Law Gun Control: A Global Overview

[spamking]

It's also true that a lot of dealers sell their "private" guns at gun shows.

I'm not sure why this distinction needs to be made. If an FFL completes a 4473 when they buy a gun from themself it can then be sold privately based on their state's law. Doing so at a high-profile gun show and playing like all of the guns for sale have already been sold to you and can therefore be sold privately isn't very smart and is exactly the type of dealer we don't need.

There are lots and lots of guns at every single gun show that can be bought without a background check. It's a known problem.

I never said there weren't private sales at gun shows. I'm pushing back at the notion that no background checks are completed at gun shows implying that everyone buys at the show without going through the background check process. FFLs who sell at a gun show MUST complete a 4473 for every sale and update their A&D book accordingly.

Private sales aren't the problem.

 

[terrapin]

I'm not sure why this distinction needs to be made. If an FFL completes a 4473 when they buy a gun from themself it can then be sold privately based on their state's law. Doing so at a high-profile gun show and playing like all of the guns for sale have already been sold to you and can therefore be sold privately isn't very smart and is exactly the type of dealer we don't need.

I never said there weren't private sales at gun shows. I'm pushing back at the notion that no background checks are completed at gun shows implying that everyone buys at the show without going through the background check process. FFLs who sell at a gun show MUST complete a 4473 for every sale and update their A&D book accordingly.

Private sales aren't the problem.

But it does happen and isna loophole. That's why that distinction needs to be made.

Nobody said NO background checks happen at gun shows.

 

[spamking]

But it does happen and isna loophole. That's why that distinction needs to be made.

A private sale is a private sale. What is the point saying an FFL might also sell privately?

Nobody said NO background checks happen at gun shows.

That's the entire premise behind the idiotic "gun show loophole" myth gun control groups use to push for universal background checks.

 

[My Spot]

Not even just assault weapons at that. But you’d still have access to firearms. So not disarmed. You know, like most of the 1st world.

So you want to disarm tens of millions of Americans.

 

[filthybliss]

I'm pretty indifferent to guns. I think most people are in agreement that firearms should probably be kept out of the hands of minors and people with mental illness.

I think blanketed gun ban or variations of it beyond that is a bandage solution for a bigger and more complex problem of the mental illness disaster thats been crippling a lot of the country. It is easier to blame the firearms than to blame the lack of healthcare or the shortage of psychiatrists in the country.

 

[shockaholic12]

So you want to disarm tens of millions of Americans.

Of some weapons? Yes like the rest of the first world. We already disarm people of all sorts of weapons while still giving them access to handguns, rifles and shotguns so they aren't actually disarmed.

 

[spamking]

Approval times are at an all-time low. No longer waiting for months to a year has had a big impact on suppressor purchases.

 

[spamking]

 

[Jonny Ninja]

Well I would question some of those statistics anyway because a lot of places in the UK have universal healthcare and so they have access to psychological care and huge social net which can really ramp down the fear and sense of isolation people feel.

The NHS is fuckin broke and people that get therapeutic help for mental illness are those that can afford to pay privately, same as in states. You’re deluded if you think the NHS is forking out hundreds of £s an hour for psychologists.

 

[terrapin]

The NHS is fuckin broke and people that get therapeutic help for mental illness are those that can afford to pay privately, same as in states. You’re deluded if you think the NHS is forking out hundreds of £s an hour for psychologists.

Thank you for this post minus the vitriol and anger.

Still, there are much better social safety nets in Europe for most people and I suspect that leads to a better quality of life, less despair, less nihilism and less violence.

 

[terrapin]

I am for lots of gun control measures like requiring them to be locked up in safes, requiring registration for all guns, and requiring all sales to be registered with the gov and waiting periods between purchase and take home and making people liable if a gun is not stored properly and then a crime is committed with that gun and possibly bio-metric triggers on all new guns sold after the law was passed to require them (government subsidized).

but just so I'm not misunderstood.... this is almost certainly my next gun purchase.

 

[Rob Battisti]

all I know is that I'm getting this gun and its going to get "stolen" before anyone gets it from me. I've found THE shotgun for me.

I was about to tag you until I saw it was YOU who posted this lol

 

[My Spot]

Yes

 

[shockaholic12]

I am for lots of gun control measures like requiring them to be locked up in safes, requiring registration for all guns, and requiring all sales to be registered with the gov and waiting periods between purchase and take home and making people liable if a gun is not stored properly and then a crime is committed with that gun and possibly bio-metric triggers on all new guns sold after the law was passed to require them (government subsidized).

but just so I'm not misunderstood.... this is almost certainly my next gun purchase.

Technology in the end is the near future solution. Bio-meteric triggers, being able to track individual guns or be alerted when a gun has entered an area, bullet tracing etc.

 

[terrapin]

Technology in the end is the near future solution. Bio-meteric triggers, being able to track individual guns or be alerted when a gun has entered an area, bullet tracing etc.

I'm a little surprised you mentioned this though. Wouldn't you be against these measures??

Or if you're not, wouldn't you see a lot of gun rights activists as being against that kind of thing??

 

[terrapin]

I am for lots of gun control measures like requiring them to be locked up in safes, requiring registration for all guns, and requiring all sales to be registered with the gov and waiting periods between purchase and take home and making people liable if a gun is not stored properly and then a crime is committed with that gun and possibly bio-metric triggers on all new guns sold after the law was passed to require them (government subsidized).

but just so I'm not misunderstood.... this is almost certainly my next gun purchase.


[/QUO. TE]
Yeah man that's the one for me as far as I can tell. I mean I'm still looking but that's a freaking incredible gun and it's got a real nice recoil reducing system that makes a big difference they say.

15 rounds of bird shot for home defense? Yeah I'll take. 15 rounds of buckshot for the zombie apocalypse? Yeah, I'll take that.

 

[shockaholic12]

I'm a little surprised you mentioned this though. Wouldn't you be against these measures??

Or if you're not, wouldn't you see a lot of gun rights activists as being against that kind of thing??

I support them. We rely on these kinds of technological advances to increase safety in every other aspect of our lives, applying them to firearms is common sense.

No one should be able to fire your gun without your presence. If someone takes your gun it should be traceable. Bullets fired from guns should be traceable to the gun they were fired from.

I'm sure as with all other proposed firearm measures folks will imply they will be taken advantage of a hypothetical nefarious government at war with it's citizens but unfortunately for them the general public seems far more concerned with their peers murdering them than the government plotting to disarm them and imprison them or whatever.

 

[terrapin]

I support them. We rely on these kinds of technological advances to increase safety in every other aspect of our lives, applying them to firearms is common sense.

No one should be able to fire your gun without your presence. If someone takes your gun it should be traceable. Bullets fired from guns should be traceable to the gun they were fired from.

I'm sure as with all other proposed firearm measures folks will imply they will be taken advantage of a hypothetical nefarious government at war with it's citizens but unfortunately for them the general public seems far more concerned with their peers murdering them than the government plotting to disarm them and imprison them or whatever.

Yes I had you confused with a gun rights propponent, not an opponent.

I will gladly support every measure I listed and even the ones you talk about except I wouldn't support tracers on guns because that's the same as every person having a tracker on themselves which I don't want. That would give too much power to a government that could become oppressive and effectively make all the guns useless which i think is one of the main arguments for why we should have the right to carry guns.

 

[Gutter Chris]

I support them. We rely on these kinds of technological advances to increase safety in every other aspect of our lives, applying them to firearms is common sense.

No one should be able to fire your gun without your presence. If someone takes your gun it should be traceable. Bullets fired from guns should be traceable to the gun they were fired from.

I'm sure as with all other proposed firearm measures folks will imply they will be taken advantage of a hypothetical nefarious government at war with it's citizens but unfortunately for them the general public seems far more concerned with their peers murdering them than the government plotting to disarm them and imprison them or whatever.

Adding a bunch of electronics to your firearm sounds like a good way for your weapon to fail when you need it most. I don't want a smart gun at all.

 

[shockaholic12]

Yes I had you confused with a gun rights propponent, not an opponent.

I will gladly support every measure I listed and even the ones you talk about except I wouldn't support tracers on guns because that's the same as every person having a tracker on themselves which I don't want. That would give too much power to a government that could become oppressive and effectively make all the guns useless which i think is one of the main arguments for why we should have the right to carry guns.

Perhaps it is a similar the approach taken to how gps in cars is used in court.

The government can mandate manufacturers include system to track the gun's movement but the government is not actually tracking you in real time.

Not until you have to report your gun leaving your possession (stolen or lost) must you report it for tracking or it is found to have been present at a crime scene then the government can demand to see it's tracking history.