and unconscionable on every conceivable level.





Contrary to popular (and defeatist) belief of some Ameribros, 2A rights have not been increasingly infringed upon and restricted in the 21st century where the law is actually concerned. In fact, they have expanded if anything, at least where keeping and bearing firearms for the explicit purpose of self-defense is concerned. This is not to say there hasn't been a large effort or perpetual threats made from activist groups and government officials to do so. They are just simply losing, and they need to keep losing indefinitely -- on local, state, and federal levels alike.

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District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States. It ruled that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms—unconnected with service in a militia—for traditionally lawful purposes such as self-defense within the home, and that the District of Columbia's handgun ban and requirement that lawfully owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.

McDonald v. City of Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 (2010), was a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States that found that the right of an individual to keep and bear arms, as protected under the Second Amendment, is incorporated by the Fourteenth Amendment and is thereby enforceable against the states. The decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states.

New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc. v. Bruen, 597 U.S. 1 (2022), is a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States related to the Second Amendment. The ruling struck down the Sullivan Act, a 1911 New York state law requiring applicants for a concealed carry license to show "proper cause" or "special need". Expanding on the landmark District of Columbia v. Heller decision, the court ruled that the Second Amendment also protects an individual's right to carry a firearm in public for the purposes of self-defense.



 
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In the UK, it's almost impossible to legally own anything other than a shotgun, and even then there are serious restrictions. For example, a shotgun is allowed to hold a maximum of three cartridges at any one time. If the capacity is higher, it requires a Firearms Licence, which is much more difficult to get than an SL.

The vast majority of Replica Firearms are illegal to own unless one can prove to be an Actor etc who needs one as a prop.

Britain has some of the most draconian firearms legislation in the world. Strangely, this does not prevent members of Organised Crime Groups shooting each other and, much more importantly, civilians, on a regular basis. Difficult though it is for politicians to understand, if a criminal is willing to risk a life sentence to commit murder, he won't much care that the murder weapon itself is illegal. :rolleyes:

Of course, one positive aspect of the UK's gun laws is that school shootings almost never happen.

Our children have to knife each other to death instead. ;)
 
I think it depends on the country. In the US it's an important part of the constitution and there's so many guns in society that banning them would essentially be pointless imo. In the UK there aren't many guns in circulation and there isn't any genuine desire by a significant amount of the public to own a gun. If you had a UK referendum on gun ownership I'm confident an overwhelming majority would vote for them to remain illegal.
 
In the UK, it's almost impossible to legally own anything other than a shotgun, and even then there are serious restrictions. For example, a shotgun is allowed to hold a maximum of three cartridges at any one time. If the capacity is higher, it requires a Firearms Licence, which is much more difficult to get than an SL.

The vast majority of Replica Firearms are illegal to own unless one can prove to be an Actor etc who needs one as a prop.

Britain has some of the most draconian firearms legislation in the world. Strangely, this does not prevent members of Organised Crime Groups shooting each other and, much more importantly, civilians, on a regular basis. Difficult though it is for politicians to understand, if a criminal is willing to risk a life sentence to commit murder, he won't much care that the murder weapon itself is illegal. :rolleyes:

Of course, one positive aspect of the UK's gun laws is that school shootings almost never happen.

Our children have to knife each other to death instead. ;)

It's fucking tragic that you have essentially no gun rights over there, especially given the general interest and knowledge about firearms of all types that I've seen you display over the years.
 
I speak on this issue solely from an American perspective, and I’ve done this quite a few times in the WR.

In a nutshell: The SCOTUS has taken on more 2A cases since 2008 than they had in our entire nation’s history up to that point—and they have gotten all of them dreadfully, terribly wrong.

What I advocate in general is for the 2A to function the way it did from 1792-2008.

—The 2A is NOT meant to be incorporated to the states. The states have power to regulate firearms as they see fit, in accordance with state constitutions.
—The standard outlined in Bruen is ridiculous, sloppy, vague, and totally unworkable.

All sorts of things that the NRA and gun lobbies have convinced Americans are unconstitutional are not unconstitutional at all: e.g., safe storage laws, may-issue permits, gun registries, prohibition on certain people owning firearms, bans on certain types of weapons.

The 2A is not about individual self defense. There is no 2A right to public carry unconnected with organized militia service.

Unfortunately, SCOTUS has screwed the pooch so badly that I don’t see a way out aside from amending the Constitution. But with McDonald and then Bruen, they have doomed us to a reality where states’ hands are tied from passing common-sense laws to try and protect the citizenry.
 
It's fucking tragic that you have essentially no gun rights over there, especially given the general interest and knowledge about firearms of all types that I've seen you display over the years.

There's no demand for it dude. From polls I've seen the majority of Brits think gun control should be even tighter.
 
There's no demand for it dude. From polls I've seen the majority of Brits think gun control should be even tighter.

I was referring to @KnightTemplar as an individual. Clearly, a majority of the UK as a whole has no particular interest or knowledge about firearms, much less a desire for the right of citizens at large to keep and bear them.
 
There's no demand for it dude. From polls I've seen the majority of Brits think gun control should be even tighter.

Disagree. I've been to Army recruiting events, and teenagers are falling over themselves to get a chance to try the various weapons systems. The gym I go to is run by Edinburgh Uni, and it has it's own rifle shooting club and firing range. There's a waiting list to join, even though a student has to provide his own rifle and licence.

The demand is there.
 
Disagree. I've been to Army recruiting events, and teenagers are falling over themselves to get a chance to try the various weapons systems. The gym I go to is run by Edinburgh Uni, and it has it's own rifle shooting club and firing range. There's a waiting list to join, even though a student has to provide his own rifle and licence.

The demand is there.

There's some people who would want to own a gun sure but the majority don't.
 
There's some people who would want to own a gun sure but the majority don't.

But the law as it stands means that even a significant minority who want to own firearms are not allowed to do so.

Were I a cynic - oh, Heaven forfend! ;) - I might speculate that a driving force behind firearms restrictions is the government's desire to make sure they keep a monopoly on the ability to apply armed force.
 
But the law as it stands means that even a significant minority who want to own firearms are not allowed to do so.

Were I a cynic - oh, Heaven forfend! ;) - I might speculate that a driving force behind firearms restrictions is the government's desire to make sure they keep a monopoly on the ability to apply armed force.


Everyone knows it's that. That's not a conspiracy theory.
 
Canadian gun control groups are fucking retarded. They focus on banning legal guns and attacking legal gun owners rather than indigenous people smuggling guns in from the US. The same idiots will try to ban the SKS rifle yet vote for a govt that has a catch and release for gun criminals.
 
In the US we have more then enough gun control already. It's a fundamental right like freedom of speech and should looked at in the same way.

What we need here is more criminal control.

The anti 2nd here believe its the guns fault the criminal is a criminal so let's take the guns.
 
In the US we have more then enough gun control already. It's a fundamental right like freedom of speech and should looked at in the same way.

What we need here is more criminal control.

The anti 2nd here believe its the guns fault the criminal is a criminal so let's take the guns.

No, retard, the idea is to make it harder for criminals to get guns by putting basic background checks in place, and licensing people.

Less strict gun laws have led to a crisis of mass shootings that morons like you seem committed to preventing anyone from stopping
 
In the US we have more then enough gun control already. It's a fundamental right like freedom of speech and should looked at in the same way.

What we need here is more criminal control.

The anti 2nd here believe its the guns fault the criminal is a criminal so let's take the guns.

I wish US gun rights were as pro-liberty as a lot of foreigners tend to think they are. Okay, the level of individual liberty relative to the rest of the world is beyond Earth's atmosphere, and people believe we are completely batshit insane (nice). But it has not been without a series of heavy-handed, top-down federal government regulations passed by US Congress throughout the years, including:

* National Firearms Act of 1934
* Gun Control Act of 1968
* Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986

And yes, it is more than enough. Fuck the ATF.
 
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